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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:39 PM
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Oh Schuster just played a clip of Biden saying that Hillary would have been
a better vp pick then him.

:(

NO!!! Joe you are the right one!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:41 PM
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1. A polite statement from a gallant man
He will make a fine VP.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:41 PM
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2. Well, get ready to hear that line in the next wave of McCain attack ads
Come on Joe, I hope that quote was out of context.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:43 PM
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6. no, it wasn't out of context.
he said it flat out.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:33 PM
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22. He said it trying to praise Hillary when he got a question that was insulting Hillary
Yeah, Biden REALLY dropped the ball talking nice about Hillary. That will surely send the Hillary Democrats on the fence running to McCain. :crazy:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:08 AM
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12. I saw the speech -- he was merely praising her
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:41 PM
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3. He was saying it in response to someone from the audience saying something
critical of Hillary. He was defending her.


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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:44 PM
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7. Of couse. But of course the msm won't tell the whole story.
They have been suggesting this and now Biden gave them the opportunity to talk about it.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:49 PM
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9. Yes, the person at the microphone actually called her a thief....to his credit,
Joe let the asshole finish his rant, then chose to respectfully disagree. Joe should tolerance and respect for what the man had to say, and then proceeded to say he wasn't buying into the rant. Good job, Joey.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:56 AM
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13. This needs to be known..I saw
some thread up front that totally misinterpreted it.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:42 PM
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4. Very gracious guy! n/t
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:43 PM
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5. No way. Sen. Biden, You. Are. The. One.
I loves me some Biden! :loveya:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:46 PM
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8. He's a charmer. That deferential JRB.
Smooth as scotch (although I wouldn't know I never drink the shit :rofl: )

Okay, I gotta go, my cat is pissed at me for ignoring him these past 2 hours. He is on my keyboard. Nite!
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:55 PM
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10. He was defending Hillary, but
he went a bit overboard about it. He is Barak's choice, and the right choice. Standing up for her is one thing, but I think saying what he did was too much.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:00 AM
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11. no it was a common senatorial courtesy, BTW it's Barack
and thanks for your concern. :hi:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:00 PM
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14. well, that is what all the polling showed...
but Obama, in his great wisdom, made a personal choice rather than a political one.

We all better hope it was the right one...
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:02 PM
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15. Biden is the best choice and the right choice!
Can Hillary help him govern? No. Only Biden could do that for him. And do it quite well! I know a very large contingent of life-long conservative Republicans who are quite enthusiastic about Obama. A deal breaker for them would be to have HRC on his ticket. In fact, many more Indies and Moderates are lured to this ticket because of Biden, who gives Obama a much-needed boost in the foreign policy area. Don't get it twisted, ladies. HRC is disliked. The M$M only wants us to believe that she would be better which is a subtle form of racism and is highly insulting to Obama who has worked hard and has been disciplined throughout the entire nomination process. He earned it and should be afforded the respect to choose anyone he wants.

I am quite pissed off with Biden for his remarks but I'll get over. Biden was the best choice. He really is.

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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:09 PM
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19. Liberal--I agree
It's easy to slip back into that "it should have been Hillary" but 1) there would have been as many turned off as turned on by her; 2) Repukes would have had a wonderful target; 3) Palin would have still been the "star" because she's a Fundie. I would like to note here that the guy who asked the question sounds like a goddamn plant to me. Trying to get Biden to make some sexists "remark" because McCain wants to jump on everything and paint these two as anti-female.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:29 PM
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20. well, it's nice that you think that
I don't agree and neither did the polls...

"He earned it and should be afforded the respect to choose anyone he wants."

I guess Obama believed that, too. VP choices are generally more of a party consensus pick... at least they have been in the past. Maybe that's the "change" Obama kept talking about.

You repeat the usual canard that Hillary is disliked - when poll after poll showed that she not only helped him as VP, but that she was the stronger candidate against McCain.

And, as a bonus, you play the race card!

Well, that worked in the primary, sort of. It's not going to work in the GE.


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:30 PM
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23. Hillary *is* disliked by Indies and your feigned outrage and false assertion that I played
the race card is laughable! VP picks are NOT a party's decision. It is the candidate's decision. Sure, the party nominates but it has rarely happened, if ever, that a party goes against the candidate's choice for a running mate.

Attack me all you want; it doesn't change the facts. Don't replay the primaries. Your girl lost. Get over it.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/8/1200/19745

More here:

Obama and Independent Voters, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/obamas_independent_edge.html

April 29, 2008
Obama's Independent Edge

By John Avlon
It's electability, stupid.

That's what Hillary Clinton and her surrogates have been spinning to super-delegates and anyone else who will listen since she lost her grip on once-inevitable nomination.

There's just one problem - when it comes to independent voters, those crucial swing votes in swing states, Hillary doesn't hold the electability edge: Barack Obama does.

Independent voters favor Obama by a 2 to 1 margin over Hillary - 49% to 24% - according to a NBC/WSJ poll taken after the Jeremiah Wright scandal exploded in late March. His approval rating among Republicans is almost twice Hillary's as well - 19% to 10%.

Crossover appeal is the key indicator of electability - especially for Democrats. Despite Democratic dominance of Congress during most of the 20th Century, no Democratic president managed to win more than 51% of the popular vote, with the exceptions of FDR and LBJ. What's the lesson? Democrats especially depend on Independent voters and even some centrist Republicans to win the White House.

That's true now more than ever: Independent voters are the fastest growing and largest segment of the American electorate, as detailed in former Clinton and Bloomberg pollster Doug Schoen's new book "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System."

Obama's Independent edge has already had an impact in key 2008 swing states like Virginia, where independents made up 22% of the February 12th open primary. Obama won their support by a 2 to 1 margin, on his way to a 64-35 blowout victory.

It's not a coincidence that some of Obama's biggest wins have come from states with open primaries - such as South Carolina, Wisconsin, Idaho, Mississippi, Minnesota and Vermont. These states - stereotypically ranging from dark red to dark blue - offer the best gauge of his geographically diverse general election appeal. And each were among the 18 states that Obama has won by 20 points or more. Hillary, by comparison, has won only Arkansas and neighboring Oklahoma by that margin.

The next and last real battleground of the 2008 primaries, Indiana, is also an open primary. And while Pennsylvania's more than 1 million independent voters weren't allowed to vote in this past Tuesday's closed primary, you can bet they will determine who wins the Keystone State in November.

Ironically, the last Democratic presidential candidate who showed an Obama-like ability to win over Independent voters was Bill Clinton. Even against Independent candidate Ross Perot and Republican Bob Dole in 1996, Clinton won 47% of the Independent vote.

But luckily for Republicans, no political leader in the country has made deeper inroads to the independent vote over a longer time than Senator John McCain. His profile was forged in opposition to the Bush 2000 campaign and its Karl Rove playbook, as much as it was in the Hanoi Hilton. Instead of just playing to the base, McCain criticized out-of-control spending in Tom Delay's Congress, held hearings into ethics charges against Jack Abramoff, and worked productively with Democrats in the Senate.

McCain's maverick status angered many of the right-wing rank-and-file, but its paying off for the GOP now that he's their nominee. A new AP/Yahoo poll found that "The Arizona senator has made a race of the White House contest by attracting disgruntled GOP voters, independents and even some moderate Democrats who shunned his party last fall."

Evidence of Obama and McCain's overlapping independent appeal is seen in the NBC/WSJ poll response to the question "who can unite the country?" - a clear failing of the Bush administration. Obama and McCain were neck and neck with 60% and 58% respectively, while only 46% of voters believed that Hillary Clinton has that capacity.
Despite her largely centrist voting record in the Senate, Hillary Clinton is kryptonite to independent voters because she is one of the most polarizing figures in American politics. She is a brand-name reminder of Bush-Clinton-Bush era of hyper-partisanship that most independents want to leave behind.

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:05 PM
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16. Talk about mountains&molehills! He made a nice comment
and people are freaking out over it. Yes, Hillary would have ALSO been a fine choice. I would have been elated with either choice... and what Biden is showing is respect to Hillary, and good manners. People that have worked with both of them, understand that they are both experienced, tough, and would make excellent VPs or Presidents.

That's it. Why is this such a big deal???
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:05 PM
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17. Oh he was just being a gracious Irishman.. My family is Irish
and we do that all the time. Include everyone and acknowledge them. Obama is part Irish too, (his Irish hometown is Moneygall, isn't that funniest thing.), and he does that also.

Its genetic, what can I say, I do it myself. But it also shows what depth we had as a party, and how sad the republicans were when the best they could do was sarah palin.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:08 PM
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18. They are MAKING UP STORIES AGAIN. What a disservice they do!
I heard the remark in context. It was, as all upthread say, some kind words for Hillary in an off-the-cuff comment -- in response to a comment that dissed Hillary. It was not a statement of political commentary, or introspection.

:banghead:
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:32 PM
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21. I really don't care. I just want Biden to do his job.
Where the hell are the attacks? You hear nothing from Biden. Hillary refuses (thus far) to go after Palin. They are forcing Obama to be the bad cop and he is getting a lot of press on this. I think this may bite us in the ass, as McCain is coming across in his speeches as the good guy since Palin is doing the bad cop routine.

I like Biden and hope he steps up and does his job, freeing Obama to get back on message about unifying the country.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:36 PM
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24. That's where you are wrong.
Biden is out there every single day attacking gramps, but the media is ignoring him.

Myself and others are trying to post what he's been up to.
Unfortunately Dems have to do their own reporting because the msm isn't doing it for us.

Here's a thread I posted today where he discusses debating Momma Moose:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7031097
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