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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:28 PM Original message |
Barack there are plenty of MATH AND SCIENCE grads .. .what happened to them |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. However, there isn't a great interest among American students to go into PhD programs. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Fuck you ... if you can't get hired as an BS or MS what the fuck is a Ph.D. gonna do? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Why the hostility? I'm merely stating a fact. And, please, Americans have an incredible advantage |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. No, you are a trolll period 'nuf said Anybody with a question this is a foreign agent |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. FYI: TBP TX Theta |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Are you drunk? n/t |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Yes! Sorry I had to listen to McCain |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Lol. Yes I am certainly a troll. Grow up. You simply don't understand academic science. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. And you do not know what TBP is do you? moran |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Tau Beta Pi IIRC. It means you're an engineer. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. And do you know what MSTP is? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. So you can update our military hardware and keep our nation safe? not! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Hmm. I guess nobody gives a shit about curing cancer anymore. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
75. Uhhmm |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
103. wow cool a scientist |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Back off. Kristi isn't the troll here. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Thanks. It's kind of odd to have someone come in and suggest I don't know my own field. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Really .. and yet you still post no references. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Check out the following NIH Programs: |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. He's already said he's drunk. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I'm so deprived ... living on the water in W Pam Beach ... fuck I just want somebody to cover me |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. We'd all like that... |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. Please prove the "fact" that more American science grads are |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. Here you go. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
78. WTF are you talking about? Academia? That's not the issue with H1Bs |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Plenty of H1Bs in academia. Postdocs, Research associates... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. co-sponsored by their host country ... too bad you're American. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. The point is, at least in academia, foreign nationals tend to get stuck in mid-level positions. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. And, outside Academia? |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
88. Chicks man. Us Ph.D.s score like Gretzky. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Why? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Um, I'm in a PhD program now. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. So... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Um, I wasn't. You consider an MD an insult? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
105. You are exactly right - I heard "overqualified" a lot when I was between jobs |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. "Americans by and large are not INTERESTED in doing them.", thx needs to be brought out |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Lol. That you're even arguing this tells me IMMEDIATELY that you are not currently in a PhD program |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Let's face it .. .education is nowhere. If McCain is elected we may as well take up mowing lawns .. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
84. I thought there was also a problem with a glut of PhDs and not enough academic positions to take |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Still tough, but due to NIH funding restrictions and not H1B's. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. delete; dupe |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Unfortunately, NIH funding issues are making it harder as well. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. That's really interesting. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Shit. That's insane. :-O |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. I'd love to get a Ph.D. Hell, I'd love to get a Master's. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Are you in the sciences? nt |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
83. No, my degree is in liberal arts. If I had it to do over again, I would have |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Yeah. I don't deny that you all have a much harder path. |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Yeah, I agree. My husband *just* got a better-paying, job, though. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. If you get one ... there's a foreign H1-B (temporary visa) will work for less than your mortgage |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Many grad programs fund their students. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Once upon a time .... (you're dreaming) |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Um, I'm in a fully funded PhD program right now. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. It wasn't until well after I was out of grad school that I realized there were programs.... |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Exactly... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. No, I'm wide awake and typing on a computer bought with my stipend. |
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endthewar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. There is some good interest to go into PhD programs |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. So am I. But most of my undergraduate colleagues chose medical school instead. |
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endthewar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Well, it does pay more money |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. And it's more glamorous. |
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endthewar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Not exactly more glamorous. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. You'd be amazed how quickly you adapt. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not American ones there aren't.... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It doesn't take a rocket scientist |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yeah okay. It seems that you don't understand how academic science is funded. nt |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. Uhhmm... I think you're talking about two different things. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. For the sciences... |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
100. Hmm, so "grant writing" should be a part of the Sciences curriculums? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. There are oodles of jobs for American math/physics majors - especially grad.... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. When the US quit paying, the best of America went elsewhere. US is the best, pay them and find out |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
54. Spoken like someone who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
97. you would like to speak to my friend. |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. certainly not outsourcing rocket scientist |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Great...so geniuses are starved to death |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
102. huh? |
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chiefofclarinet (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Think about why it is being outsourced |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. To ask a question I think Thunder might, if he weren't so drunk... |
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chiefofclarinet (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
104. To answer your question, no. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. I apologize, but the posting infers US students are not motivated. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. asdf |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. can we get some context? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. you can try www.cuntry.com for a full essay. |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. Listen to what passes as political discourse... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Thanks, I'm an educated (GI bill), beer drinking, gun owning vet |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Ah, beer drinking. Well, that explains this ridiculous post. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Get back to us when you are sober. Might want to put the guns away for now, too... nt |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. asdf |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Fuck you!! |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Wonder if you would use the "sober" & "guns"attacks against a woman |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Might want to check my profile. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I'm a vet ... been drunk with locked/loaded M16, but then so was everybody else:-) |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. What? |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. Thunder... if you're still there... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I'm having fun. You can bet there are some foreign interests here. But I understood your post |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
46. Nerd WAR!!! |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I've carried an M-16 too. Sharpshooter |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. Actually, no. There aren't |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. No ... you're wrong ... go back to your fucking corporation HR dept. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. The world's smallest upside: my job security is at damn near astronomical levels. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
64. Oh, and thunder rising, just so you know. I'm going throught this brutal 14 year training program.. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. That's a technical degree? 12 yrs + 2? TBP = top 10% of American engineers .. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Not exactly. |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-11-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
81. K & R, thunder rising |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
98. I have a science degree. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-12-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Ahh, I feel your pain |
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