RNC Stage - Twin Towers beneath Christian Crosses

[Stephanie]

Sorry the image is so big, it's from the RNC. But I didn't notice the iconography until last night. Those two stands in the foreground represent the WTC. The podium and the side table show large crosses hovering above the towers. It's disgusting and offensive and the GOP should be ashamed.

[soothsayer]

1. they are so creepy n/t

[Stephanie]

3. I'm looking for a better picture

The one on the front page of the NY Times shows it perfectly. In this one the Twin Towers are a little dark.

They boasted beforehand that they would use subliminal imagery, including sky scrapers to evoke "New York." Well it's not NY they want to evoke, but DEATH and TERROR.

[madrchsod]

2. change the flags

and you have a modern day nazi rally...dam these guys don`t miss a thing do they....

[Stephanie]

4. It's subliminable

Oh, by the way, they did NOT come to New York to exploit 9/11. It's just coincidental.

[jackstraw45]

5. Racist Zell would probably prefer this backdrop

[Old and In the Way]

18. Some creative person should paint in our flags over the swastika

and put the Stars and Bars armbands in this picture....retitle it, "Delegates from 2004 Republican Nazional Convention marching out of MSG"

[NYC Liberal]

37. Here you go:

[Old and In the Way]

38. Good stuff.

Scary stuff...but good.

[Stephanie]

6. They boast about their subliminal messaging:

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/campaignspecial/index.html

While the text of Mr. Bush's speech has been carefully assembled, so has every element of the set like the vibrant red carpet that will blanket the floor of the convention hall, the theater in the round and the lectern, which a convention organizer said had "a sort of skyscraper design" in recognition of being in New York.

These elements are not just about theatrics, though that, too, is part of the motivation, to cultivate interest and increase television ratings for the convention, which starts Monday and ends Thursday, the day Mr. Bush speaks. Campaign aides said the party was trying to send a message about the president, trying subconsciously to build on and reinforce ideas and themes of his campaign, and especially to emphasize the theme of strength.

It's not a lectern, it's a PULPIT. And SHAME on them for placing the Twin Towers on stage. SHAME SHAME SHAME.

[underpants]

7. The podium reminded me of that game -Jinga

All night as I watched that was all I could think of. A metaphor for the house of cards that they are.

[TheDonkey]

8. regardless of subliminal context it looks horrible and tacky

even Pier 1 would be embarassed to have that monstrocity in the store.

[truthspeaker]

9. and they wonder why they can't get more Jewish and Muslim votes

[michigandem2]

10. For some reason I can't see them..can you post again?

[Stephanie]

11. You can't see the picture?

Or you are not noticing the towers? The towers are reprensented by the smaller wooden boxes in the foreground that the teleprompter stands rise out of.

[Stephanie]

12. Another view of the them:

Most of the pictures online are cropped too high to reveal the towers. They are very visible on TV though.

[jackstraw45]

13. Bush gets TWIN TOWER Screens tonight (see with Statue of Liberty)

[Stephanie]

15. May they rot in hell for this

I can't tell you how sickened I am. This to me is almost worse than the overt exploitation by Giuliani and others on Death & Terror Night.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Is that the hydro stage ...

when Asshat will rise from the floor? :puke:

How cheezy is that shit?

[Stephanie]

21. No, that's the old stage

The new Bush stage is in another thread.

[hang a left]

14. It is surreal.

I don't think this is going to play out well with anyone other than free republic types. Really, I am starting to think that they are trying to lose this election. And while they are doing that, they are cementing the deep divisions amongst certain Americans. I have been played before, I know what it feels like.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. These "twin towers" are two teleprompters

The boxes hide the computer screens that are reflected in the angled plastic reader boards. You can't blame them for that - it's the only configuration that works for public speakers so they can look at the audience to the left and right and still read their speeches.

But the Christian cross symbolism is surely deliberate and the searchlights in the background remind one of a nation under seige.

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[Stephanie]

19. Please read the NY Times article posted above

And please look at the cover of the NY Times today - the front page photo of Cheney. This is a deliberate evocation of the tops of the Twin Towers. As an artist I'm surprised you don't see it. Look closely. This photo is not as good as the NY Times photo which shows them in better light. I'll look for a better picture.

[Cronus Protagonist]

34. I see what you mean

And as I pointed out, the monitors need to be there, in these positions, for the speeches to be read on the prompters, so although one could make the case that it's a twin tower thing, there really isn't any other way to do it. The monitors are large TV sets placed on their backs and one would have to put something there to cover them.

Plants could be used, I suppose, and therefore avoided the twin towers thing, but I pointed out that it was a stretch to claim these are there just for the twin towers "effect" when there is a practical purpose for them to be there.

Even some of the searchlight patterns on the back could be interpreted as 9/11 twin tower related since they did that anniversary thing with the two searchlights a while back.

I just think there's no need to go too far when there's so much else that obviously has no other purpose than propaganda.


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[Stephanie]

35. This is propaganda too, it's deliberate, they boast about it

And because it's subtle it needs to be brought to attention. I am outraged at the exploitation of 9/11. They need to be called on it. Just because the evocation is subtle doesn't mean we should ignore it. Yes, they may cover monitors. But if you look at the design they are specifically reminiscent of the WTC. Maybe that's not an outrage to you, but as a New Yorker I feel it is sacrilege. Especially because it is so sneaky and meant to evoke 9/11 on a subconscious level.

[Stephanie]

36. Here is the picture where I first noticed it

I can't find the actual image. This is the full NY Times front page. Sorry. But in this light you can see the design of the boxes. It replicates the towers.

I am trying to convince you because I know you are a talented artist and I think this is important. (I remember when we had the huge logos thread and you came up with "United Against the Bush Regime"). And because it SO OFFENDS me that they would do this.

Here is their boast about using subconscious imagery:

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/campaignspecial/index.html

While the text of Mr. Bush's speech has been carefully assembled, so has every element of the set like the vibrant red carpet that will blanket the floor of the convention hall, the theater in the round and the lectern, which a convention organizer said had "a sort of skyscraper design" in recognition of being in New York.

These elements are not just about theatrics, though that, too, is part of the motivation, to cultivate interest and increase television ratings for the convention, which starts Monday and ends Thursday, the day Mr. Bush speaks. Campaign aides said the party was trying to send a message about the president, trying subconsciously to build on and reinforce ideas and themes of his campaign, and especially to emphasize the theme of strength.

[RB TexLa]

17. It's almost as if South Park is parodying them

The fist few guys I saw speaking during the day, there for pictures of them "addressing the convention" for their campaigns, almost looked like South Park characters. Just picture South Park showing the GOP convention, round guys with the Southern Baptist preacher hair and decades old glasses.

[stevedeshazer]

22. That's incredible

I noticed the flags and the crosses last night, but not the tower imagery.

[Stephanie]

25. Me too

Didn't notice the towers until I saw the NY Times front page today. Most of the photos crop them out.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. I saw that too Stephanie

it's pretty absurd.

[Rockholm]

24. Those Blue Beams of Light Look the the WTC Memorial

2 years ago, when the WTC site was a memorial in light. Beams of light sent skyward. Oh, I certainly see those crosses there too. That, my friends, is NO accident.

[Stephanie]

26. Of course you're right

I noticed the beams but didn't put it together with the memorial.

SHAME!

[Stephanie]

27. Here is the beams of light memorial:

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[Stephanie]

31. Don't you tell ME what to do.

I have taken enough from you Death Worshippers. You have turned my city into an armed camp, you have exploited my neighbors who were murdered here, you have jailed my friends for your convenience, I'll be damned if I'll let you tell me what I can POST at DU.

If you're a Democrat I'm Barbara Bush.

[hang a left]

32. Ha ha

DOA

[Stephanie]

33. Did I SMITE him?

:evilgrin:

[Rockholm]

39. That was a good one.

I thought his post was quite snarky.

[Stephanie]

30. And here is Zell with the RNC beams of light

[Rockholm]

40. Beams of Bullshit.

It would be nice if they would get beamed back to whatever planet they are from.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

29. It's "GROUND ZERO" and little Georgie will rise out of the ground

a big zero