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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:06 AM
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Is McCain suffering from Alzheimers?
The only explanation I can think of for this is that McCain somehow confused Spanish prime minister Jose Zapatero with Emiliano Zapata, the Mexican revolutionary. Since Zapata died in 1919, this is not a very easy mistake to make.

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/is_mccain_suffering_from_alzhe.php
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:12 AM
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1. I don't think so.
This is a weak attack..........makes us look silly.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:14 AM
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3. Come on! He is out to lunch.
He is clearly confused much of the time, he is unfit for command.

He should take a teat and prove he has the mental faculties to lead.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:21 AM
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4. Weak I tell ya.........judgemental and stupid to put it plainly.
You need evidence to actually gain merit with this ridiculous claim.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:22 AM
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5. He gives use evidence everyday.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:28 AM
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8. No he does not..
I have 2 family members with Alzheimer's and he, McCain does not display such symptoms. Give it up.

My answer is NO. He was smart enough to slip in Palin and we never, ever saw it coming, so give it up.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:29 AM
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9. Palin was a smart choice! HAHA!
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 09:30 AM by tekisui
:rofl:
It was a forced choice. I don't know why you want to defend mcFeeble.

He is not clear minded. You cannot argue with that. The point is we don't know how bad off he is. He should be tested, if he is truly for "Country First".
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:47 AM
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13. You just like to be
silly don't you. We won't win by being aarogant and poorly prepared. Yes, Palin gave Mccain momentum and we didn't see it. Obama has been playing catch-up since then and it's scary.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:53 AM
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14. Palin gave mcPOW a bump. Not momentum.
He has been sinking since then. We are back to pre-Convention polling now.

Palin was his only choice. He had to get a "true conservative" because his base wasn't fully on board. All his pick did was steal the headlines for a week, and secure his base. It did nothing for Independents, moderates of Dems. If anything it is driving them away.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:56 AM
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15. WTF?
1. McCain is clearly exhibiting early, repeat: EARLY symptoms of some form of, shall we say, clouded thinking.

2. Palin was a DISASTROUS choice for him...shall we say: even if he were to win the election, which he won't...after 4 years of these two or Palin alone, there will not be a Republican Party left in America...Can you say: Whig?

3. A few of us saw it coming...it was clear that they were desperate and were going to throw the Hail Mary. They should have picked Romney, first as Prez nominee, then VP nominee. Epic Fail on both counts.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:00 AM
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17. Remote diagnoses aside, McCain is, at best, "inconsistent" in his
public remarks on key issues.

Some would say excessively flip-floppant. You could attribute that to his desperate position or the absence of an ethical center if you want.

Or to a dementia of unspecified type as a remote guess.

The Palin pick has become a bit of a nightmare for McCain, whether he made it himself or whether secret hands behind the curtains made the call.

Either way, it was a disastrous choice.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:05 AM
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19. nothing wrong with remote diagnoses well-founded...
we see enough of these people that they're transparent.

And the best part, we can afford to be wrong and have fun in the meantime. They pretend to be competent leaders, we can pretend to be competent psychologists.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:08 AM
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21. : ) There's an interesting (and growing) disconnect between McCain
and the MSM contacts who used to fawn over him. I've noticed it mostly since the Palin pick.

It makes me wonder if there is inside-the-Beltway gossip that the media is aware of but hasn't broken through on. Something flickering in the far margins with a strong effect on immediate coverage.

ABC ordinarily reflexively dishes GOP propaganda. They haven't been lately.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:33 AM
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25. I'm glad you posted this...
I'll talk to you, since no one else seems to be interested.

When McCain's campaign was faltering and dwindling down to zero some months ago, lots of roundtable-type journalists were alluding to his health. Statements such as, "with rumors about his health swirling..." and "people say that maybe he's unwell, but this is not the time..." were prevalent. Some thought these were excuses for his failure, I felt that they were surreptitiously telling what they knew to be the truth.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:37 AM
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26. Good ear. I don't remember that period of time in the health-related
specifics, and am still a little surprised that McCain survived the GOp primaries.

He ran a lackluster campaign. Luckily for him Romney burned out, Huck never reached full altitude, and Giuliani was a disaster.

So he GOP is stuck with McCain.

If there is a health-related headline with McCain, it may not stay a secret through the election. And if a dementia of some sort is involved, the Palin choice is something of a death wish.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:39 AM
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28. Sorry, but you're completely cracked if you think McCain had anything to do with Palin's selection..
and even more cracked if you think choosing her was smart.

McCain wanted either Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge. He was overruled. And we see how good an idea that was' Palin has the lowest favourability rating of any of the four candidates for pres/VP, is mored in scandal, and the McCain campaign won't let her talk to the press because the supposed softball interview with Charlie Gibson did nothing but show up her ignorance and obvious lack of fitness.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:01 AM
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18. How would taking a teat help?
Is milk good for Alzheimers?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:20 AM
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22. LOL!
:rofl: test. typo. changing...
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:13 AM
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2. He thought she said Ho Chi Minh.
:eyes:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:24 AM
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6. Beats me. The issue at the very least is spasmodic flip-flopping.
Ron Reagan raised the Alzheimer's question partly in light of his father's death from that disease and partly because of the a) medical or b) deliberate forgetfulness that McCain has displayed on a variety of issues.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:27 AM
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7. I don't know if it is Alzheimer's, but I think he has some
thinking processes that can be difficult to analyze. There is this type of almost up and down giddiness/anger to his reactions that make me very uncomfortable.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:30 AM
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10. He seems as though he is over-medicated to me.
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:34 AM
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11. He is suffering from something n/t
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:38 AM
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12. no it s assholeitosis!
with pieceofshititis!!
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:58 AM
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16. McCain and Palin are taught by flashcards
to quickly answer a wide-range of issues.


One Answer Fits All (or Most)

Asked and answered. No time to chat. Next question please.

Specific questions such as "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" and "Would you meet with the President of Spain?" and drastically changed situations like the this week's market crash, requires 1) knowledge; and 2) the ability to draw on that knowledge.

Palin/McCain lack both requirements.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:06 AM
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20. Yes--either that or some similar initial stages of dementia and memory loss from
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:07 AM by wienerdoggie
another cause. He is not consistently sharp--he has his good days and his bad days. I think it's pretty clear.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:23 AM
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23. Alzheimer's? Probably not.
I'd wager for some other form of senile dementia. Possibly Lewy-body disease? Possibly some form of vascular dementia such as multi-infarct...but I think they'd have noticed if he'd had a series of mild strokes?

He doesn't show the traditional symptoms of Alzheimer's disease and his degrade is too rapid. Lewy body makes sense because the most prominent physical symptoms (rigidity of the extremities, shaking, loss of range, feeble gait or shuffling) which would have hit first, mirror those of his POW injuries. Vascular dementia makes sense because both onset and severity can be blood-pressure and stress-related.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lewy-body-dementia/DS00795
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vascular-dementia/DS00934
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:28 AM
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24. I have taken over the care of a family member who has Alzheimer's.......
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:31 AM by MoJoWorkin
and I can tell you what I know of the symptoms, firsthand.

Such things as loss of memory and hearing are part of aging, but also associated with Alzheimer's. There are many symptoms and stages---and I believe from seeing the disease up close and personal, that some behaviors of the person can be in a later stage, while others, may be more mild and would be classified as early stage. In other words, I don't think it is always easy to tell WHICH stage a person falls into---early, mild, moderate, severe.

I think that one would need to be around McCain on an ongoing basis to know for sure what is going on with him.

However, what I do see clearly in my loved one and also in McCain is a strong belligerence when they are confronted with the "forgetting" ( or their realization that they are in the wrong). They will blame another for it, or make off the wall accusations--anything to avoid taking responsibility. Inappropriate behaviors of being overly agitated or detached (out-to-lunch) from a situation, are common. Also, when they feel "cornered" or threatened, they tend to get overly aggressive.

Sound like McCain?


Of course, McCain is known for his "temper," but I REALLY do believe he is probably on something like Aricept, and that he DOES display some characteristics of Alzheimer's.

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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:38 AM
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27. I too, have dealt with Alzheimers for ten years.....
First my Faterh in law and now my Father.

The symptoms early on were almost exactly like the ones McCain is showing. (I ahve thought about posting this very topic many times myself) "Whoops, I misspoke". More and more mistakes on simple things. Foregetting lies and telling more lies to cover the lies you told before. Forgetting simple stuff that you should have down cold (See the comments about the Alaska National Guard and Palin's kid). Getting upset when you are wrong.

Now my ex father in law gets lost in the bathroom.

My father is a crazy lunatic who doesn't remember his own neighborhood.

The one thing that all three have in common is that everyone denied it for years. Nobody wanted to go there. They both avoided being diagnosed. And they both denied having it even after diagnosis.

I think this is a legtimate question.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:43 AM
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29. I think he is losing it
Too many examples of him confusing stuff or just not being able to answer basic questions. I think this should be a main item of concern for voters who haven't been paying close attention to his memory gaffes.
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