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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:30 AM
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I hate to say this -- But O'Reilly's Obama interview is most substantial and useful
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 07:31 AM by Armstead
Before you break out the bricks.....I dislike O'Liely as much as anyone.

But in his Monday interview with Obama, O'reilly did exactly what the goddam media SHOULD be doing. Discussing ISSUES and IDEOLOGY.

Of course O'Reilly is on the wrong side of the issues. But at least he is engaging Obama on what the real stakes are in this election, and the difference in the economic ideas of Obama and McCain.

And by so doing, forced Obama into a vigorous defense of his view of government, tax policy and what is wrong with GOP/McCain "trickle down" economics.

THAT's what this election is REALLY about. Do Americans want to continue the GOP/Reagan/McCain tradition of kowtowing to the economioc elites or do they want to return to a more balanced approach that actually recognizes that the interests of the middle class should trump those of the super rich?

So -- mumble,mumble -- kudos to O'Reilly for at least engaging Obama on the real issues.

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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:32 AM
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1. As long as he does the same with Her Highness
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:38 AM
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3. Nahhhh....
Since Obama was unafraid to go on the "No Spin Zone" shouldn't we expect the same from McCain/Palin?
Let 'em show up on Countdown.
Let's see Ms "Ready to go on the first day" go toe to toe w/Keith.

Hell, put it on pay-per-view and you could retire the national debt!

--MAB
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:37 AM
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2. I've been taking guilty pleasure in the Obama/O'Reilly interviews so far
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:49 AM
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4. I think it's good for Obama to go into the Lion's Dens
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:50 AM
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5. And Obama's ideas are reaching a mostly hostile audience
I haven't watched the interview, but from what I've read, including here, Obama has been able to get out his ideas. All but the brain dead one issue voters have to pause and wonder if maybe,just maybe, the man with the ideas is the man to vote for.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:50 AM
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6. An e-mail to "The Factor" from well-mannered liberals thanking
Mr. Orily for his fair and interesting conduct of the interview might have some good repercussions. The RW loves Billo and if they liked Obama, who knows? I'm going to send a thank you anyway, never hurts to smash that image of us old dirty liberal hippies.....LOL.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:02 AM
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7. Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm happy to hear that O'Reeeeeeally is actually conducting a professional interview for a change.

And kudos to Obama for braving the snake pit.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:25 AM
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8. The Interview Was a Joke

A few things stood out for me.

1) O'Reilly kept saying how total revenue went up 20% under Bush. But revenue increases do not really measure how good the country is doing, Obama nailed him on it, yet O'Reilly just kept saying it as if it was true. He must have thought he was still talking to the kool-aid drinkers who believe everything he says.

Contrary to a popular assumption, a disproportionate share of income taxes is paid by wealthy households, and their incomes are based much more on the swings of the stock market than on wages and salaries. About one-third of all income taxes are paid by households in the top 1 percent of income earners, who make more than $300,000 a year. Because those households also earn the overwhelming share of taxable investment income and executive bonuses, both their incomes and their tax liabilities swing sharply in bull and bear markets.

"These people have incomes that fluctuate much more rapidly, so when the economy is doing well and the stock market is doing well, tax revenues will be up," said Brian Riedl, a budget analyst at the Heritage Foundation."

Compared with the size of the economy, tax revenues are still below historical norms and far below what the Bush administration predicted as recently as 2003. And federal debt has ballooned to $9.6 trillion, up from $5.6 trillion when Bush took office in 2001.

Basically the rich and the Corporations made so much more money under Bush that they paid more taxes and that led to increased federal revenue. But that mostly benefited the wealthy, and the economy is worse now than it was under Clinton. O'Reilly put a right-wing spin on the numbers, he claimed that because revenue went up we all did better. When in fact, most of us did worse, and only the wealthy did better under Bush.

Obama should have pointed out that total revenue is meaningless, and that you measure how well people are doing by wage growth, inflation, energy prices, spending, etc. for the average American worker, not by how much more money the wealthy and the corporations made. The people at the top made out like bandits so the total tax revenue went up because they pay the most taxes, while the other 95% of us lost money and had a wage decrease, so we got screwed.

O'Reilly tried to claim that because total federal tax revenue went up, the Bush tax cuts were great for America. When it was really only great for the top 5 percent of Americans, everyone else suffered. And Obama tried to say that, but O'Reilly cut him off every time he tried to talk. Ask yourself this, is the average working man better off now under Bush, with $4.00 a gallon gas, higher food and energy prices, etc. or was he better off under Clinton, that answer is easy, he was better off under Clinton, even though total federal revenue went up under Bush.

2) O'Reilly would spew out a right-wing spin question then Obama would try to correct him and answer it, but he could never finish an answer. Every time he tried to answer a question O'Reilly would cut him off and spew out more right-wing spin and claim Obama was wrong. He would make some crazy claim about the Obama tax plan and Obama would say you're wrong, and O'Reilly would say no i'm not. So he would deny reality, and try to get you to believe his spin on it, when Obama was sitting right there telling him he did not have his facts right.

O'Reilly is so used to talking to right-wingers and putting his spin on everything liberal, that when he has to interview someone who says he is wrong, he can't comprehend that the person is saying he is wrong. He just keeps spewing the spin out as if it's true, when they guy who created the tax plan is sitting right there telling him he is wrong.

It was like watching a comedy skit on MadTV, or SNL. O'reilly says you want me to pay 50 percent in taxes, Obama says no I don't, then O'Reilly just keeps going as if Obama agreed with him. When he only pays 35 percent, and under the Obama plan it would go from 35 to 38 percent, not 50 percent. Then he said Obama wants to raise the payroll tax cap to infinity, then Obama said no I don't. But O'Reilly kept saying yes you do, when they guy was sitting right there telling him he don't.

He was basically calling Obama a liar, when he never does that with McCain. Billy had his right-wing talking points to spew out to make Obama look bad, and he was going to stick with them even when Obama said they were wrong. He would say a lie, Obama would say you're wrong, then try to explain how he's wrong, then O'Reilly would cut him off half way through his answer, and before Obama could show how he was wrong, then O'Reilly would make the false claim again and move on to a new question.

It was a joke, and very bad journalism, in fact, calling it journalism is an insult to all journalists.

3) O'Reilly still plans to do the one sided biased 25 part series on Obama, even after he said the reason he was not doing one on McCain is because he knows McCain and he has talked to McCain. So I thought he would cancel it after he talked to Obama, because now he knows him and he has talked to him, but he still plans to do it. If you have two candidates running for president, one Democrat and one Republican, and you interview both of them, then you do a 25 part investigation on one of them, but not the other, that's just flat out 100% bias. If that's not bias there is no such thing.

4) Compare his interview with Obama to his interview with McCain, the McCain interview had no screaming, no lying about his policies, no constantly cutting his answers short, none of that. O'Reilly is a joke and a fraud who should not even be allowed on tv, let alone have a tv news show.

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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:32 AM
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11. If I recall...
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 09:33 AM by elkston

Basically the rich and the Corporations made so much more money under Bush that they paid more taxes and that led to increased federal revenue. But that mostly benefited the wealthy, and the economy is worse now than it was under Clinton. O'Reilly put a right-wing spin on the numbers, he claimed that because revenue went up we all did better. When in fact, most of us did worse, and only the wealthy did better under Bush.

Obama should have pointed out that total revenue is meaningless, and that you measure how well people are doing by wage growth, inflation, energy prices, spending, etc. for the average American worker, not by how much more money the wealthy and the corporations made. The people at the top made out like bandits so the total tax revenue went up because they pay the most taxes, while the other 95% of us lost money and had a wage decrease, so we got screwed.


Obama did say that although the economy grew, wages remained flat or reduced. He made this point.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:55 AM
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13. Obama.........

Yes Obama did say that while revenue went up wages remained flat. But he never hammered O'Reilly for using that right-wing spin that because revenue went up everyone did better after the Bush tax cuts. And he never pointed out that the state of the economy has little to do with the actual revenue numbers.

He also never pointed out that the rich got richer under Bush, and that the revenue only went up because they paid more taxes. I just don't think Obama did a very good job of de-spinning the point O'Reilly was making. And I am a diehard Obama supporter, always have been, and always will be.

The point O'Reilly tried to make is that because total tax revenue went up after the Bush tax cuts, it proves the economy did better under Bush than it did under Clinton in the 90's. When that claim is just laughable, and the only people who did better under Bush is the top 5% who make over $250,000 a year.

I don't think Obama did a great job explaining how O'Reilly was spinning the revenue stats. He did tell O'Reilly it was lies and damn lies, and you can make stats say anything. But I think he should have been more forceful and went into more detail on how O'Reilly was spinning the numbers to make the Bush economy look better than the Clinton economy.



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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:27 AM
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9. Whateve some feel on Bill it was genuinely fair a balanced jounalism as it should be.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:27 AM
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10. Whateve some feel on Bill it was genuinely fair & balanced jounalism as it should be.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 09:27 AM by barack the house
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bob19124 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:41 AM
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12. Your right, O,riley might get him back on-track!
I couldn't agree with you more. Obama has lost his focus and allowed them to throw him off his message. I joined this site in hopes of finding intelligent, factual information to use to persuade my co-workers and friends who are leaning to the right. I am disappointed in finding nothing but childish name calling and passing of internet rumors with little or no basis of fact. The Obama campaign has provided little for us to use to gain support. We need a message. All he seems to be doing is whining that he is the agent of change. He will lose that battle with Biden standing next to him. WE WILL LOSE THIS UNLESS HE WAKES UP AND DEVELOPS A STRATEGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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