Wes Clark coming up on "Scarborough Country" on MSNBC - Heads Up!

[VolcanoJen]

It's 2:54 pm edt right now... Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough just said Wes Clark is coming up on his program, after the break.

This oughta be good. :D

[Claire Beth]

1. Keep me posted....

on what is said... I don't have access to a TV right now!

[rsmith6621]

2. Watch

I hope Clarke tears Scarry a new As$hole I have been feeling ill all morning........I think I have a case of the MSNBC rightwing FLU



Where are the real Liberal Networks at these days.....France????

[Cush]

3. kick

[quinnox]

4. On now!

Scarcrap is talking, don't see Clark yet.

[VolcanoJen]

5. Just a few more minutes till WES!

[annabanana]

14. I LOVE my dear General Clark!!

What a man!!

[incapsulated]

68. ooo, nice pic!

*steals it*

:D

[VolcanoJen]

6. Wes Clark on RIGHT NOW!

I've got the Tivo fired up, and will report as necessary!

[quinnox]

7. O'Donnell on gushing about Bush

Saying Bush people said it will be 43 minutes of "sheer wisdom"

[Texas_Dem]

8. wow..

where was this so called "wisdom" the past four years?

[Richardo]

10. He's been *saving* it all for 43 minutes tonight!

Genius! :eyes:

[BootinUp]

9. Stop! LOL! I can't take this spinning anymore

my head is about to spin into another dimension.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. If so

:eyes: that will be a first.

[quinnox]

11. Clark: Zell's speech "hateful and nasty"

" this kind of rhetoric doesn't belong in American politics"

[lukasahero]

Help for the cube rat needed!

LOVE WES! GO WES!

Now, can you tell us what else he said? :) PLEEEASE?

[cally]

12. Wow...I love Wes

He's awesome. 'Bush is trying to take credit for the wrong decisions." That's not an exact quote but that was his idea.

[Kahuna]

13. Poor Joe. He should have never given the platform to Wes. Wes

is on a roll.

[restorefreedom]

15. ooops just started another thread on Wes

sorry!

But Wes just said Miller's rant was a "gross distortion" of Kerry's record.

He's got some good stuff on shrub, too

[laruemtt]

16. at the risk of being flamed,

why in the name of god or whatever did we let him slip away as our nominee? just plain sh*t!

[faithfulcitizen]

25. I ask myself that everyday...

now we can be flamed together. :pals:

[quinnox]

17. Great ! Clark: "we are speaking out for the servicemen"

"We are speaking out because we are patriotic and Bush is making wrong choices for America"

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. Where the Republicans are strident and angry psychopaths

Wesley Clark is the strong, steady and calm voice of reason. And oh what reason he communicates in just a few words.

[VolcanoJen]

19. RUNNING TRANSCRIPT HERE:

Thanks, Tivo!

Joe Scarborough: I'm curious, what did you think of Zell Miller's speech last night?

Wes Clark: Well, I thought it was a gross distortion of John Kerry's record, and a lot of hateful and nasty things said which really do not belong in American politics.

Joe: General, you should talk to Zell Miller about smiling through his message, as you do! What Zell said last night is that his party, the Democrats, left him and other conservatives. I take it you disagree with that.

Wes: I just joined the Democratic Party. For the last year or so, I find it to be a very middle of the road group of people who are very pragmatic about facing the issues. Let's take a look at some of the things he said that were just wrong. Zell believes, and said, that the critics of the president are only motivated by partisan advantage. I mean, nothing could be more unfair to the men and women across this country than to slander people who have real concerns about the strategic wisdom of the president's course of action. Many of my retired officers, friends, former generals, agree with me that going to Iraq had nothing to do with winning the war on terror. In fact, going to Iraq made winning the war on terror much more difficult. As I listened to three days of the convention, really Joe, all of the rhetoric about George W Bush comes down to one fact: after 9/11, he led the nation into war with Iraq. He did it despite the evidence, against the advice of a lot of regional experts, and it has no connection with the war on terror. Now, he wants credit for stubbornly staying the course in Iraq! Yeh, we're there, and we're gonna have to succeed. But the American people should know that what he's trying to take credit for is bad judgement. Almost 1,000 dead, 200 billion dollars, and it hasn't brought us closer to victory against the people who struck this country on 9/11. It's been a diversion, and a distraction.

Joe:(after showing a part of Zellout's speech) A lot of people agree with Zell Miller that when you have politicians attacking our troops - not our troops, that's wrong - but attacking our war efforts, that somehow, that's disloyal. Do you believe that politics ends at water's edge, and can you balance that with questioning a war when it may be going in the wrong direction? (he was speaking of Vietnam here)

Wes: Politics does end at water's edge, you won't see a lot of people running for office going over campaigning in Europe or Asia and attacking our country. But, when the President takes the country to war, it becomes a political issue. He has to be judged as Commander in Chief, we have a right to question his judgement. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with the men and women in uniform. Look, John Kerry was there! By the way, George Bush and Dick Cheney weren't. I was there in Vietnam! A lot of Democrats have served in uniform, I'll bet there's as many Democrats who have served as Republicans. We support our troops. We love them! I do. My heart is there with them, that's why I spoke out against his decision to take this country to war in Iraq. It was bad judgement. That's the only significant accomplishment this president can claim, Joe! He hasn't brought jobs to America, he hasn't improved health care. The number of those without health insurance has gone up. There's nothing really that the president can say he's accomplished in four years other than taking us to war with Iraq, and that was a mistake! It has nothing to do with partisan politics, it has everything to do with people like me who wore the uniform and now say, 'Whoa! you're going the wrong way!' What I learned about Vietnam is that a lot of people spoke out when they got home, but they weren't the right people. The retired generals who should have spoken out then, didn't. We're speaking out now because we want to save this country from this kind of continuous mistake we see unfolding in Iraq. God knows what will happen if Bush is re-elected. That's why we're speaking out, because we are patriotic, we are loyal, and we're speaking out on behalf of the men and women over there.

Joe: (after showing Cheney saying Bush will never seek a permission slip to defend America) Popular line last night, General. Respond.

Wes: It's just the same old... it's an applause line that always excites Republican audiences. It's a distortion of everything John Kerry said. I think you were at the DNC, Joe, I don't remember talking to you there, but John Kerry said he'll never hesitate to defend this country, he won't hesitate to use force when it makes sense! But striking Iraq was not a blow against terrorists. It's debatable, whether it's made America any stronger. It's certainly bogged down our armed forces over there. But John Kerry and all the Democrats have always said that we will operate multilaterally if we can, and unilaterally if we must. That's the rule. That's all we've said, that's consistent, we've said that since the end of the Cold War. I was writing some of those policies while in the military, and they were all approved by the civilians over across the river. So, I don't think there's any difference there. This is just a Republican applause line, and I hope the American people can see past that. We've got a real choice in this election, Joe. We can go ahead as a country and reelect George Bush, we'll get more of the same failed policies. Or, we can put America back on the right track with an administration that cares about ordinary people, that works to create American jobs, that gives tax cuts for ordinary Americans, not just wealthy ones, that really does fix health care. And that also keeps this country safe, strong, and restores respect for America in the world. Those are the choices, and that's what America has to decide in the next 60 days.

Joe: General Wesley Clark, I want to thank you personally again, for adding your important voice to this debate.

END (whew, my fingers are achin'... and my oh my, did the General ever look better, or sexier?)

[Claire Beth]

22. GO WES GO!!! n/t

[lukasahero]

23. Damn how I love this man!

GO WES!!!

PS - Thanks for the transcript!

[hlthe2b]

27. Thanks, VolcanoJen.... so very much!

[Connie_Corleone]

28. Thanks for the transcript!

[flpoljunkie]

31. Wow! Thanks, Jen! Wes Clark, our hero, really hit the nail on the head!

Wes: "In fact, going to Iraq had nothing to do with winning the war on terror. In fact, going to Iraq made winning the war on terror much more difficult."

This needs to be repeated over and over again! It is the heart of what is wrong with Dubya's failed presidency--along with ill-conceived tax cuts targeted to the uber rich!

[hlthe2b]

Glad you must have taken typing in school! LOL

Which I grudgingly have to admit was one of the most useful classes I ever took!

[VolcanoJen]

48. Hey everyone... I forgot to mention one very, very important thing:

I don't think Wes Clark has ever looked more confident, more sexy.

Purrrrr!!!!!

You're welcome for the transcript, and yeh, I took typing in school, and I actually enjoy typing very much, because I'm fast, and I'm really weird. :+

[hlthe2b]

50. "I don't think Wes Clark has ever looked more confident, more sexy."

Don't you know it.... I'm sure his wife is a sweetie and a beautiful person, alas, but..... (well, a girl can dream, right?)

[lukasahero]

53. Darn

"I don't think Wes Clark has ever looked more confident, more sexy."

Now that's something we cubies can't enjoy by reading your transcript. ;)

Thanks again. After the Repukefest, I needed this.

[Snellius]

37. The General's right on target

Bush's weak point has always been what he thinks is his strength.

[hippiegranny]

71. typical repub strategy

take your most obvious failing and spin it to look like gold.

[lunarboy13]

44. Thanks for the transcript!

:hi:

[democrat_patriot]

60. Thanks VolcanoJen!!

I'm a west coaster stuck in the office!

[VolcanoJen]

61. It is my distinct pleasure to spread the good news of Wes Clark...

... far and wide!

:D

[Tatiana]

74. THANK YOU VolcanoJen!!!!!

Wow. That was simply amazing. It's almost with a bit of nostalgia that I read that transcript. It's too bad that he couldn't be saying these exact things as the Democratic nominee. Oh well...

P.S. Yes, I do believe the man is getting even more sexy!

[Julien Sorel]

75. You typed that while listening?

Impressive!

And thanks.

[Protected]

20. Ahhh, that was great!

:bounce:

[loudsue]

21. WOW!!! Wes kicked ass, yet again!!

:loveya: SWEET!!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Wind Dancer]

24. I love Wes Clark!

We need him speaking constantly!

[KittyWampus]

26. Clark-During VietNam The Retired OFFICERS SHOULD'VE PROTESTED!

Joe asks about speaking out against actions in Iraq and VietNam demoralizing soldiers.

Clark said that during Viet Nam it as the wrong people speaking out.

Should've been retired officers and generals... sticking up for the troops fighting.

He kept emphasising the retired officers and generals who are NOW against Bush's Iraq strategy.

[cally]

That part made me get teary eyed

Yes the retired-Generals should have spoken out but they didn't. The new generation is willing to stand up for democracy and I love them for it. Wes and the other Generals have changed my view of the military.

[KittyWampus]

40. Exactly, The Seniors Left It To Guys Like Kerry To Speak Up

and didn't back them up...

and Clark helped change my view of the military.

I had some preconcieved notions of what a general does and doesn't do.

[KittyWampus]

47. Here's That Wes Quote (Thanks VJ)

"What I learned about Vietnam is that a lot of people spoke out when they got home, but they weren't the right people. The retired generals who should have spoken out then, didn't. We're speaking out now because we want tosave this country from this kind of continuous mistake we see unfolding in Iraq. God knows what will happen if Bush is re-elected. That's why we're speaking out, because we are patriotic, we are loyal, and we're speaking out on behalf of the men and women over there."

[VolcanoJen]

54. That was truly the most important thing he said.

It's a crucial point that should be made again, and again.

We should be so proud of General Clark, and all the other former military commanders who have chosen to speak out against the Bush Junta. I've never been more proud of our military heroes. :-)

[kentuck]

29. why did he let the General talk without interrupting ??

What's going on??

[hlthe2b]

32. Is Wes there in person (in NY?)

[annabanana]

34. no...not sure where he was talking from

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. He was in Little Rock

[lukasahero]

33. RESPECT

They don't cover him much, but whenever anyone from the major media talks to the General, they seldom interupt him. They're as in awe of him as we are. :)

[Leilani]

39. Scarborough is an ass

but he respects Wes, because he is a career military man. He never argues with him.

If you notice, most of the people at FOX are very deferential, also.

Go WES!!!

[hlthe2b]

51. Yes, but if you recall Wes gave Faux the smack down during the primaries

It was a big deal and I think they learned their manners, at least with him.

[Leilani]

58. Exactly, the few who tried taking on Wes

quickly learned, be careful.

But, on the larger picture, you can see many pundits treat Wes as a
4 Star General, & SACEUR, rather than a pol.

[Jai4WKC08]

59. Blitzer and Woodruff try to interupt him all the time

He's gotten pretty good at talking over them. Lin (is that her name? ...something like that) actualy cut his mike once on an Anderson Cooper special. CNN likes to have him on (he'll be on Blitzer this afternoon), but they don't usually treat him well, altho Blitzer has gotten better. Aaron Brown is the exception--he has ALWAYS treated Clark with respect. Even deference. But he hasn't had him on his show recently for some reason.

MNBC gets mixed reviews from me. Scarborough has pretty much always treated Clark with respect, even when he voices strong disagreement with what he says (which I have heard him do). Tweety is polite to his face, but has said some ugly things about him personally when he's not around to defend himself. Norville has been ok.

As for Fox, they've been pretty descent since he dropped his own campaign, but back then they used to wait until after an interview and then dis him bad. Just like Tweety. All too gutless to say anything to his face. The one Fox asshole who tried (Asman?) he drop-kicked.

[Leilani]

69. Well, everything is relative...

I agree, many of the pundits are assholes, & interrupt, etc.

But some of them, you can tell, they treat him differently than they do regular pols.

Tweety, is like the weather...wait a while, & it will change.

Whe he did his Hardball College Tour at Harvard, he told Wes the room was more electric, than for any other candidate.

Aaron Brown, a serious journalist, probably knows Wes better than any other TV person. They spent countless hours together during the war.
And you can tell he LIKES & respects him.

[iwantmycountryback]

30. He did great-which is status quo for him

Basically seemed like he was laughing at Zell's speech. Most people with some thread of intelligence should be doing the same.

[KittyWampus]

35. VolcanoJen-Could You Tivo Where Clark Spoke About Retired Generals

who SHOULD have spoke out during Viet Nam?

It was towards the end.

[VolcanoJen]

38. Hi sweetie! I'm still typing it up... keep checking above for edits!

:D

[Leilani]

41. Jen, thanks so much!

I needed that lift.

A Wes FIX!

[wwbarnes]

42. Wes Clark Should Go After Bush's AWOL Record

He's the right person to do it, and for all we know Clark has the right friends in the right places to dig up whatever missing forms need to be dug up.

[Jai4WKC08]

63. If it weren't for Wes Clark...

...and Michael Moore's endorsement (not to mention Clark's refusal to denounce it) Bush's AWOL might still be ignored completely. I sure haven't seen the Kerry campaign doing all they can to exploit it. Not taking it front-on anyway. They have let Clark and others ask the question for them. Clark mentioned it again as recently as his press conference out of DC with Turner and some of the "band of brothers" just a couple weeks ago. But the Kerry campaign was quick to distance themselves from that specific remark. Well, whatever works. I'd like to see 'em go for the juggle more directly, but I am willing to admit Kerry has won more elections than I have, and winning is all I want out of him at this point.

[DemExpat]

43. Thank GOD for Wes' voice in the desert......

We NEED him so bad at this time.

Thanks, Jen for posting this.

:hi:

DemEx

[VolcanoJen]

52. Isn't he just amazing? He shocks-and-awes even the Repuke commentators!

It's so enjoyable to me the way they just let him talk and talk and talk, even though they're war-loving flag-waving apologists.

They're in awe of him, they're blown away by his charm, and they respect him.

Wes Clark for Secretary of State! Wes Clark for National Security Advisor!!

[VolcanoJen]

45. OK! Post #19 (the transcript) is finished.

Happy reading, cube rats! Who loves ya?

:loveya:

- Jennifer

[lukasahero]

49. No - we love YOU, baby!!

Oh, and the General too!

THANKS!

[henslee]

57. thanx.

[Lefta Dissenter]

64. No, not finished

until you provide a picture! :loveya:

Jeez, I miss that man... :cry:

[VolcanoJen]

65. I'm so sorry!

Wish I had a picture too... and, at the risk of sounding like a Bush Twin... SLURP!!! :D

[Kat45]

55. Thanks for this. Sounds like he was great, as always. Don't you love

the way he can deliver a blow so calmly and matter-of-fact-ly. This "by the way" was great:

"Look, John Kerry was there! By the way, George Bush and Dick Cheney weren't."

And I'll bet he had a smile on his face as he said it. :-)

[VolcanoJen]

56. You're right about that smile part!

:D

The General's smile is very effective at disarming his opponents. Another great job from Wes!!

[democratreformed]

62. What to say???

Wes Clark is THE MAN! I am so extremely proud of him. I am so greatful to have been a part of the movement to draft him. I am so sad that our efforts did not succeed. I am so happy that he is continuing the fight for us.

[FrenchieCat]

66. ALSO Wes will be on

CNN on Wolf Blitzer at 5:30 p.m. (ET) today.

[VolcanoJen]

67. Thanks Frenchie!!!

I'll be watching!

[renotyme]

70. i think we found us a secretary of defense

and he's good on offense too!

[incapsulated]

72. Wes on CNN, Wolf the shithead!

ONCE AGAIN, trying to interupt him constantly, cutting the interview short.

Motherfucker.

[grannyfran]

73. I just love that man!

Nobody can cut through the crap quicker.