Hell just froze over!..The reddest republican

[Peacetrain]

I have ever known, has thrown down the gauntlet this afternoon and refuses to vote for McCain/Palin

This is a narrow focus right to life republican.

Will he vote Obama, not a chance in this life or the next.

But you will never believe what has him refusing to vote McCain/Palin. That pig with the lipstick.

They got too cute by half, with the web ad etc. I just finished talking to this gentleman,and he is livid, I mean livid at the out right lies. For what ever reason, this pig with the lipstick, stuck that these people were lying. And the fact that the McCain campaign continues to promote this as some attack on Palin, has him beside himself. That and that bridge to nowhere. She is a liar too. How did he put it.. "A nest of liars"

His conclusion that if they are such outright liars, they can be trusted with nothing they say. So he is not going to vote for them. And this guy is a real motor mouth who influences those low info voters.

Who would have thought that something like this would switch a light bulb on. How many others out there are being influenced the same way?

I think I need a cup of coffee, I am still in shock.

[SoonerPride]

1. Have him and all his friends vote Bob Barr.

Seriously

[Peacetrain]

6. I just spent 40 minutes listening to him vent

I could not get a word in edgewise, he is so mad. Some guy on cnn that was talking to Carville, really set him off. I guess instead of backing down, the guy on cnn said basically it was Obamas fault because he could not handle the lies. I have no idea exactly what he is talking about. But hey good for our side.

[roguevalley]

53. tell him, peacetrain, that she took per dium for staying home and

cooking her own meals. 312 times I might add. How about that for sticking it to the taxpayers.

[Peacetrain]

55. A guaranteed coronary roguevalley

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

60. heh-heh-heh ... one down and ...

:evilgrin:

[Peacetrain]

61. Well I am taking a copy from Wiki of Barr to give to this guy

Great suggestion from another poster! He will never vote Obama, so I am going to gently show him another direction. Not a computer sort of fella. Also bumping this up for the morning crew. :kick:

[MurrayDelph]

65. Actually, she took the per-diem

while her cook (under a new title, and separate account to make it LOOK like she'd fired the cook) cooked her meals.

[Peacetrain]

67. I missed that.. are you serious

She did not actually fire the cook.. just like that dang bridge.. she really does talk out of both sides of her mouth.

[CitizenLeft]

57. GOOD... I'm so glad to hear it.

Who knows, maybe he'll even change his mind and listen to Obama and give him a chance. And if not... I'll take one more Republican staying home. Good for him.

[SpiralHawk]

2. Republicons lies & spin: the necessary meme of the election

because so true...

Call them on their lies and spin over and over and over, all 8 stinking years of it.

[Ian David]

Did you suggest he vote for Bob Barr? n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. Yes, Barr or Baldwin would be a good suggestion

[Ian David]

39. Not Stephen Baldwin? n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

59. LOL No, but this Chuck Baldwin guy is a RW minister so maybe not that far off.

[Peacetrain]

40. Baldwin??? NT

[GreenPartyVoter]

58. Chuck Baldwin. Runing on the Constitution Party ticket, I think

[Curtland1015]

3. Amazing!

:toast:

I knew this "Karl Rove" crap would come back to bite them in the ass one day!

[Peacetrain]

16. Just what finally gets to people

you never know. I guess it proves we can leave no stone unturned.:toast:

[Blarch]

4. Why would you associate with...

anti-American facists ?

The only words I exchange with them are FUCK YOU.

[Peacetrain]

10. you can't pick up and move away from the

neighbors. It was amazing though. He is a pain in the rear, but what can you do

[Blarch]

25. You can tell him to fuck off.

Why make small talk with a traitor ? Why treat him as a equal ?

[Peacetrain]

27. Nahhh,,, Think I am going to take the advice of some

others in the thread, and point him toward to Barr. A vote for Barr is a vote for us in this case.

[Blarch]

31. If you are treating these people

with respect, and as a equal ...then you have failed your nation.

[sudopod]

62. I hope you never try to run a campaign

lol

[JuniperLea]

13. My father was a life-long, staunch Republican...

WAS. I never gave up... and he surprised me and registered as a Dem for the primary and now supports Obama.

Never give up. Never act like they do.

[Name removed]

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[Peacetrain]

Oh good for your Dad!!

I just wrote to someone else in the thread, that my Dad died in July of 2007, but he had just started seeing Obama, and said he is going to be something. I know he would have been an ardent supporter.!

For your Dad and mine. :patriot:

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

35. Mine too!

Will vote Dem for the first time EVER!

[northernlights]

43. keep your enemies close to you

You need to understand Obama's insistence that we talk to our enemies.

How can you influence them if you greet them with "fuck you?" Not that I don't understand your desire to greet them that way.

You just never know what is going to turn them.

[Odin2005]

64. Quit being an ass.

I have a good friend and co-worker who is a staunch Republican (He was supporting McCain until Palin's BS disgusted him, now he's planning on voting for Obama). We like to give each other hell when it comes to politics but that doesn't make us any less friends.

Your totalitarian black-and-white "if you don't agree with me you are evil" attitude is exactly the kind of BS Obama criticized back at his 2004 convention speech.

[Libby2]

5. You have that coffee, I will have a shot of tequila

Cheers!

[Peacetrain]

8. Make that a double

:)

[Xipe Totec]

7. Tell him to get some rest

we'll take care of voting for Obama, so he doesn't have to feel like he betrayed his party.

[JuniperLea]

9. I'm proud to say...

My life-long, staunch Republican father registered as a Democrat for the primary so he could vote for Hillary... and he is now a rabid Obama supporter!!!

I love my dad:)

[Peacetrain]

12. How wonderful!!

Hey I love your dad too... My dad died last in July of 2007, just as Barack was getting started. He said this guy is something. I think he would have been a supporter also. :hi:

[JuniperLea]

15. Hugs... so sorry about your dad...

:hug:

Good to know he got the clue before he had to leave~! :hi:

[kwenu]

11. Their tactics smell like Rove. Seeing them go down in flames using Rove tactics is a joy.

[Peacetrain]

14. It may take me the rest of the night

to get my equilibrium back. The world just tilted on its axis. My hope is there are millions out there waking up right now.. and it took a pig with lipstick to do it

[beac]

17. Hurrah!

This is why we will win-- because Twitler & Moosolini offer SO many different opportunities and reasons to despise them. They are a buffet of disgust-- something for everyone! :bounce:

[Peacetrain]

19. Moosolini .. Love it NT

[mitchum]

18. Tell him that Bob Barr is a great candidate

[Peacetrain]

21. Yep, there are a couple of suggestions in the thread

in here on that. I am going to wait till the neighbor cools down. He was that mad. I know he will not vote Obama, but voting Barr is the same as voting Obama for our purposes.

[eshfemme]

20. Wow, this is why I keep wondering why all this anecdotal evidence isn't reflected in the polls.

There's just something so fishy with how the current polls and media is structured because it's just not reflecting the reality that most people live in.

[Peacetrain]

23. Again, I am just floored at what turned this guy around

I wonder if it is effecting others out there like that. It was the lie and about the pig and keeping it on the front burner

[eshfemme]

32. Well, people do love their idioms!

:lol: It's just weird that it was the "lipstick on the pig" that did it for him but hey, whatever works!

[Peacetrain]

34. Who knew, it would be something like that!

That is what floored me so. Of all the things in the last 8 years, that was the one that sank in. As another poster in the thread pointed out.. It was because Obama called it out as a lie. I think that poster was right. :)

[eshfemme]

41. I actually welcomed that Obama said LIE instead of the PC correct "spin"

When it's a lie, it's not spinning-- you are lying! I really love how Obama and Biden are such honest people who are just trying to wean us back onto the right path of doing right after so long. It's a really hard job and I really commend them.

[Peacetrain]

42. Oh my GOD, I have been looking at some other threads

it looks like the media has been calling them out on the nightly news too. WOW. this is just wonderful

[eshfemme]

46. Yeah, it's kinda amazing how Obama's use of one word just opened the floodgates

I don't even know how "spin" just replaced the usage of the word lie-- but somehow, Obama using it seems to have let the media realize, "Hey, we can use that as a word to describe what's going on!" And seriously, they don't even need to worry about libel or slander lawsuits because a) they are talking about public figures who bear a heavier burden of proof; b) lie is actually being used correctly and is an accurate representation of the situation; c) if the McCain campaign tries to further their whining by doing any sort of lawsuit, they lose political points; d) the McCain campaign only has room to "spin" if it's only spinning as it deals with truth as a relative value but they can't argue with the absolute value of a lie or the truth.

So, yeah, I don't know if the whole lipstick on a pig thing was planned or what but Obama's adjustment was genius. What I'd like to see though is for him to push the message that Obama/Biden = the FUTURE of CHANGE and McCain/Palin = PAST and MORE OF THE SAME.

[Peacetrain]

52. eshfemme, that first paragraph would be such a great

stand alone thread. :thumbsup:

[eshfemme]

54. Thanks, I'll consider making a thread along those lines. :)

[Oak2004]

68. Polls lag

People take time to process information (that is, information other than of the "shocking scandal" variety). "McCain is a liar" is the sort of concept people mull over a bit before reaching, and then making a change.

Additionally many of the polls are taken as if there are only two possible choices. Most of the Bob Barr protest voters, when squeezed into an either-or situation, will name McCain over Obama.

There may also be other factors, such as a "reverse Bradley" effect: my mother is now solidly behind Obama, but does not want the neighbors to know she will vote for a black man.

[eshfemme]

70. Huh, I didn't realize there was a "reverse Bradley" effect.

That's interesting-- how many people do you think there are that will vote for Obama but refuse to reveal that?

[Oak2004]

71. I don't know

I'd be better able to venture a guess if I was living back in the militantly white southwest suburbs of Chicago, an area that makes Alabama look liberal on race issues. There, you can get harassed for having a black cleaning lady clean your house and the worker threatened (a mistake made by one of my older relatives once). And I occasionally get long, detailed, angry and frightened telephone reports about an (note the singular particle) African American family seen shopping at a nearby mall. My family overall is more race-insane than most (I have close relatives who've flirted with neo-nazism), but unfortunately they're not much outside of the mainstream over there.

But though I still have family on the southwest side, I have not lived there for decades. I'm now apparently part of the "eastern liberal elite" or something, here in Burlington VT (even though my "eliteness" today involves threatening to sue the Burlington Housing Authority, which is refusing to allow seizure-prone residents in its public housing project for the elderly and disabled to cover the strobe lights it has installed with its new fire alarm system. You know, us public housing elitists).

[Barack_America]

22. Quick! Sell him on Bob Barr while he's seething!

Chances are he will vote for someone and you don't want him reverting to McCain.

Think he might like this?

"Political positions in Congress

See also: Political positions of Bob Barr

During his tenure, Barr was regarded as one of the most conservative members of Congress.<27> In 2002, he was described as "the idol of the gun-toting, abortion-fighting, IRS-hating hard right wing of American politics".<22> However, Barr's criticism of the Bush administration's policies on privacy and other civil liberties after the 9/11 attacks was unusual among House Republicans (see Criticism of Bush Administration below).<22> This criticism earned Barr other labels such as maverick,<22> Jekyll-and-Hyde,<28> and libertarian.<24>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr

[Peacetrain]

24. He's not the computer type

But you know, I am going to copy that information down and just give it to him tomorrow. Tell him I came across this.

[Waiting For Everyman]

26. Thank you! God bless 'im! It's the lying, I agree.

We take this Rove-esque lying for granted now. We just expect it, that's how it is. BULL!!! We got lied into a war, and people needn't worry about lies? Lies of this magnitude? This frequency? And this is only the campaign, imagine if those two were in office?

I'm glad Obama is using the word "lie" instead of kinder words. But the lying is a big hammer to use against both McC and Pale... and the bonus is, in straightening out the lies most issues can be dealt with at the same time. Fixing this has to get aggressive.

That's the most encouraging thing I've heard in a while.

[Peacetrain]

29. You are right! That is probably the difference

Obama did not mince, called it out as lies, and the media addressed it as lies then showing where McCain did the same thing. That is what finally hit home with this guy. Thank you, I was trying to figure out what it was that got to him. Calling it what it was.. YES!

[Midlodemocrat]

30. LOL. That same thing happened to me in June, even before Palin.

It was delicious.

[Peacetrain]

33. It is delicious, .. I hope he fired a letter off to the McCain office

He is a good letter writer, the neighbor. I would love to see their faces if he did. It would be a stormy one. I am fully expecting to see a letter to the editor from him in the next few days. This guy does not mince words

[Midlodemocrat]

36. When it happened to me, it was in our backyard during my

daughter's party for high school graduation. Right after he said he was voting for Obama, thunder clapped. We all had to run inside.

:rofl:

Even God was shocked. Pleased, but shocked.

[Peacetrain]

37. That is awsome

When they finally get it, they get it so BIG.. The thunder part, now that was good. :rofl:

[Midlodemocrat]

56. Isn't that funny? Best part we hadn't noticed that a storm

was moving in, so it seriously was a complete shock. :rofl:

[Waiting For Everyman]

44. Please let us know, if he does. I'd be interested in reading it.

:)

I can imagine your shock, btw. So cool!

Along the lines you said, you never know what will "click" with someone.

[Peacetrain]

45. I absolutely will post it in here..

You can take that to the bank. :hi:

[bedazzled]

47. charlie gibson showed three clips of mccain using "lipstick/pig" tonight

and you know what a lapdog he is.

they overreached with this one. it's too
obviously a stretch...

[Peacetrain]

49. I think your are right.

It was just too much. And they did not back off the lie, and finally, finally after all these years, the press is catching on too.. how wonderful is that

[bedazzled]

51. it's lovely to see obama handling it just right -- issues! issues!

he's not letting them hamstring him like kerry did.

hope he keeps it up...

[Meshuga]

48. Threre are two Republicans in my team at work

One is voting for Obama (in Virginia) and the other is not voting because he cannot stand Palin and he could not vote for a Democrat. So that is 1 and 1/2 advantage right there. :-)

[Peacetrain]

50. Ahh Mr Wiggles.

It is true then, Virginia is for lovers and great politicians Birthplace of presidents, the next blue state. (fingers crossed!). What an awesome update. I know tomorrow we will have the ups and downs that are typical with an election, but GOD I am enjoying tonight. :)

[Solomon]

63. I can't help but feel that some of these outraged republicans will

spew now but suck it up when it comes times to vote and vote the wrong way anyway.

Even if we get just a percentage of these outraged republicans, it helps a lot though.

[Peacetrain]

66. We are not going to get this guy, but neither is McCain

That helps just as much!

[progressivebydesign]

69. I do believe that many republicans will vote for Obama in the privacy of the booth.

They will not be able to bring themselve to vote for McNasty/McPain, but they will never go around and ruin their republican street cred by saying they'd vote for Obama. They'd most likely vote for him (because I think Biden helps there cuz he seems so no-nonsense), out of fear that staying home or choosing Barr would allow McNasty/McPain to get into office.