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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:43 PM
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Gwen Ifill caved.
The McCain camp's whining worked once again. Ifill did not ask a single follow-up question or even attempt to make Palin ANSWER THE QUESTION that was originally asked.

I like Gwen Ifill but it was clear that she was trying so hard to avoid the cries of bias that she simply didn't do her job. There might as well not have even been a moderator. Palin was allowed to discuss any subject she wanted. She was allowed to completely ignore the questions. What a confusing, sham of a debate.

I'm so sick of the media caving into McCain's whining.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:44 PM
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1. Yep - she was afraid to do her job. The whackjob dismissed her and the rules.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:44 PM
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2. if its clear
and the polls show that it was, and you say it was, then what worked exactly?

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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:45 PM
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3. huh? She didn't favor either side
Isn't that what she was supposed to do?
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:47 PM
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9. I think she was impartial and did a good job.
:shrug:
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:08 AM
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27. Impartial was good. Letting Sarah off the hook for not answering questions..
I think that is what the big deal is about.

What I am worried about is who broke her leg and did they make her give the questions out in advance?

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:15 AM
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30. Pffff
The moderator's there to moderate, not interrogate. as for you thing about breaking her leg, give me a damn break.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:59 PM
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39. Look, we know mcsame got the questions in advance once...
We know these people do the same thing over and over again especially if it works.

I'm not accusing. I'm just saying it's a worry.




Redirecting someone to answer the question that has been asked is not interrogation. I mean supposedly Sarah came to the debate knowing there would be questions to answer. Answering those questions is part of participating in the debate.

I didn't say Gwen should have gotten two cops a heat lamp and a hungry grizzly bear to MAKE her answer the questions, I just think pointing it out it reminds the audience the question was not answered and in some debate circles that's part of evaluating the debate.

Least where I come from it is.




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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:45 PM
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4. They always give in to the Gop.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:46 PM
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5. Yes. she was aw-ifill
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:46 PM
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6. I think Ifill didn't need to do much.
It was clear she wasn't answering the questions and the media is harping on it all over the place. I think the theme tonight was allowing Sarah Palin the rope to hang her self. Or the rope to allow the American people to hang her. It worked. Do you see anybody actually jumping to vote for John McCain because of tonight's debate? Only the deluded. lol
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:46 PM
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7. Worst debate moderator since Gibson/Snuffaluffagus.
I expected someone to hold a mirror under her nose.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:48 PM
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10. Oh come on! That's really pushing it.
The Gibson/Steph debate was pure gotcha moderating. In fact, I wouldn't even call that moderating. I think Ifill did a fine job of implying that Palin wasn't answering her questions. And the media isn't missing it.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:47 PM
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8. I noticed this too--She wouldn't give Biden to respond.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:48 PM
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I'm glad the bias issue is off the table. Let Failin have this mini-victory
at the end of the day, it changes nothing: She is still ignorant and unprepared.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:48 PM
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11. Gwen Ifill didn't have a choice. She did what she had to - nothing else would have help us anyway.
Face it, our M$M is controlled by 'a few" men who are a LARGE CONGLOMERATE and very pro- GOP (at least for the Executive Branch).

Gwen did what she had to do. I don't blame her.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:49 PM
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12. Sadly, I kind of agree
We had wondered if her softballs and lack of follow up had anything to do with the charges levelled by the McCain camp before the debate regarding Gwen's upcoming book.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:49 PM
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13. I was seriously disappointed in the lack of follow-up questions...
If you're not going to insist your questions be answered, what's the point in asking them?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:51 PM
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14. her questions were so weak
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:52 PM
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15. It wouldn't have worked anyway
Palin would have flat out refused to answer the question and gotten "points" for being a "maverick".
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:05 AM
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25. Who is giving her "points"
Seriously, where were all DUers tonight?

The polls from CNN and CBS both say that Biden won the night.

Were you watching the little monitor thing at the bottom of CNN.

Every time she went off on one of her off question diatribes, the meter dropped.

Jeebus! Even Tweety was going after her tonight.

Maybe everyone was just in a rush to get to the keyboards.

At best, this was tie, which does NOTHING for McCain.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:54 PM
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16. I don't think so.
The format really only allows for the moderator to ask the question. And by allowing Palin to continually blather on about different topics enitirely, she gave her enough rope to hang herself. Clearly the public saw it that way, even if the media are bending over backward to say otherwise.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:54 PM
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17. Yep. She's a wuss.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:56 PM
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18. Study what she did with her journalism before the Iraq War started and 9-11
And her follow ups on the Iraqi War.

She was never that DEEP ever.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:02 AM
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23. Did you drink too much wine tonight
because for the life of me I cannot understand this post.

Is it in reference to Palin or Ifill.

Please explain.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:13 AM
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28. Ifill........ do a search on her history...... and your innuendo reflects your bullshit
We knew it was crap...... rvablue........ did you?

Now..... lets play a game.......
How stupid do you think you are?

I'm ready to play your insulting games.

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:58 PM
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19. Well she did ask the Cheney question which clearly tripped up Sarah.
And Biden hit it out of the park. And no one can say it wasn't a fair question but she probably knew that would happen.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:01 AM
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20. Gwen Ifill: "MAILED IT!!"
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:01 AM
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21. Bullshit. Ifill ran the debate ACCORDING TO THE RULES. DU'ers as usual ignore reality
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:15 AM
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33. Seconded, big time.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:01 AM
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22. No surprise there...she's a good little MSM soldier
Devoid of spirit. I find her rather sad, actually.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:06 AM
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26. For such a 'great' journalist' ......... follow her path to the war
She did nothing........... and totally lacking in substance.

I like her better than Charlie though
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:16 AM
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34. Yeah, me too...but she is totally cowed by the establishment
She doesn't cross over into outright antagonism toward progressives like Capital Gains Gibson, though.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:02 AM
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24. Really? I though Ifill was perfect in that
she let, as they say, "Sarah be Sarah." I heard her many times ask Biden for a response and that's when he gave his best liners, such as "Past is Prologue," "Maverick, he is not." Palin discussing anything she wants is just a continuation of her dumb ass interviews. I mean, even though she strung the sentences together it was still, what the hell is she talking about?
From what I understand a debate means getting to the truth of the matter and Sarah was the confusing, sham of a debater. Not the debate or the moderator, in my opinion.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:14 AM
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29. No, I'm happy with that
Notice for example how Palin kept coming back to energy. It doesn't bother me at all that Ifill didn't call her on this - instead the audience realized for themselves that she didn't have answers for a lot of the issues and just kept trying to steer the discussion back to territory where she was comfortable...although there were some follow-ups like 'OK...but what about the question I asked? More near the start of the deabte.

I thought Ifill was terrific, and the complaints here on DU are ridiculous. It's Biden's job to hit the opposing candidate, and he did fine at that.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:30 AM
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36. Thank you! I don't know exactly what they were expecting here.
IT's not like she was bending over backward to kiss Palin's ass. And Biden didn't NEED any help. She was an impartial moderator who did a fine job. I guess the "gotcha" thing is okay if it's used against Republicans. Never do people think that if we give the greenlight to do that kind of shit to them, then they have that same greenlight to do it to us.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:15 AM
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31. I thought this initially as well, but in my view the format was the real enemy
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:15 AM
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32. i totally agree with the original post. gwen caved. SOFTBALL CITY n/m
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:22 AM
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35. I think Gwen Ifill in years past was one of the best debate moderators.
But she really fell down on this debate. She never held Palin accountable when Palin repeatedly didn't answer the questions.

Folks, this is the only time we get to hear our vice presidential candidates be confronted on the issues and the moderator was not present in my mind.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:39 AM
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37. ifill was awful. nt
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AnnetteFun Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:40 AM
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38. What's the point of a debate moderator then?
I'm serious. Is the moderator just there to ask questions and then just allow the debaters to ignore the topic and go off on his/her own talking point? For example, ask a question about bankruptcy laws, get an answer about energy. The moderator can't do anything about that? Really, the questions were softball and there was no follow-up whatsoever. Seems pointless to even have a moderator, if that's his/her role.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:02 PM
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40. She wasn't moderating, she was babysitting (must have been chatting on the phone for most of it) n/t
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 07:02 PM by frickaline
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