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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:50 AM
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ARG releases 25 new state polls
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 10:24 AM by RMP2008
Here they are:

Link: http://www.americanresearchgroup.com

September 17, 2008 - General Election Ballots

Presidential Ballots
State McCain Obama Other Undecided

AL 58% 36% 1% 5%
AK 55% 39% 2% 3%
AZ 56% 39% 1% 3%
CO 46% 44% 3% 7%
DE 40% 51% 1% 8%
DC 13% 82% - 4%
HI 32% 63% 2% 4%
ID 68% 25% - 6%
IL 45% 51% 1% 4%
KS 63% 31% - 6%
KY 57% 37% 1% 5%
LA 50% 43% 1% 6%
ME 41% 51% - 8%
MS 55% 39% 1% 5%
MO 50% 45% - 5%
MT 49% 47% 1% 4%
NV 49% 46% - 5%
NM 44% 51% - 5%
NY 38% 55% 2% 5%
NC 52% 41% 1% 6%
OH 50% 44% - 6%
RI 33% 59% - 8%
TX 57% 36% 1% 6%
UT 65% 29% - 6%
WV 49% 45% - 7%
WY 66% 28% - 5%

Click on each state for survey details. Totals may not add up to 100% because of rounding.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:52 AM
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1. Yeah, Obama has a bigger lead in new Mexico than in Illinois
That makes sense.

:rofl:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:00 AM
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14. NM is solid, now. And, MT is moving!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:07 AM
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21. There are a lot of 'good ole boys' down state
Remember that he has only ran state-wide in IL once, and his opponent was Alan Keyes.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:53 AM
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2. The Indiana and Ilinois numbers don't make any sense. nt
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:55 AM
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4. Indiana isn't on the list.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:08 AM
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24. See # 23. n/t
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:56 AM
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5. ID = Idaho; IN = Indiana
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:07 AM
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22. I'm officially an idiot. nt
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:56 AM
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7. I don't think that they polled Indiana.
:shrug:
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:08 AM
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23. Thanks, see # 22. After 8 years of idiocy in our government it seems to have rubbed off. nt
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:59 AM
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13. ARG never makes sense that is why they are the most discredited polling outfit in America
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nyccitizen Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:53 AM
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3. Ouch. Only NM looks good... not so hot in OH, CO, NV...

Anyone have crosstabs/methodology info?
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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:58 AM
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9. Yeah it's at
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com

Also I look at these polls as showing us within striking distance in historic red states rather than as neccessarily bad.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:01 AM
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15. Internals have us way up in indies in CO...
So how can we be behind? They must have some weird ass partisan balance going there.

In any event, the indy margin, if correct, means we'll win CO.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:04 AM
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20. what internals?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:08 AM
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26. 50-38 for Obama
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres2008/CO08.html
If those numbers are right, we win, regardless of their topline numbers.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:56 AM
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6. This is mostly solid red states n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:56 AM
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8. If It's Ok I'll Wait For A Reputable Pollster
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:58 AM
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10. These are crap.
ARG has a terrible reputation. Also, some of these polls pre-date what appears to be a surge to Obama. Look at CO -- it was poll Sept. 10-13.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:02 AM
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17. I Intutively Suspect About 80% Or So Of Them Are Right
That's decent for shooting free throws but it sucks for predicting the Electoral College...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:02 AM
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18. I Intutively Suspect About 80% Or So Of Them Are Right
That's decent for shooting free throws but it sucks for predicting the Electoral College...
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:27 AM
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30. Even if they are right, I'm happy to cede Sept. 10 to McCain.
I just want November 4th.
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Obamarulz11 Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:59 AM
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11. My thoughts
Colo -2..Will not last long
Ill +6..WTF!! thats not right
Louisiana...WOW -7 we were down 15 or 17 i cant remember.
Mizz -5 striking distance
Nevada...obtainable
new Mexico--yeah!
Ohio=BS
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:59 AM
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12. Illinois 51-45? bushlit.
There is probably a 10 point spread here, minimum.


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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:22 AM
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29. That's seriously bullshit.
McCain might be doing relatively ok in places like DuPage county.

But I think Obama will do relatively well Downstate. And if McCain were to get 10% here in Chicago, I'd be surprised.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:01 AM
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16. lol
what's funny is that some DU'ers will believe it.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:03 AM
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19. some head scratching on some of these
For instance, Obama is doing better than +6 in Illinois.

I highly doubt that Obama is doing better in Louisiana than he is in North Carolina.

West Virginia is a pleasant surprise--but still can't believe Obama is doing better in WVA than in Ohio!

NY, RI, HI seem on target

NM confirms other polls

I think CO, MT, NV all within the moe is probably right. Either Obama has a small lead or McCain or it's tied.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:08 AM
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25. You should include a link so we can "click on each state"......nt
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:09 AM
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27. I'm seeing 277 Evs for Obama with these polls and the most recent ones we have from the rest.
Even without CO, OH, FL, NV, ...if he can hold his lead in VA. Lots of ways for him to win here if he doesn't hold VA by taking two of these, which ARG has within striking distance: CO (-2), MT (-2), NV (-3), WV (-4).
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 10:18 AM
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28. State polls always lag well behind national ones.
Last week, we were all touting state polls that had Obama with leads. Those polls have now shifted towards McCain a bit. That's not unexpected, as they're just now reflecting the post-convention bounce. Expect a new round of state polls to shift back to pre-conventions status in a week or two.
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