A Pro-Dean Repuke Website!

[ElementaryPenguin]

Pointing out the obvious - that the Evil War Chimp is not a traditional, small government conservative, but a big spending - fascist neocon!

http://www.republicansfordean.net/

[Scott Lee]

1. Wonders never cease. I see SOME repubs actually get it

And they vote, I'll bet. This is great news for Dean, great news for those in America who are anti-fascist, anti-corporate control of govt, anti-military junta. You'd be surprised at what quarters they come from.

[brainshrub]

2. Dean is our version of Reagan in 1980.

He's going to attract a lot of conservatives.

[ElementaryPenguin]

6. I think you're right.

:evilgrin:

[BobbyJay]

14. Yes, they love his policy on raising taxes.

They will vote for him in an instant.

[KaraokeKarlton]

33. www.bushtax.com

www.bushtax.com

[Hep]

23. And people say he has no mass appeal

???

[ElementaryPenguin]

5. Excellent little post, SL!

eom

[Turkw]

24. But some of them may have supported Bush at one time, you can't

possibly accept their help, votes or money, they are not pure enough for you. Anything touching the Republicans taints a person for life, according to some of the Dean supporters. How can you be happy for this, this is terrible, Dean is being tainted by them just thinking about him. have him go wash it off before it set in.

[dorktv]

30. I have never meet a person who thinks like that and I have been

volunteering for the campaign since January.

[Jerseycoa]

35. Wow nt

[trogdor]

41. Thank You!

We've had Republicans show up at our Meetups, and they've been welcomed warmly. They haven't drunk the Koolaid, and they recognize that Bush is running the country into the ground, and they're impressed with Dean.

I tell you what, the Bush tax cuts were a sham. The best thing to do is shitcan the whole damn thing and start over. Start with tax relief for the middle-class and poor, not just tack on a few bones as an afterthought. The best thing we can do for the country is get the budget back into balance. Why else is the dollar tanking?

I bet the diff in gas prices alone is eating up most people's tax savings and then some, hence the "Bush tax."

Tell this to the next Kerry person you see who says so-and-so saved $1500 in taxes last year: We burn up about 20 gallons of gas a week. When Bush took office, it cost about $1.25/gal. Now it's $1.65. 20 * 0.40 * 52 = $506 in increased gasoline expense. We're down a third, and we haven't even talked about property taxes yet, nor fuel oil, gas, or whatever your house runs on, nor the crappy job a lot of people had to take after getting Bushed last year, nor the raise you didn't get because high unemployment puts downward pressure on wages, nor anything else.

In short, I'd rather pay higher taxes on more money than lower taxes on less money. We were indeed lots better off four years ago.

--end rant--

[Cheswick2.0]

3. I wonder how I can sic these people on my brother

I'd like to do it without being to obvious.

[ElementaryPenguin]

7. I've got some relatives I'd like to sic them on, too!

eom

[bahrbearian]

4. Thanks for the great link

Lot's of good ammo, I put it on my favorites list.

[ochazuke]

8. Yeah, it's great, but is it for real?

I mean, who are the Republicans for Dean? I can't see any names or contact info at the site. I would guess that it's a portal to the Dean site.

Sure would be great if a prominant Republican like Sen. Chaffe would endorse Gov. Dean.

[ElementaryPenguin]

9. Details, details!

:shrug:

[Lisa0825]

19. It is registered to this guy....

http://www.brucefenton.com/

[trogdor]

42. Watch it - you know what happened with Zell Miller

Can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if a moderate Republican would endorse Howard Dean for President?

[libview]

10. No way in hell.....

Republicans would never back Dean in a million years. They would go for Liberman first.

[Kolesar]

12. maybe they don't see Lieberman as a realistic candidate, so why bother?

Joe Lieberman is not getting any front covers on Time or Newsweek.

[9119495]

13. My NRA Conservative friend is going for Dean

Hates NCLB, and sees his guns are safe. There have to be more like him.

[formernaderite]

22. I'm sure they're plenty more like him

I agree....I know the gun issue ways heavily for alot of blue collar democrats who are sometimes known to cross over to the right on the gun issuem, or sit the election out in protest. We may regain West Virginia, Ohio and Tennesse on this issue alone. I'm frankly very happy he is so Libertarian about guns.

[xultar]

11. Every Dem candidate has Repubs for XXX sites. No biggie...

Why, CROSSOVER votes. I don't mind a Republican voting for a Democrat.
Not one bit.

No flame here, nothing to see...move along people...

[cryofan]

18. Yeah, uh-huh...

No, Dean and Lieberman and Clark are probably the only one who attract GOPers.

[HFishbine]

26. Who drafted Clark?

www.republicansforclark.com

Click it, for some edification.

[cryofan]

15. No surprise here! Dean is a bigger RW conservative than Bush!

Just tell me, are these the words of a conservative or a liberal:
read Dean's own words:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Most of the Democrats in the legislature rebelled against Dean over the budget cuts, and he ended up depending on Republican votes to pass most of his proposals. At the time, a local Vermont newspaper wrote, "The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."15

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16
....
The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."18"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml


Just one thing that confuses me: why are DEMOCRATS voting for Dean? He is a CONSERVATIVE!

[Scott Lee]

20. And now for the facts....

"The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."

Did the article say what legislative issue Dean was referring with this quote? Why no, no it didn't. That leaves it pretty ambiguous and ultimately meaningless unless its in political context.

Wht if the "democratic agenda" in regards to the issue of which DEan spoke was actually, in his view, contrary to the welfare of Vermont citizens? I'll tell you if I were a governor and I saw a particular party agenda running afoul of my consituents, I'd have no hesitation pitching it.

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."

Uh, RW conservatives do NOT cut defense. Next?


The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."

Rather than try and guess about a disconnected quip (your IS article is very bad at keeping context and citing sources) let's see what the REALITY of Vermont under Governor Dean was like, shall we?

"People would claim that Vermont suffers from economic malaise, but I would point at actual statistics to illustrate the truth. In May of 2003 Vermont had an unemployment rate of 4.1%. This is much lower then the unemployment rates of such "economic powerhouses" such as California (6.4%) and the president's own Texas (6.8% - even higher then the national average).

As to the distribution of jobs in Vermont, another look at actual statistics destroys the illusion that the public sector is supports the Vermont economy. From the following graphs, one can clearly ascertain that the leading sectors of employment in Vermont were services, retail, manufacturing and government. Manufacturing has maintained a level or slow growth, but I would hold that this corresponds to a national trend of shifting of manufacturing overseas while cultivating more research and development here in the United States . Some corporations have indeed left the state or evaporated entirely. A good example of this is the machine tool industry in the Connecticut River Valley. This industry sector has completely collapsed since the 1970's primarily due to a shift of machine tool manufacturing to overseas sites. This evidence would suggest that the cost of doing business in not only Vermont, but the nation as a whole, is too great. It may be concluded that the policies of individual state governments have little effect on the manufacturing sector. The assertion that logging jobs have left the state is true as well, but again this has little to do with actions by the state government, versus a general trend in the industry. International Paper, Champion and Brown paper companies have been selling much of their forest lands in Northern New England over the past years as operations have shifted to other locations, such as Canada, due to labor costs. This problem is endemic to Northern New England as a whole and not just Vermont, so making an argument that lost logging jobs in Vermont are the result of state policy fails to address the true scope of the problem.

The argument that Vermonters have one of the highest tax burdens in the country may also be refuted. Yes, Vermont had the 12th highest tax burden in the country, but this is hardly worthy of the statement that Vermont has "one of the highest state and local tax burdens in the nation".

The accusation of Vermont being a large recipient of federal funds is farcical at best. In 1990 Vermont was ranked 40th in the nation for federal spending by state. In 2000, it was ranked 25th."

http://deandefense.org/archives/000709.html


This surely doesn't sound like a guy trying to destroy his state by taxing the middle class and poor to death.

[Hep]

25. LOL

The farther you go, the better for Dean! I love it!

[cryofan]

29. Now you guys are using reverse pyschology....how quaint! n/t

[Hep]

38. Nothing reverse about it!

I want more! Gimme more! Dean is Hitler! Dean is the devil! DOn't let up, this is too important for you to miss a day! Can't wait for tomorrow!

[the populist]

16. Dean is very much a centrist so this is not surprising

He has even described himself as a fiscal tightwad ("I'm a balanced-budget freak"). From the GOPers I've spoken to, most are for either Dean or Gephardt. They like the former because he is for balanced budgets and is publicized as the anti-Hillary. The GOP Gephardt supporters are mostly blue collar workers and Buchanan-supporters.

Among the many GOPers I frequent, none like Clark or Lieberman,. I have heard from them that Clark is Hillary's "trojan horse" and is not sincere in speaking. They ask me why they would vote for Lieberman when they can vote for "the real deal" *.

[pretzel4gore]

17. one of the repuke's strategic mainsprings...

mentioned at length in Michael Lind's "Up From Conservativism" is the idea that republicans, gop'ers, the neocons, the righteous or however they are described NEVER argue policy points in public...this has been the agreed upon m.o. for years, and this movement, obviously on part of elements still under the illusion that the US is a free country, and the repub party is the main proponent of said freedom etc...well boy are they in for a surprise!
Maybe someday the generic republican will clue in that what has happened to us is part of a detailed PLAN that has been secretly drawn up and carried out, iow a vast rightwing conspiracy....
(btw notice that Hillary never ever used the vrwc term again!)

[the populist]

21. Repukes aren't that smart.

They think Republican = conservative even though Bush is spending and increasing the govt size like Hitler on coke.

Can anyone do some research on this site to see whether it's not our version of "Democrats for Nixon"? If this is for real and actually has supporters it would be nice, but I'm not counting on the repukes to help us kick pretzelboy out of office.

[dorktv]

27. Dean has gotten a lot of Repukes...I have reregistered three myself.

[Tweed]

31. Wow

Yeah, it is easy to get friends to back a cause that you are for. They are your friends, you are going to agree on most things. That is why you keep them around.

[ozone_man]

32. I call them Repubs,

they might take more kindly to that than Repukes. :-)

A vote is a vote, and if they have come to realize that Bush does not represent them, then their votes are certainly welcome.

[shoopnyc123]

28. EMAIL ALL THE STATIONS...

And request a story on this....

[John_H]

34. Heck, The entire RNC is pulling for Dean!

[Oreegone]

36. Not Surprised

We have a good amount of Republicans in our Dean group along with Libertarians, Greens and Environmentalists. Think I'm kidding...no that is what is happening.

And there are more liberals with guns than you might feel comfortable thinking about.

Dean :loveya:

[picus9]

37. It's bullshit.

No 'real' republican would support Dean just as no 'real' democrat would support Bush.

I just don't buy any republican having a website with such anti-Bush pro-Dean rhetoric. I'm not saying that the people on the site don't believe in Dean, I'm just saying that they are using the name 'Republican for Dean' to garner hits to their site.

I'm a democrat who supports Clark, and I don't buy all the stuff on that site. Your telling me that someone to the right of me, enough to be a Repub, does? No way.

[hope42mro]

39. Safire Supports Dean

On Meet the Press last Sunday Safire blatantly admitted he hoped Dean would win the nomination so that he would guarantee Bush a second term, and in doing so drag the Democratic party down. So that's the Republican endorsement of Dean. Safire is a veteran conservative and political editorialist, so I believe he's being honest.

[Hep]

40. Suuports Dean?

What you said of him doesn't mean he supports Dean.