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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:14 PM
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Obama's Campaign is GENIUS. Their Work Over the Last Two Weeks Verified In Today's Polls
Gallup: 47-45
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110446/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47-McCain-45.aspx

Reuters: 47-45
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1642854220080917

Research 2000 / Daily Kos: 48-44
http://www.dailykos.com/dailypoll/2008/9/17

McCain’s Palin bounce is over. Obama’s campaign has taken him back into the lead.

They have worked both hard and smart and they have turned things back around.

The EV's still need work, but there is always a 1-week lag in the EV data. I expect things to turn around there by next week if the momentum continues.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:15 PM
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1. The fascination with Palin has worn off and she is being seen as she really is and it really is the
economy, stupid! Things are picking up, no doubt about it. Now we have to keep it going.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:26 PM
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14. The bloom is off the rose ...
(of course, now I'll hear from the Rose Anti-Defamation League ...)
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:45 PM
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24. The lipstick is off the mutt
My apologies to puppy dogs everywhere.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 04:21 PM
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110. And we will keep it going. I'm truly amazed at the wisdom of
the Obama campaign in their handling of Palin. I'm not glad that the economy is crashing, but we knew it would at some point. Better now than after the election.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:18 PM
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2. Good to hear.
Even though I don't know that the campaign has been doing much, unless you are talking about the grass roots aspect of it. I can't really think of anything they've done at a higher, campaign-level to change matters much lately. It's probably more the Palin factor wearing off, and the perilous times are becoming even more obvious to everyone with the news lately.

As I said in another thread, I think the Obama campaign has run a poor-to-average national campaign so far. Considering the times, there is really very little reason for this election to be so close.

It is refreshing though to see him back on top of the polls. I got a little uneasy when I saw the polls sway as much as they did recently, and was like, "oh boy, here we go again."
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:20 PM
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5. They've been exposing the truth of McCain/Palin. And they've done it effectively.
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:26 PM
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13. Who have they been exposing it to?
They have been doing it, to the crowds that go to see them speak, but they've been almost invisible on the national stage lately. The media has been calling McCain/Palin out on their bs. I'm sure Obama and Biden are doing it as well, but they ain't getting much press from it. I see almost no Obama ads where I live, and really the only one I've seen on TV has been the one where they went after McCain for saying, "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." Heck, I don't even know if that's an Obama campaign ad, or one that was put out by a group supporting Obama. Before that one, I can't count how many times I saw a newscast show a new McCain ad, while I waited and never saw one from Obama.

The Obama campaign would be well down the list as to reasons why I believe McCain/Palin have dropped in the polls lately.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:39 PM
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20. Their ads, in addition to getting t.v. time get much more exposure on the Web.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:23 PM
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9. They smartly let Palin and McCain implode on their own. No dirt on their hands
If we knew all about Palin the moment she was introduced with merely a google, the campaign new that she was going down without any nasty mudslinging on their part.

Yes, it was genious and yes, they saved their money to go after McCain...

Its called opposition research and using common sense!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:26 PM
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105. You're absolutely right. It was genius. And it takes a steel core
to be patient and not hit out at the wrong time. I really admire that.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:28 PM
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106. Poor to
average? Seriously, what do you want the man to do? When he wasn't hitting back he was weak, now he's hitting back and hittting back hard and it still isn't good enough?

Did you ever stop the think that Barack is running a great national campaign? We wouldn't know it of course because the last few weeks it's been all Palin all the time.

It's almost as if Obama can do no right in the eyes of some. His ground game is what's going to win this. Something we'll probably never hear about. And that's fine with me. The media wants to keep pushing McCain and Palin I say let them. We see where it's gotten them haven't we? Palin has been exposed for the fraud she is.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:45 PM
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114. It's amazing to hear you say you can't think of much they've been doing.
In the time it takes most Dem campaigns I've seen to release just one ad, the Obama campaign figured out how they were going to deal with McCain's selection of Palin, and then went into action. Every single day in the last two weeks, or just about, they've released a NEW powerful ad; every single day, I've seen a video of either Biden or Obama speaking at crowded rallies in swing states with new speeches designed to crush McCain; Obama campaign surrogates fanned out across the media and successfully drove home the message that:

McCain's ads are filled with lies
McCain's ads make perverse suggestions
McCain doesn't know anything about economics
McCain doesn't know anything about the middle class
McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time

The Obama campaign message on McCain has been so successful in these last two weeks that for the first time in my life, I'm actually seeing the MSM beat up on the GOP opponent using the Democrat's words, rather than the usual way around.

Sounds like a bit of "much" to me.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:19 PM
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3. The best thing is
I don't think these polls actually reflect the reality on the ground.

I truly believe if he is leading in these polls what we are really looking at is a blowout of epic proportions.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:23 PM
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8. As Chris Rock And D.L. Hughley say, "I never met a Brother or a Sister yet that's been polled!"
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 12:24 PM by GalleryGod
This African American Tsunami will overwhelm the Klanish instincts and fears of others and democracy will dance in America on 01/20/09 :patriot: :rofl: :patriot:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:29 PM
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15. I just read on another thread that
500,000 African Americans in Florida stayed home and 900,000 Young Peeps, in 2004, for whatever reason.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7094931
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Obamarulz11 Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:23 PM
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40. LMMFAO!!!!!!!
i think It was said last night at the fundraiser, if im not mistaken.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:20 PM
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4. The good news is
That the economy will be THE ISSUE from now on till election day. No more distractions and bullshit. Voters don't want to hear any of it.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:04 PM
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32. I would not bet on that ...
Two things ...

1) what the media gives, it takes. They only opened up and STARTED to deal with McCain's BS once BO was behind in the polls. BO gets up, that worm will turn easily.

2) 50 days is 50 years with the 24 hour news cycle. It is the "economy" this week, after a massive DJ drop. If the market settles down, NO WAY the media doesn't lose interest in the MUNDANE, ie. REAL issues, and it will be VERY willing to carry whatever bizarre crape the McCain camp or Rs start throwing.

Oh, btw, all it takes is an attack on Iran, or some other Bushco act to have the media fawning all over MR FOREIGN POLICY again.

Oh, btw, ESPECIALLY if BO is up in the polls, look for the debates to be a lot like 2000, 2004 - with the media crowning the "decisivve" and "presidential" McCain the winner.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:56 PM
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115. But McCain's image is now tarnished
McCain was riding on his "maverick, straight-shooter" reputation. That is gone now. People will no longer look at him with blinders like they did before. Even if the media did a complete 180 and start talking him up, the damage has already been done. McCain hit his high water mark, but ended up driving his own negatives up by repeating the same lies over and over again.
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:21 PM
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6. I'll believe they're genius if
Obama's number breaks 50.

Arguably, the campaign was going to return back to pre-convention numbers anyway. All the doomsayers needed to relax. They've also had help with the media deciding to agree that McCain's campaign is actually lying more than the usual politician.

Want to impress me? Get above the pre-convention number and then hold on to it. Create a new plateau, higher than the 46-48 that Obama was consistently holding in August.

-=-

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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:21 PM
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7. No, Obama campaign is not a genius. They had to be pushed to go on attack against McBush
Obama had to put aside the professor and take up the prize figher mantle. Nice guys finish last in American politics, no matter how many people decry negative attack ads.

After the Obama campaign went on the attack against McBush and got some good ones out there, they halted the pro-McCain/Palin tide. And the media calling McCain out on their lies and the current financialy crisis has helped turn the tide in Obama's favor. If Obama had not pushed backed, he would have dug himself a deep hole that he most likely would not gotten out of by election day.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:24 PM
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10. And even as Obama has pushed back, he gets criticized for not being emotional enough.
(Chris Matthews - aka Tweety)
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:25 PM
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12. You really aren't paying attention. He has been taking it to McCain daily in his town halls and
speeches. The MSM chooses not to cover it so you think that he's not doing the necessary.

Google and BarackObama.com is your friend.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
35. Only so much information can be gleened out of one's own navel
Doncha know.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:28 PM
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46. I noticed that you did nto see my post on Defenders of Wildlife ad being better than Obama's and
McCain's ads.
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:29 PM
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16. You're only assuming he had to be pushed
It's just as possible that the plan had always been to avoid going negative until mid-September - when national attention becomes most focused on the election - to avoid peaking early. We really don't have any real evidence either way.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:53 PM
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27. The Obama campaign's original plan was to coast to the November elections
Obama is conflict adverse, like a lot of Dem leaders are. The only time these Dem leaders show honest anger is at Dem activists expressing our First Amendment rights when they help Rethugicans censure us.

Obama even said himself that he thinks the American people are smart enough to see the bad policies of the Republicans. That mentality is what gave us Bush for 8 years.

The reason why I'm not an Obama fanatic is because I don't feel that Obama will fight for me against Big Business and other moguls. I'll vote for him in November, but will not volunteer for his campaign. I'm not wasting my time and money on someone who is reluctant to fight the corrupt Republicans and their cohorts.

True, Obama's campaign very recently is attacking better, but their ads need to be better. That's proof that going on the attack was not a priority for them.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. You are making shit up now. Please knock it off.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:59 PM
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91. Yes Bernie. I'd like a link to back up her statements, wouldn't you?
We won't get them because they don't exist, obviously. If they DID exist she would have posted them at the request of numerous people here.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Wow.
You're a real piece of work.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:07 PM
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33. Poor put upon baby
I challenge you to show me when Obama has ever, EVER showed "honest anger at Dem activists expressing our First Amendment rights when they help Rethugicans censure us"

You may feel that way about some Dem leaders, just show me when Obama has made any statement that would support this comment.

Meanwhile, can you cite a source for your insider information about the Obama campaign? How would you know what ANY of their plans were?

And you wanna know what? I wouldn't want you to volunteer anyway. Your attitude would be like a psychic vampire draining the excitement out of the campaign. We don't need that shit. I saw enough of it in 2004.

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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. Actually, I'm secretary of my town's DTC
so I will be volunteering for my DTC for phone banking this year.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #41
60. And that's different from working for Obama how?
Or will you only be phonebanking for local candidates?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:38 PM
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69. I did not volunteer for Obama's campaign
One guy in my DTC did and went to PA to help the Obama campaign during the PA primary. He's an Obama fanatic.

I refused to go out of my way to help Obama. I've been helping my DTC with phone banking in every election, local, state, and national, since 2002. The only Prez candidate I signed up to help was Howard Dean in 2003-04. I went to NH for 5 weekends to help his campaign and donate the maximum to his campaign. Obama has not earned that kind of support from me. Obama has not inspired me to volunteer for his campaign directly.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:44 PM
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79. I hope you don't think that anyone who decides to work for the campaign is a "fanatic"
So far, it seems like you do. I hope that's not really the case.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. The Obama fanatics are the ones who denounce us Democrats who disagree with Obama
even if we are still voting for him. If we dare say anything critical of Obama, Obama fanatics pounce upon that person like a pack of jackals.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. you're simply pulling shit out of your butt
pathetic hateful crap.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:23 PM
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. The primaries are over, you know over.
Just a friendly reminder.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:27 PM
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44. I voted for Obama in CT's Feb. 5 primary
I'm just not an Obama fanatic. I was an "Anybody but a Clinton and DLC Dem" primary voter. I didn't like any of the Dem Prez candidates. None of them inspired me.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:29 PM
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47. So then you're aware you're carrying McCain's water for him.
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 01:29 PM by Bornaginhooligan
With your "Obama as messiah" voter suppression tactic.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:31 PM
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:31 PM
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54. Obama supporters are fascist too?
Wow, you're really laying it on thick.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:33 PM
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. Nah.
I'm not denouncing any democrats.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
67. Criticism is one thing. Bashing another
Saying that Dem leaders only get genuinely angry when they're taking away the first amendment rights of activists like you is bashing.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:39 PM
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70. Prove that I was bashing
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #70
82. I consider this bashing
"Obama is conflict adverse, like a lot of Dem leaders are. The only time these Dem leaders show honest anger is at Dem activists expressing our First Amendment rights when they help Rethugicans censure us."

Labeling people fanatics and fascists because they disagree with your attitude would also qualify.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:50 PM
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85. Republicans pushed a Censure resolution against MoveOn.org over its Pretraeus ad
and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid allowed it on the floor and most Dems voted for it.

Republicans don't do that with their activists, no matter how loathsome they are. Why should Dem leaders feed the Republican trough? Obama did not vote on that motion, but he didn't do anything to point out to his Dem colleagues that they should not censure Americans First Amendment rights.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #58
83. lulz
http://www.answers.com/fascism&r=67

I don't see that listed here. And what's a "fantaic"? Sounds festive.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #54
73. Hmmm.....
Is this a game of Pizza Quest?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:52 PM
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86. Pizza Quest...
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. LOL!!!! That is SO great. Thank you. :)
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:02 PM
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93. Actually the Defenders of Wildlife Ad was better
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. Your record is starting to skip.
Lift up the needle and check for fuzz. Usually fixes it.

MPK
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:07 PM
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. Now you're just not even trying anymore.
You lose style points here I'm afraid.

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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:11 PM
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99. Who made you judge?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #99
100. Thanks for kicking the thread! n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. Yeah. Sure.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. Just shows, you don't know much
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #39
51. sorry, dearie, but I'm hardly an Obama fanatic. I'm an Obama supporter
and a democrat. Pretty obvious what you are.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. You have no idea who I am
and I'm a Democrat. In fact I'm secretary of my town's DTC. So I'm a Democratic activists. Not all of us are Obama fanatics.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #56
64. you're a shit stirrer.
and you're shit stirring at the wrong time. Have fun with that.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:39 PM
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72. You are clueless
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #64
75. Yep. We agree on that.
And now I have to do my civic duty as a good DUer.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #51
104. Everybody...stop feeding it. If you feed it, it will follow you home. n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:32 PM
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55. You're just here to stir up shit. Everybody knows that.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #55
62. Prove it!!
I've been a member of DU since it was founded.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. Damn shame you wasted all that time.
:rofl:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #62
71. What does that have to do with anything? You've made up shit
and spewed it as fact in this very thread. With absolutely NOTHING to back up your idiotic assertions. In addition, you're insulting every Obama supporter here with your "Obama fanatic" BS. You knew it would be insulting before you did it. And you did it over and over again.

And that is nothing but stirring up shit. On purpose. For a reason. Over and over.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #27
49. Blah blah blah
You don't know shit. Nice fiction writing, though.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:31 PM
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53. You don't know much.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #53
66. I know plenty
I know, for example, that if Obama wins you will be posting about how it was really YOU and your crew and not the totally dysfunctional Obama campaign that made it all possible.

You're embarrassing yourself.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #66
77. No, I won't be posting about how it was me that helped Obama win
I'm not an Obama fanatic. I'm a Democrat.

You don't know who I am and you make generalizations about me based on your ignorance.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
52. WTF? You're not an Obama "fanatic?" That says it all.
Disgusting.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #52
78. Why is being a Democrat and not an Obama fanatic "disgusting"?
The two are not the same.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
92. Did you get all this insight from David Axelrod?
I doubt it.

I trust they've played out some scenarios at least since they knew they were going with Biden as VP.

They probably anticipated McCain's cynical choice of a female VP in response to the Biden pick and the Republican convention bounce. They may not have known it would be Palin, but I'm sure they did their oppo research pretty quickly and made some adjustments from there.

I don't think yesterday's endorsement by N.O.W. was a coincidence. He rolled it out just as the MSM was yammering about women "flocking" to McCain. I think Obama has control over the release of information from his campaign and picks and chooses his moments.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:06 PM
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95. I like Axelrod better than I do Obama
but I don't think Axelrod anticipated Palin as McCain's VP. I think they were expecting Lieberman, Romney, Pawlenty or Graham. Their lack of an attack against Palin proves my point. It took them a couple weeks to get going on her and McCain.

Why can't you guys admit that Obama and his campaign are humans and susceptible to mistakes and errors, just like we all are? Why does Obama have to be flawless? He's not God, you know.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:20 PM
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103. Obviously he's not God, but nor do I think the Palin pick
totally and completely knocked them back on their heels as the MSM would have people believe.

I'm sure they had to make some adjustments given the MSM's infatuation with the mysterious unknown McCain running mate candy, but I don't believe they ruled out a woman on the ticket or her possible effect on disaffected Hillary voters.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:15 PM
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101. conflict adverse - what happened to the line that he was a blood thirsty fighter from
Chicago who won by getting all of those illegal voters thrown off by challenging every single one of them?


You kind of have to make your mind but here is a hint no one that is "conflict adverse" would have bothered fighting it out with the Clintons.

He could have had a nice campaign and he certainly would have been offered the VP post and would have taken the VP position (the most conflict adverse position every invented) and in 8 years inherited the Presidency.
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #27
102. Wow, what have I done?
I seem to have touched off a bit of a fire-fight...

Anyway, I'm not going to berate you for your opinion since, on a certain level, I share it. I've never been able to support a candidate that actually believes in what I do, since they just don't exist in American politics. But I've also come to the conclusion that a candidate who I could support 100% would plunge the country into a civil war within hours of taking office, so I'm of the opinion that voting against my interests in this case is probably best for the country.

I'm sorry you don't feel the elation and hope that others do when it comes to Obama, but I won't say your fears are ungrounded, either. It's hard to believe that any candidate in modern politics is actually interested in changing the system, and cynicism is a reasonable approach given the last several decades. We'll see what happens if he wins and judge him accordingly.

I do think it's a bit unfair to point to Obama's words about the American people as proof he wasn't planning on going negative. He is, after all, a politician running on a platform of change. He's not going to come out and say "People are stupid so we're going negative in September." As far as the effectiveness of the ads, that's a subjective opinion. The official Obama ads could be harder-hitting, I suppose, but that's because of the framework he's trying to craft. As I said, he's running on being a different kind of politician, so his ads have to reflect that. If he just goes gung-ho mudslinging, he undermines that persona. He has to appear reluctant to get dirty or else he comes across as "just another politician." Alternately, the nature of the ads may in fact suggest that he's not entirely comfortable with negative campaigning - that he sees it as a necessary evil. In other words, he may actually believe what he says - a rarity in politics. The cynic in me says no, but it's possible.

In my mind, he's walking a potentially dangerous tightrope with this campaign. He's banking on the opinion that moderates and independents are tired of the Republican-led partisanship of the Bush and Clinton years, and that they'll respond negatively to a dirty campaign. History has shown the opposite is classically true, but this may well be a unique situation that may well prove the opposite. It's a gamble to be sure, but it's not a 100-1 longshot. I tend to believe that he may be onto something - that people in general are disillusioned and jaded about politics and looking for a figure that inspires them to believe again. The question is whether he can frame himself as that figure. And we'll see what the answer is soon enough, I guess.

I don't expect everyone to be "an Obama fanatic." I'm not, really. But I came to support him because I see in him the potential to inspire others. I see a smart politician with a carefully-crafted message for the particulars of the country's situation right now, which may just work. It'd be great if he also genuinely believes what he says, but even if he doesn't it'll be a damn sight better than 4 more years of Republican rule. And, as you seem to be well aware of that, that's all I'm going to say on the subject.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:39 PM
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19. IF...what the f*** good is it to say "If Obama had not pushed back..."??
what the hell do YOU want??

this is the newest form of hand-wringing: He DID what he should have..but what IF he hadn't?"

What don't you just explain what is happening, how it is or isn't working, and what you would actually do differently?

i guess you can't get your mind around the fact that Obama's campaign seems to 'hit the ball' everytime they get a pitch...without the micromanagement outlook many 'supporter' seem to possess...
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:59 PM
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28. No, they don't hit the ball out of the park everytime
You speak like an Obama fanatic, not like a Democrat.

Even Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have criticized Obama for not attacking soon enough and for having weak attack ads. The recent few ads are much better, but Obama needs to go for the jugular and I don't know if Obama has that in him.

My political hero is Gov. Brian Schweitzer of Montana. He's the only Dem leader I'd follow to Hell and back. I won't do the same for Obama or any other Dem leader I see right now. The big difference between Schweitzer and Obama is that Schweitzer knows how to fight the Reich wingnuts using the Reich wing tactics against them and Schweitzer doesn't waste time responding to attacks. Obama hasn't quite figured that out yet.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. Epic. Fail.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:02 PM
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31. Pushed by who?
Who exactly do you think would have been doing the pushing?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:26 PM
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43. Pushed by his big donors and Congressional Dem leaders
They're banking on Obama to win, so don't blame them for getting pissed at Obama's passive attitude towards McCain's attacks a couple weeks ago.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #43
76. Sources for this information, please
or are you ass-u-me-ing that's how they feel.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. Haven't you read the news or watched TV over the last few weeks?
It's been in the news. You live in a cave or something?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
45. Why are you pissing on this thread? And you have NO IDEA
if any of what you said is true or not. You're just spewing bullshit.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. I'm not an Obama fanatic
and I hate it when Obama fanatics pull bullsh*t out of their arses about how great Obama is and how flawless his campaign has been run, when he is not that great and his campaign has stumbled.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:34 PM
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61. Look, you're not fooling ANYBODY here.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:40 PM
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74. You haven't got a clue about anything
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:25 PM
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11. One of the Republican talking heads, Ed Gillespie I think,
made the comment that McBush peaked too early. I think he's right.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:55 PM
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89. McCain wasn't heading towards a peak prior to the Repub convention
he needed Palin to boost his numbers and get the Rethug base rallied behind his campaign. Putting Palin on the ticket was a gamble for McCain. She gave him an instant boost and it would have worked longer if the Obama campaign did not fight back and did not allow Left wing 527 groups to fight back against their lies. The Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund has the best political ad out so far.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:29 PM
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17. Don't you love that when Obama was ahead in he EV, the media talked ONLY about the national polls?
And now that the races are tightening in the states, suddenly, the statwide numbers are getting coverage.

So typical.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:35 PM
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18. I think they put a HUGE chunk in McCain's "honor" armor.
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 12:36 PM by cottonseed
Let the guy get confused, let him overreach, give him enough rope... Then WHAMO! hit him on "honor" and "integrity", the only thing he had left. Now, with an actual issue to talk about (the economy) the guy is a walking joke.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:42 PM
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22. As usual for me, acronym problem. "EV"? It's not Extra Value, Eligible Voters, Elderly Vatos...
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:44 PM
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23. Electoral Votes
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:46 PM
Original message
Thanks... obvious, but I've got too much on my mind (don't we all, eh?)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Sorry about that. Electoral Votes is the term for EV when discussing polls around here.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 12:46 PM
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25. I agree. IMO, Obama/Biden are running a near-flawless campaign so far
never hesitating to fight back against the RW smears and coming up with some really good TV ads. We all knew Obama would be a great candidate, but it takes a little more time for the rest of the country to appreciate him. The polls will soon be reflecting how much people are liking him.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
97. I also appreciate that he's patient sometimes, too. I was nervous
about Palin and wanted him to attack more. But Obama was right. There was no reason to attack. It would have been drowned out by all the pro-Palin schtick anyway. And as the schtick has worn thin, more facts have come out all on their own. The huge issue is the economy and Obama has done a superb job of handling it.

I'm sure that at some point Obama will address Palin, if need be, and when he does it'll be much better than I would have thought of.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:27 PM
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111. Good point
There was really no need for Obama to attack Palin at that point in time, especially with the campaign barely off and running. She was getting enough attacks from all over the place, and if Obama attacked her initially it would look like piling on. Obama was right. The media, the pundits, the bloggers, the posters, and all the word of mouthers are taking care of Palin. When the time is right, like you say, Obama will handle her just fine.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:08 PM
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34. Yes - no panic at the temporary Palin hysteria
No fear.

Just confidence.

Stayed on their game.

And like you said, it worked! :)

Thanks for sharing! BIG KICK & R!
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:20 PM
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37. Compare Obama's campaign to McCain's
and it's a human to an amoeba.

Obama's bar is sky high and I think people are hugely unreasonable and McCain's bar is buried about 50 feet below ground and he can't get near it.

This should be way over.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:21 PM
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38. Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund "wolf" ad more effective than Obama's & McCain's ads
Focus group not "wild" about Palin's Conservation Record
SNIP
Media Curves CEO, Glenn Kessler, says about the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund "wolf" ad,

"The ad which focuses on Governor Palin's record regarding the treatment of wildlife in Alaska seemed to strike a chord with voters. The recent ads from both parties have had little impact among voters. This is the first ad in over a month that seems to have broken through."


Media Curves conducted a focus group with 312 Democrats, Republicans and Independents and found that after viewing the ad:

"there was moderate movement among all parties toward Barack Obama."


According to the focus group, this ad has more impact than McCain's "lipstick on a pig" or Obama's ads on McCain's lobbyist ties...

After watching the ad, 25% of the focus group characterized themselves as angry, including 36% of Democrats, 15% of Republicans and 26% of Independents. 16% of the group responded with "sadness" and 29% were disturbed, including 31% of Democrats, 26% of Republicans and 29% of Independents. 22% also viewed the ad with skepticism.

What was even more surprising to me was that the ad helped Obama achieve a Political Communications Impact Score (PCIS) of 23.3, which is a metric that illustrates the change of voters' perception on each candidate. The higher the score, the more indication of a shift in voter support, and the better for the candidate. So in this case, the ad was very effective in shifting voter support. In comparison, McCain's sex education ad only received a PCIS score of 4.8 and Obama's "More of the Same" ad only ranked a 3.2.

This is an issue that resonates with voters...


As an animal lover and wildlife supporter, I found the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund "wolf" ad provocative and it solicits an emotional response from viewers. Obama's ad tend to be to boring and cerebral. Those are the kinds of ads that have helped keep Dems out of the White House for 8 years.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #38
108. No doubt that was a great Ad, but Obama's campaign is running a strategic campaign.
you can not deny it no matter how much you want to.
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Pattib Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:35 PM
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65. Great News. Knew it was going to happen though. Glad to see a lot of Americans aren't brain dead!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:44 PM
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80. He wisely waited until the Palin hysteria was over to land his best
shots. While I was worried about Palin, Obama saw the larger picture.

Anything Obama said or did right after the repuke convention fell on deaf ears, so he had the right tactic all along.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:52 PM
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87. America is coming down at last from a bad acid trip. n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. And thank goodness for that, eh? I seriously don't know how I'd
deal with 4 years of McIdiot.
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #87
109. LOL!!!!
I saw this big, hairy thing with glasses and a bright red mouth...

:D
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:32 PM
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107. K&R-- They've been smart all along. /nt
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:34 PM
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112. I still think they need to punch harder, much harder
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 08:35 PM by crazy_vanilla
No mercy on the Republicans!:nuke:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:49 PM
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113. Obama and his supporters must FIGHT and keep the pressure on. We'll need a +5 advantage in the poll
or it will be very "stealable"
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:09 PM
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116. k&r
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:27 PM
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117. Obama and Biden have been relentless the last few days
They patiently waited out the Palin bounce and then got to work. They started pounding on McCain about being like Shrub and then the stock market collapsed. They wisely took advantage of the situation and pounced on McLame's idiocy of the economy. Biden in particular has been just brutal about McCain, being a great attack dog. Obama has been completely on message this week. The economy, the economy, the economy. Watching this before my eyes has been great and even more satisfying then if Obama had not fallen behind. All the msm naysayers must eat their words and admit Obama is running a great campaign...not to mention a revolutionary ground game to rival the Rethugs from years past.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 12:45 AM
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118. McCain is playing checkers.
Obama is playing chess. It's the strategy.
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