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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 01:44 PM
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Palin proposes to be the first to post the U.S. "checkbook" online. Isn't that info online now?
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 01:50 PM by JimDandy
Or has no federal entity taken on that task? Like the GAO? Palin implies that the public has never had online access to the U.S. checkbook. Now, I've never gone looking for that kind of info before, so is the implication in her statement true or not?

"I've got another idea that I think Senator McCain likes. In Alaska, we took the state checkbook and put it online, so everyone can see where their money goes. We're going to bring that kind of openness to Washington,"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_el_pr/palin;_ylt=AgbjtE.72nlIlv7G.TQ.F0TCw5R4
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 01:53 PM
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1. okay, Missy.....is the Alaska checkbook online??
Because I want to see the part about the renovations required to put the tanning bed in the governor's mansion.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:14 PM
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12. Hahaaa...
If it's there, it's probably listed as "office equipment"!
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Rosie1223 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 01:57 PM
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2. Already done by Obama!
Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/good_government_responsible_spending/

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 01:59 PM
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3. That was what I was just thinking....I hope Obama reminds voters of this.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:12 PM
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11. Okay ,that's some of the spending side of a checkbook:
"This important bill will bring badly needed transparency to Federal spending by creating a user-friendly website to search all government contracts, grants, earmarks, and loans, thereby opening up Federal financial transactions to public scrutiny."

But what about the income side?

I really like the idea of a checkbook - was just hoping it had been done already.

Is the website in Obama's bill finished yet?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:16 PM
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13. http://usaspending.gov/
yes its done
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:18 PM
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14. Thanks! n/t
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:26 PM
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15. It WAS done--until FY 1999--but Dubya scrapped it. See post #8 below. Here's a snip
From http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/02statab/fedgov.pdf ,
page 313

"U.S. Census Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United
States: 2002
Federal Government Finances and Employment
No.462. Per Capita Federal Balance of Payments by State: 1999

[In dollars, except rank. For year ending Sept. 30.
Represents federal spending within the borders of
the 50 states, including defense and excluding
interest payments on the federal debt. Each state
runs a balance of payments surplus or deficit with
the federal government. Put another way, each state
indirectly subsidizes or is being
subsidized by the other states]


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Federal spending in the state
. . . .  Balance. . . . . . . ------------------------------
. . . .. of pay-. .. Federal. . . .1 . . . . Non-. . Social.
. . . .. ments. Rank taxes. . Total Defense defense Security

Alaska.... 2,777 . 6. 4,872 . 7,649. 2,194 . 3,786 .. 657
Arizona..... 904. 20. 4,713 . 5,617. 1,361 . 1,689. 1,474
Delaware. -1,025. 43. 5,876 . 4,851 .. 615 . 1,458. 1,578
Illinois. -1,669. 47. 6,260 . 4,592 .. 354 . 1,442. 1,501

X Not applicable. 1 Includes categories of spending,
not shown separately.

Source: Jay H. Walder and Herman B. Leonard, Tauber
Center for State and Local Government and John F.
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University,
The Federal Budget and the States, annual.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:12 PM
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19. W's first year was federal FY 2002
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 01:09 PM
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24. Since the main inputs to Fisc Reports were OMB reports of ACTUAL FY expenditures,
reconciled with planned expenditures in the budget, the FY 1999 report could not appear until after the FY 1999-2000 budget year was over, in December 2000, when Senator Moynihan was retiring.

The Fisc Reports were Joint Publications of the Taubman Center for State and Local Government, John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, and the Office of Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Thus they had no funding when Moynihan retired, and the incoming Bush Administration did nothing to continue them.

See the megabyte PDF final report, at http://www.hks.harvard.edu/taubmancenter/pdfs/fisc/complete_99.pdf
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:00 PM
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4. OMG she is claiming she's going to do something that Obama has already DONE???
Lies and the lying liers who tell them. :grr:

Ooooooo, that makes me angry! :grr: :grr: :grr:
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:06 PM
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7. Yup, she's way more stupid than we ever imagined.... what a great commercial for Obama, talk about
out of touch? This is what's out of touch, they're proposing things I already passed!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:01 PM
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5. too late Obama already did it
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 02:02 PM by Egnever
Are these people seriously going to use all of Obamas material?

Senate Passes Coburn-Obama Bill to Create Internet Database of Federal Spending

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn (R-OK) today hailed the Senate's passage of the "Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act," a bill that will create a Google-like search engine and database to track approximately $1 trillion in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans.

"By helping to lift the veil of secrecy in Washington, this database will help make us better legislators, reporters better journalists, and voters more active citizens," Obama said. "It's both unusual and encouraging to see interest groups and bloggers on the left and the right come together to achieve results. This powerful grassroots alliance shows that at the end of the day, Americans want to see Congress work together to get something done and not continue to engage in the partisan gridlock that so often brings Capitol Hill to a grinding halt."
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:06 PM
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6. Here is the public website itself
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:08 PM
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9. thnx Wes
Was looking for it and couldn't find it in my million bookmark mess.

Did she actually say this today?

If she did this is a great opening for making her look clueless.

Hope the media picks up on the fact that she is proposing something that is already done.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:08 PM
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8. IMO the Alaska 'Checkbook' is too fine-grained to be useful. It's at LINK
http://fin.admin.state.ak.us/dof/checkbook_online/index.jsp .

What do YOU think?

Until FY 1999, the Statistical Abstract of the US had a great table detailing expenses and revenues by state, and expense categories by state. (See http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/02statab/fedgov.pdf page 313).

You could see clearly how Blue states like Illinois and Delaware subsidize Red states like Alaska and Arizona.

But when the Republicans stole the Presidential Election and the report's patron Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan retired at the same time in Y2K, this very useful report disappeared. There still is a table in the Statistical Abstract detailing expenses by category and by state, but the "state balance of payment" information is gone.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:30 PM
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17. Thanks so MUCH. The website intro line is interesting:
"This is part of a national trend for governments to develop websites that allow constituents to view financial information in searchable formats. Such websites are widely considered to improve transparency into the financial operations of government."

A trend started by Obama's bill perhaps? His bill was passed in Sep 2006. It would be worth searching the legislatures tapes/transcripts of the bill that authorized this website to see when it passed and if the documentation mentioned Obama's bill as the impetus for Alaska's checkbook website.

I have yet to finish looking through the site to see if it is too fine-grained or not.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:08 PM
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10. Too bad McCaine won't be able to read it
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 02:09 PM by walldude
he's still learning how to send an e-mail... Maybe she can buy him an abacus..
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 01:30 PM
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25. McLame can always check it on his MacBerry
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 01:30 PM by Jennicut
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:29 PM
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16. Oops, Ms. Holier-Than-Thou is off on the wrong track again.
Will she put McBush's 100 years of war checkbook online or keep it buried as Shrub has done? Let's tell this lady we all want our houses painted and see if she'll promise that, too. Maybe I should say those of us who still have our houses.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:55 PM
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18. Help! I've looked around Palin's Alaska "checkbook" website and can't find ANY Revenues
such as earmark revenues from the feds, taxes from oil companies, state income taxes, etc.

Sheesh - it's not a "checkbook" without both income and expenditures.

Did I miss something?

http://fin.admin.state.ak.us/dof/checkbook_online/index.jsp
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 04:19 PM
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20. Holy cow... they are setting new benchmarks in dumb

What's next? Her proposal to paint naval vessels gray?

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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:07 PM
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21. LOL... thanks for the chuckle.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:11 PM
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22. I'm glad the article mentions Obama's bill.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:21 PM
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23. She does realize that the Federal govt. doesn't have a checking account, right?
Please?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 01:35 PM
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26. Better yet, let's put the Iraqi occupation checkbook online...
I'd also like to see a line by line itemization of how much we spend on Darth Cheney's living expenses, travel and health care.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 01:37 PM
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27. She's going to put the nations' debit card number online after that
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