NPR Debate Part II

[brainshrub]

Because the first thread is getting to long.

[Fleshdancer]

1. Thanks Brainshrub!

[ShimokitaJer]

2. Thanks, brainshrub

[ProudToBeLiberal]

3. yay thanks nt

[janx]

4. Thank you!

Kerry and religion...

[ShimokitaJer]

5. Question on "unpopular" decisions

[ShimokitaJer]

8. Did I misunderstand the question?

I thought it was about voting for unpopular positions based on personal principles, but everyone's treating it like it means voting based on religious beliefs.

[Gulf Coast J]

6. I really like this format

No pandering to the audience, less sound bytes, less interruptions. I wish all debates could be like this.

[JI7]

11. i always thought it would be better without audience

i always thought debates would be more informative without an audience.i'm not watching this one, but who is attending and who isn't ?

[Gulf Coast J]

30. No audience at this one

I'm pretty sure that the host said there was no audience. Just the crew.

[Fleshdancer]

7. ha! I accidentally posted on the dupe. Kerry's answer was great

on religion by the way.

[janx]

9. Yes it was.

.

[zulchzulu]

17. Why wasn't Dean asked?

[janx]

20. I have no idea.

Maybe they had to move on.

[1gobluedem]

51. Questions are from listeners

The majority of the questions (in fact, all, I think) were e-mailed by listeners asking specific questions of specific candidates.

[Fleshdancer]

10. Gep: I'm a Democrat because of what the church taught me. help poor etc

[Fleshdancer]

12. Dean: did not give tax breaks in Vermont to Burmuda

will keep medicare, will keep social security.

Now, about temper. Campaign is about hope and empowering people to have hope again. (as a Deanie, I agree with his campaign giving people hope)

[janx]

13. Dean's talking about his campaign.

It's marvelous how proud of it he is.

[brainshrub]

14. I hate it when people accuse Dean of being angry!

He's empowering them, not makeing them angry. Bu$h is the one who is pissing people off.

[ShimokitaJer]

19. Me too. I liked his answer though

We have good reason to be angry with Bush, but the Dean campaign is about hope, not about anger.

[janx]

15. Kerry's after Dean again.

.
Conan hinted at sticking to the question.

[adadem]

16. Asking Dean about his anger

good answer... Kerry now after him on tax breaks for corps.

[Fleshdancer]

18. Kerry: Dean in Vermont wanted to compete with Bermuda tax breaks

(heaven forbid the money and companies should stay in this country)

[Fleshdancer]

21. What do you have to offer to conservative Dems Kucinich?

Kucinich: I voted against the Patriot Act. I want to conserve the air, water, jobs. Withdrawing from NAFTA and WTO. I can bring in all types of people.

[revcarol]

31. Great answer.

Many conservatives hate the Patriot Act.

[Fleshdancer]

22. HA! Lieberman thinks he's a unifyer!!! cute.

[Don Claybrook]

23. Lieberman is a unifier. He said so.

Conan asked Lieberman how he would appeal to "the other side". I wondered which side Conan was talking about.

[janx]

24. Lieberman after Dean now.

"Anger"

Lieberman, give up. Dean just TOLD you the campaign is about hope.

[ShimokitaJer]

25. Lieberman is a "unifier" who doesn't want to "polarize"

and I think we all know what that means.

He's loyal to the Democratic party, but he's more loyal to the American people... does that mean that he thinks they aren't compatible or what?

[Don Claybrook]

26. Dean reminds Lieberman that Gore endorsed him

Lieberman deserved the gut-punch.

[brainshrub]

27. Howard Dean a polarizer?

Lieberman should look in the mirror sometime.

Should Dems just be accommodating?

[zulchzulu]

79. New idea! Snowmobile races for the candidates! In Iowa!

[janx]

28. GO DEAN! The right-wing does not represent America!

He will not accomodate that one.

[ALago1]

29. Lieberman gave Dean a compliment...

...as a lead in to attack him on not uniting the party.


Dean responded nicely, citing Gore & Bradley endorsement.

[janx]

32. Cue music...

[Fleshdancer]

34. CMB on piano?

[Fleshdancer]

33. Lieb: Dean is a polarizer. need message of unity, ideas, & hope

Dean: That's what I'm doing. Bradley AND Gore endorsements prove it. Inside and outside DC supporters. Clinton did great job bringing people together, but you cannot compromise to people like Tom DeLay.

Dean: I have history as Gov. as bringing Dems and Repubs together.

Gep: we can't beat bush by agreeing with bush on trade (yet the Iraqi war is okay Gep) We need bold ideas on healthcare, energy, jobs.

CMB: still wants to take men only sign off the door (this line is getting old for this feminist)

BATHROOM BREAK!

[Fleshdancer]

35. Lieberman: No litmus test for judges. names Jose Cambranas (sp?)

[Fleshdancer]

36. where did everybody go? did you start a new thread without me?

[Fleshdancer]

37. Dean: I will NOT cut Medicare Dick!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

43. Dean: "I will not cut Medicare"

He's still hewing to the Republican line that a cut in the growth rate is not a cut.

[janx]

38. You cannot accomodate right-wing zealots!

They cannot be accomodated.

[brainshrub]

39. I will not cut Medicare!

Way to go Dean!!!

[cryofan]

57. But dean was in favor of cutting Medicare when he was governor of Vermont!

read Dean's own words:

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16


The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml

Looks like Dean says whatever he thinks will get him votes at the moment. Dean is like some kind of chameleon, changing from conservative to liberal depending on who he is trying to get votes from.....

[zulchzulu]

67. Details details...

[cryofan]

69. Huh? Did you not read the long, footnoted article given as source?

Or are you just being disingenuous?

[Don Claybrook]

40. Dean: "I will not cut MediCare....DICK!" n/t

[ShimokitaJer]

44. Did he just call Lieberman a dick?

nt

[Don Claybrook]

46. No, he was replying to Gephardt

But there was a pause, and a definite stress on that last word. He almost spat it out.

[Fleshdancer]

47. sadly no. It was a response to Gephardt.

[Hoppin_Mad]

48. If the shoe fits . . . ;-) -eom-

[Hoppin_Mad]

41. Dean " We can not accomodate right wing zealots Joe " -eom-

[janx]

42. Federalist Society!

!!!

[janx]

49. Joe tried to make it sound as if Dean thought all Republicans

are right-wing zealots, right after Dean praised a Republican Vermont Supreme Court Justice as a model!

[Fleshdancer]

45. Dean: I never ask what party you belong to, I don't care. (judges)

[NWHarkness]

50. Lieberman!!

He just objected to the other candidates criticizing Republicans.


At least he's loyal to his friends.

[Hoppin_Mad]

55. Let's urge Joe to run against chimp - as a REPUG ! -eom-

[Fleshdancer]

52. Kucinich: political extremism grows when leaders are polarized

Got to be careful to not defend this house. This eagle needs to two wings fly. (good one Kucinich!)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

53. Great answer from Kucinich on bipartisanship. n/t

[adadem]

62. Yes...he's right.

need both wings to fly

[Fleshdancer]

54. Gep and Kerry squabling over Kerry's social security thing

[janx]

56. Geppy on Republicans...

He thinks he has the ability to change the atmosphere.

Then why hasn't he done it so far?

[Fleshdancer]

58. Gay marriage....Kucinich and CMB gave best answers...YES.

[Fleshdancer]

60. the semantic war on Gay marriage/civil unions is STUPID!

[janx]

65. I could not agree with you more.

.

[Fleshdancer]

66. If we pass civil unions, then I'm going to change my marriage

certificate into a civil union certificate. I want my relationship to be considered just the same and just as important as homosexual relationships.

[ShimokitaJer]

70. I disagree

Ask a heterosexual married couple if they are willing to have their legal relationship changed from "marriage" to "civil union" and see what they say? If they have no objection, that's when the institutions are truly equal.

[Fleshdancer]

78. My point is that a marriage is a marriage....

having to call it civil unions is what I think is stupid.

[ShimokitaJer]

87. In that case I agree

Sorry to misinterpret you

[Fleshdancer]

93. After reading my first post, I understand why you would misinterpret

I wasn't clear.

[ShimokitaJer]

59. Should marriage be between a man and a woman? yes or no?

Kucinich: no
Lieberman: yes
Carol Mosley Braun: no
Kerry: civil unions
Gephardt : civil unions
Dean: we chose civil unions. should be up to the states

[Feanorcurufinwe]

61. Lieberman reaffirms his support for DOMA n/t

[revcarol]

63. Kucinich: calling all repugs zealots takes away

possiblity to work with them on specific issues: example he uses: Patriot Act.

[janx]

64. It's funny because the things the others say support

Dean's signing the civil unions bill.

[Fleshdancer]

68. my feed is going out

[adadem]

71. Talking about immigration

and earned legalization

[janx]

72. This is a good question about immigration reform.

Nobody else has asked the candidates about this.

[revcarol]

92. Kucinich aced that one.

of course, he actually went on part of that immigrant tour. Walks the walk.

[janx]

73. Kucinich on trumpet...

.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

75. dean on guitar :P nt

[zulchzulu]

86. That was Kerry/Dean duet

[Fleshdancer]

94. like dueling banjos???

[zulchzulu]

102. I thought Sharpton won

Actually it was a good debate for all the candidates...

[iowapeacechief]

101. Say it right, Neil Conan!

KOO-sin'-itch
not
KEW-sin'-itch

[brainshrub]

74. I didn't know CMB could play the guitar. (nt)

[janx]

76. Snowmobile limit in Yellowstone.

...

They all want limits.

Dean wants Park Service to decide, not Congress.

[ShimokitaJer]

77. snowmobiles? Is this really a national issue?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

82. It's a national park n/t

[zulchzulu]

83. It's a big Iowa winter issue

Kidding...

[Fleshdancer]

84. It's certainly not an issue here in TX! lol

[janx]

89. It's a matter of conservation/environment.

They're getting into environmental matters.

Edit: national because it's a national park

[janx]

80. Water conservation...Dean.

He understands this one as well.

[Fleshdancer]

81. speak in the the microphone Dean.

[adadem]

85. Good question - building homes in danger areas

dumb answer by Lieberman...national issue that affects everybody's insurance rates

[Fleshdancer]

88. How do we prevent forest fires???

Gep: Bush increased problems in this area. Clinton had a good policy. Would be in favor for removing brush if it's needed.

[Fleshdancer]

90. Kerry: Yes, obesity is a problem. (as if he or anyone would say "no")

[Fleshdancer]

91. Kucinich: Health education is included in universal healthcare plan

CMB: We need single payer.

[Hoppin_Mad]

95. Kerry's closing statement starts with an attack on Dean

" You cant beat bush by being bushlite, but you can't beat him if you're light on National Security or foreign policy experience '

F*** you Kerry

[Fleshdancer]

96. I wish Kucinich would be clear on his plan on Iraq. lol

Who goes in? Who goes out?? :P

[janx]

97. All good things got to come to an end and it's the same with the

wild wood weed...

[revcarol]

98. Kerry irritating me.

Going on and on about temperament of President. OK, Kerry why are YOU better?

[Hoppin_Mad]

99. He's wooden like an old dead tree ;-) -eom-

[Feanorcurufinwe]

103. Good.

[brainshrub]

100. I am now posting a poll to see who we think did the best job.

I think Kucinich kicked some serious booty.

[revcarol]

104. Kucinich missed a great opportunity in his closing.

The war in Iraq is not only a foreign policy issue. It's a DOMESTIC issue. As long as we spend billions there and on bloated defense budget, our country suffers domestically.

:(