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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:21 AM
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WSJ: Bill v. Barack on Banks (arrrrrrrrgh!)
Ugh!

Bill v. Barack on Banks

Clinton instructs Obama on finance and Phil Gramm.

A running cliché of the political left and the press corps these days is that our current financial problems all flow from Congress's 1999 decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 that separated commercial and investment banking. Barack Obama has been selling this line every day. Bill Clinton signed that "deregulation" bill into law, and he knows better.

In BusinessWeek.com, Maria Bartiromo reports that she asked the former President last week whether he regretted signing that legislation. Mr. Clinton's reply: "No, because it wasn't a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter.

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Mr. Clinton: "Not on this bill I don't think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can't possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence.

"But I can't blame (the Republicans). This wasn't something they forced me into. I really believed that given the level of oversight of banks and their ability to have more patient capital, if you made it possible for (commercial banks) to go into the investment banking business as Continental European investment banks could always do, that it might give us a more stable source of long-term investment."

We agree that Mr. Clinton isn't wrong about everything. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed the Senate on a 90-8 vote, including 38 Democrats and such notable Obama supporters as Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dick Durbin, Tom Daschle -- oh, and Joe Biden. Mr. Schumer was especially fulsome in his endorsement.

(emphasis added)


Two of Mr. Obama’s chief advisers for his speech served under President Clinton: Joseph E. Stiglitz was chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, and Robert B. Reich was secretary of labor.

Mr. Obama said the housing slump was a result of another of the bubbles that have distorted the economy in the past decade. Few doubted, he noted, that the nation needed to reform the 1930s-era law — the Glass-Steagall Act — that had erected a wall between commercial and investment banks. But, as Mr. Obama’s aides noted, the banking and insurance industries spent more than $300 million on a successful effort to repeal that act in 1999.

The resulting changes, Mr. Obama said, granted far greater freedom to investment houses without modernizing the regulatory regime and demanding transparency. The same pattern played out in regulation of home mortgages to bad effect, he said.

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What utter distortion, they're using the Conference Report vote, which McCain missed, instead of the actual vote on the bill: On Passage of the Bill (S.900 as amended)

It's easy to understand how a Conference Report is agreed to by the full Senate. The Republicans had 54 votes. The bill passes anyway. Bill Clinton wasn't going to veto it. With that hand, the Republicans could have easily negotiated a deal to allow the CRA and other provisions (forms of protection) in exchange for votes. Otherwise those protections would not have been in place. Bush further weakened the CRA provisions in 2005.

Obama vs. McCain on Gramm-Leach-Bliley

"The Glass-Steagall wall was devised to prevent a repeat of the 1920s' scams"

Economists: Gramm To Blame For The Current Crisis

John McCain's Gramm Gamble

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:29 AM
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1. This is not helpful as Democrats are trying to propose solutions to the GOP-created mess.
Arrrrrrgh!



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:40 AM
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2. No comment?
Why is Bill giving interviews to prop up, of all people, Phil "Enron" Gramm?

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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:41 AM
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4. He's not quite done crapping on Obama's campaign
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:42 PM
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24. I don't know if he's doing it intentionally or
if he really shares the Republicans' passion for deregulation.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:11 PM
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26. I'm at a loss of words and not exactly feeling all that comfortable with such an aknowledgement...
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:40 AM
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3. Hillary needs to bring out the pain train and throw Bill under the bus
Maybe then he'll get the picture. Everybody knows that market deregulation caused this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:58 AM
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5. Exactly. n/t
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NoStinkinBadges Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 03:13 PM
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18. WTF Bill
Some have said that Bill wants Obama to lose so Hillary can run in 2012. That would explain his behavior in the last month. Now he's even throwing the rest of the party under the bus. Hillary needs to buy Bill a muzzle.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:12 AM
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6. This is as stupid by Clinton as Gramm's whining comment.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 10:14 AM by Waiting For Everyman
They should've both known when to keep quiet on this subject.

If he wants credit for it, fine. It IS the reason this happened, and if he still doesn't understand that, I'd be happy to stop by and explain it for him. Good grief! There's mounds of proof on that, starting with Arthur Levitt's hearing testimony before it was passed... Enron's rolling blackouts in California a month later... in a continuous parade right up until today. Everybody gets it but him. We have a derivatives problem wrapped around this world several times over, thanks to him and Gramm. Up until now, I was giving him partial credit on that as being unaware, but hey, whatever he says.

If he wants to be in the villain's hall of fame with Gramm, so be it. That doesn't make what he did ANY more right. He screwed up the global trade problem here mightily too. His work on the deficit was impressive but that's about it.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:57 PM
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17. Exactly.
Obama and the Dems are criticizing deregulation and Gramm's involvement while Bill is siding with them.

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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:14 AM
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7. I think I've run out of any more "benefit of the doubt" in regards to Bill Clinton
and his comments about Obama since the primary season came to a close. Somebody desperately needs to keep him away from microphones and reporters.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:14 AM
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8. Bill Clinton's chief legacy is that he was a superbly skilled politician
at a time when our challenges were comparatively minimal. Unfortunately for Bill, that doesn't mean whoop anymore.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:09 PM
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25. That's your opinion. To me his chief legacy is that he was hands down the best president of the last
forty years.

Steve
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 12:16 AM
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28. Nixon, Reagan, the two Bushes...not saying much
We agree, though.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:22 AM
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9. Bill has the same issue as the NAACP and Jesse Jackson, in THIS generation they're not as relavent
...and they don't like that at all.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:25 AM
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10. Bill's playing "COVER YOUR ASS" with his legacy of lapdogging Republicans measures
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 10:25 AM by TornadoTN
Why is this surprising anymore? Clinton is having to fight battles on two fronts - one, protecting his own legacy as he grows increasingly irrelevant and two, prime Hillary for 2012 as the "FDR" candidate. (Even though Hillary is admirable fighting for Obama)

He's become a joke to just about everyone now that he's thrown his own party under the bus so he can stay on board with the DLC.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:28 AM
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11. How bad is it when the right wing WSJ has to use Bill Clinton
against Obama? Have the Republican leaders lost so much credibility that Bill Clinton is now their hero?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:24 AM
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12. It's bad, but
how does that excuse Clinton from propping up Phil Gramm?

He's giving the RW ammunition to debunk the Democrats' (and rational people's) argument:

NewsMax: Clinton: Deregulation Not to Blame for Crisis


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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:26 AM
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13. Bill Clinton still trying to save his legacy of deregulation.
Figures. I don't understand why more people don't get what a creep this guy truly is.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:53 AM
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14. He did a good job for Obama today,
that makes his counter message on the economy okay, I guess.



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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:01 PM
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15. I mentioned this earlier, but it's like some of us have battered wife syndrome.
And I think he knows it. All trespasses are suddenly forgiven because he delivers a decent stump speech. I see the political motivations here. I think he finally knows that McCain is going to lose this thing no matter what he says, so now he's finally getting on the bandwagon.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:06 PM
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16. Exactly.
I put no stock in Clinton's praise when he's undermining the message at the same time.

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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:15 PM
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27. Nobody asked for "forgiveness." The notion that the Clintons require it was publically
ridiculed at the Democratic Convention when they were both treated like superstars who our party was lucky to have. And they never said a single word about looking for "redemption."

One of the main reasons why Obama is doing so well is because of everything Hillary has done for him.

Steve
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 03:47 PM
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19. Terrible n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 06:42 PM
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20. Actually, maybe Bill and the Republicans are right: more deregulation is what's needed.
:sarcasm:

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 06:44 PM
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21. Hillary + Bill = Plausible Deniability for Hillary 2012
They prove me right every day.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 06:49 PM
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22. Clinton thought that the greedy people would be principled? I never knew he was that naive.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 06:51 PM by BrklynLiberal
"if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence."

Is today's economy enough evidence???
:crazy:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:06 PM
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23. This is pretty
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