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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:48 AM Original message |
Obama: "2nd Amendment (is) an individual right" |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Me too! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's popular with me! |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Maybe I am sinical but |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. call me sinical but people who can't spell cynical |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. He had made that same statement BEFORE the Supreme Court ruling. n/t |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Link? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Link from February 15th |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
75. Thanks, |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. he is correct and this is a very good thing. nt. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm a Second Amendment supporter because it allows us to protect ourselves against our gov't. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I feel exactly the same |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Yes. I don't own a gun either but I want the right to get one if I deem it necessary. |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. You realize, of course: |
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iiibbb (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. It depends... |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. That's a huge "depends" |
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iiibbb (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. I don't agree... at the end of the day we outnumber them. |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. We'd outnumber them in corpses, that's for sure. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. So how do teh Iraqis manage to keep killing the same army with relative impunity? NT |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
88. An armed population is a defense against government, |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. It wasn't? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
81. um they seemed to do a pretty good job of it in iraq, |
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susanwy (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Absoluty Right! |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
5. Good for Obama |
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RedLetterRev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
7. I'm for all 10 Amendments and that includes the Second |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. 2nd amendment was not about individual rights. It was common law at the time. Silly issue. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Can't common law be about individual rights? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Do you know what is meant by "common law"? |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Yes. It's the law as laid down by courts, not by legislatures. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Not exactly, see S.397 below |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. my point is twofold: 1) there was no need for such an amendment 2) it was about a standing army |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. If individual RKBA is nor protected by the 2nd as you say, it is clearly protected by the 9th. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Which of the other 9 Bill of Rights are not about Rights? |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
48. Protection from abusive consolidation of power - 1st (establishment clause), 2nd, 3rd, 10th... |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
9. Chuck Schumer had a good line on this. |
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bushisanidiot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
10. I fully support Obama on this stance!! |
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Jack Bone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
11. Thanx for the post & the link! K&R..n/t |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. Big time support for this from me and mine. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
17. "The right of the people" is a collective, not individual, statement. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Not "infringed" at all? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. My personal belief is that military hardware should be excluded. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Read 'em and weep. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Read it again. EVERY one of those is a defined collective right. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You don't know when to give up, NCevilDUer. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You just said the police can search an individual's home without a warrant. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. READ WHAT I FUCKING WROTE |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. What if your person is not at home when the cops show up to search it? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. . |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Persons and houses are not the same thing, NC |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Why, then, are certain searches and seizures of INDIVIDUALS thrown out |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Are you saying that the 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable searches does NOT apply... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Sorry, you're wrong |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
58. WTF????? Have you even read the Bill of Rights? |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
65. Reaction to recent SC ruling? |
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Kixel (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
23. Good deal! |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. We have the right to use a weapon to defend ourselves |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. I exercise my Second Amendment rights, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
29. In the interview Obama says he supports reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban not realizing that |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. How is the 1100 bannned in HR 1022? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. See DU link below |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
84. Not seeing the 1100 listed there. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. The 1100 is included in the group of firearms that can be banned under that section. n/t |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
35. I dissent |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Did you think carefully before writing "I don't think Obama believes that"? n/t |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. Yes, I did. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Obama was a professor of Constitutional law. I see no reason to doubt he believes what he says. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. Being a professor makes him more honest?-nt |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. It makes him more likely to understand the Constitution than you, apparently |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. I agree. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
74. I agree with you on both points-nt |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. There IS a citizen militia. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. So he is a liar? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. I completely agree with him on this. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. A lot of Democrats are off base in a couple of ways |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. The Afghans held off the soviets because we gave them |
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WindRiverMan (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I have to disagree |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It has proven annoying, not effective. |
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WindRiverMan (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Nope never "WON" a war |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. The extended Pashtun tribes (28 million Pakistan, 13 million Afghanistan) are the primary ethnic |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Tell that to the Viet Cong |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. The viet cong got their asses kicked in EVERY fight. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-20-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Do you? |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. Whatever |
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WindRiverMan (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
52. I agree with him. Only dictators have martial law. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
63. Montana, West Virginia, and Missouri are play... |
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Fighting Donkey (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
66. I love pro-gun Democrats. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
68. Right or wrong |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-19-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. The 2nd Amendment is just as important as every other Amendment. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
85. I think some just wish to make excuses for why they will cower |
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