Since Dean's 'Ameirca is not safer' comment

[JasonDeter]

there has been alerts and fighter escorts and every other rash reaction from bushshite* to Dean's comment I mean to supposed possibilities of terror attacks. Dean is bushshites WMD. Dean scares the hell out of bushshite*.

[meegbear]

1. Oh OK ....

that makes sense.

[Hep]

2. America is not safer?

But I just removed the duct tape and plastic from my house! We caught an old guy in a hole, I just thought NATURALLY we are safer now.

[thebgrkng]

3. Does anyone agree...

...that there are a lot of things out in the world that could make us safer. Removing one of those things does not make us safe. But removing Saddam is critical for any success in Iraq.

Nobody has said 'Saddam is caught', everyone is safe now.

[Hep]

4. Not the point

Dean said that the average american is not safer because we caught Saddam. He's absolutely right. Saddam was out of power, had no proven connection with the insurgence, and was dug out of a hole.

Weeks later the terror threat level goes to orange, dozens ofUS soldiers have been killed in Iraq, and thingslook little if at all better.

Where is the actual argument that we are in the LEAST bit safer with Saddam caught?

[thebgrkng]

12. Those aren't related

I don't see those as related things. And more importantly it weakens our (the Dems) case that Iraq was not a step in the War on Terror.

It would have been fine to say 'while this is great news for iraq (he said this more or less) it does not change the fact that saddam didnt have anything to do with al queda and al queda is still gunning for us.

since we are in Iraq, we will be safer when our troops are home and we dont have to worry about such things. And this was a critical step in doing that.

Bush clearly has to go, but we've got to be rational in what we say or we won't convince the people who don't agree with us. This is what i do. I imagine Dean or Clark or Kerry as President the same day catching Saddam, and it would still be a great step. We have to be willing to admit when things go well, or people won't believe us when things go wrong.

[Upfront]

16. Again

Total bull shit, and anyone with a brain gets it!

[Cheswick2.0]

8. I disagree that we needed "sucess" in Iraq to begin with

If Saddam was not a threat to us or his neighbors what exactly is all this sucess in Iraq about? Please don't tell me liberating the Iraqi people. Our government doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people.

[thebgrkng]

13. I'm not disagreeing with you.

But there are no do-overs. You can't un-invade. We made a mess, we have to fix it. Capturing Saddam was part of the fix. Its great to say this was a mistake in the first place, look at the loss of life and loss of friends and stature and fortune.

but you can't say that and not have a plan for making the current situation better.

capturing saddam should be on anyones plan for fixing iraq.

[Upfront]

15. Ah, Sorry, Bush Did!

Bull shit, Bush said we are safer, Dean said, crap, we are not, who is right? Dean is, wake up!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. If I have bad brakes in my car, and I fix them

my car is safer. That doesn't mean I should stop buckling my seatbelt.

[Hep]

6. Actually, your car is not safer

You are safer in your car.

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[Scott Lee]

9. Saddam's capture was no brake repair job.

It was more akin to vacuuming out your carseats.

Did it make you safer to suck out the cheesy-poofs from the cracks in the drivers seat? Not in the least. It just makes your interior nicer looking.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. and while you were sucking the cheesy-poofs.......

you sucked up the baby, your grandmother and the family dog! Everybody happy now?

[Cheswick2.0]

10. If we just removed all the other cars from the world

You wouldn't have to be worried at all.

[TexasSissy]

14. Boing! Bush headed him off at the pass by saying upfront

after Hussein's capture that the terrorism would not end or possibly not lessen because of it. Rove is beginning to think ahead. Bush is doing better, now that Cheney has stepped back a bit and Rove has taken over for election purposes.