Let's cut out all of the sleazy tactics against Palin.

[totodeinhere]

We should not use gutter politics. Those are puke tactics and we should be better than that. Remember that Obama has promised a new type of politics that avoids these types of tactics, and he has rightly said that we need to leave Palin's family out of it.

Instead, let's stick to the issues. She is virulently pro life and opposes abortion even in the case of rape and incest, she favors off shore drilling and drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, she is anti-gay, she favors more tax cuts for the rich, she supports staying in Iraq forever, she is totally inexperienced and doesn't know squat about foreign policy, etc, etc. We can get her on the issues. We don't need to resort to sleaze such as speculating about whether or not she has had an affair and whether or not she gets along well with her daughter..

[backscatter712]

1. But the press just can't resist a good bimbo eruption! n/t

[Life Long Dem]

49. Are we going to talk bitches and bimbos?

:bounce: Just let me know.

[backscatter712]

53. You don't think Sarin's a bimbo?

And I didn't bring up the other b-word.

[Life Long Dem]

57. I'm not saying whether she is or not. I do think it's dirty politics

And if you were a Hillary supporter you would know why these types of attacks, are not good. The guys are not going to follow.

[backscatter712]

59. Every time we keep clean and "above the fray" and the Rethugs play dirty,

we lose.

I no longer care if we fight dirty in this election cycle. After we win and Obama and a solid Democratic majority takes office, maybe we can come up with rules of engagement for the next election so we can fight clean and win.

But right now, we don't have rules of engagement. More importantly, the Republicans don't operate under any rules of engagement. They're sliming us with every dirty trick they've got, so I feel more than justified in hitting them back below the belt.

I don't care if it's lying, cheating, slimy or even misogynistic. We have to do what it takes to win. Our nation cannot withstand another four years of neocon rule. We have to do absolutely anything and everything it takes to beat those fuckers down. Hate them, dehumanize them. It helps.

Let's break the bimbo!

[Life Long Dem]

62. Motivation means a lot.

If I was turned down for a promotion by some bimbo, I'd feel a little pissed myself... but I don't...

[Indydem]

2. We can debate these issues.

Attacking her family and children makes us look like thugs; exactly what we are trying to fight against!

GObama! New tone and politics in Washington!

[DebbieCDC]

3. Just remember where "we should be better than them"

Got John Kerry in 2004. Wake the fuck up people. Politics is a dirty business. You want to win? Then you have to get down in the mud and fight it out. Yes spouses and kids off limits. Candidates -- NO WAY. Anything they've done IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY is fair game. Sometimes I get so sick of this shit at DU that "we are better than them". Well you know what? The moral high ground is great but it doesn't win elections. Make up your minds if you want to WIN this time or not.

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[Bucky]

6. Welcome to DU, repo... Woops where did he disappear to so quickly?

[GoneOffShore]

45. Damn - that was fast.

Took him longer to register than it did to post and get a pizza. Express delivery!!

[Resuscitated Ethics]

65. Was there an imposter repo?

repo here and I don't order pizza. Got slagged by apparent troll police on an Edwards post last week, under cross X I messed up my incept date, but I've never had a mod write to me personally except to ask for the donations. Never had a post deleted. I may want to post in the future and I guess I'm defensive about pile ons. The name? "he was a teenaged dinosaur, stoned and obsolete..."

[progressivebydesign]

and such FINE grammar!!! lol! n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

Yeah, that'll happen.

God, you can't make this stuff up. :rofl:

[high density]

17. didn't I see you recently on The Colbert Report?

[Shakespeare]

29. Typical repug. Ignorant, obnoxious, shitty grammar.

Enjoy your tombstone, asshole.

[thoughtcrime1984]

37. Might as well have Mini-Me and Britney run

They make as much sense as the McPain-Stalin ticket.

[WeDidIt]

43. Man, just look at you.

You didn't even fucking try!

And I was gonna get a warning from Skinner over trying to out you for the troll, you were.

[progressivebydesign]

7. Thank you! Some people don't get it... Taking the high road is the path to failure.

Always has been... this "pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon?" stuff doesn't work. we do NOT have to compliment the other side before we criticize them. Kerry was far too civilized for what they did to him...

Voters don't hear the niceties, they hear "Obama is... " "Biden did..." We are attacked daily by the paid off media pundits (google Armstrong Williams scandal), and the negative stuff, like a rumor in a small town, spreads.

And we are simply discussing what's already out there.. We didnt' start this, it came out of Alaska and Extremist Barbie's list of enemies.

[totodeinhere]

13. I understand what you are saying, but this time it's different because Obama is a different type..

of politician and that old type of politics doesn't work anymore. If I thought the sleaze would work and get Obama elected then I'd be OK with it, but IMO those tactics will backfire on us. The reason why I am calling for sticking to the issues is because I sincerely believe that this is the way to win the election, not the other way around.

[CashGap]

46. Good golly you are serious...

Seriously... are you serious? Were you around in 2000? 2004? How about 1992 and 1996, those had some lessons on how to run and you could read a transcript of the whole durn campaign and not hear "high road" mentioned once.

You go take the high road and lose. I say we take the winning road, and the standard is that we attack with every thing REMOTELY BELIEVABLE rather than just "true" or "clean".

[CashGap]

47. Dupe - Delete - Sorry I got excited

nt

[babythunder]

54. REAL SSUES DO NOT WIN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS!

[pampango]

38. Not sure if I agree with you or not. I do agree that

"Anything they've done IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY is fair game", but I don't consider that to be inconsistent with not attacking her family.

Sorry but I'm still raising a son and the "anything it takes to win" just doesn't cut it. I've spent too much time play hard but play fair, fight hard but fight fair, study hard but don't cheat. When he gets older I don't want him to lie to make a sale, or cut a design corner that results in an unsafe product but no one will notice til later. (I know that these are "different", but the salesman and product designer probably think that their situations are "different", too. "They're just selling a car or designing a toy, not electing a president.")

Maybe that is part of what makes me a Democrat. (At least in my mind it is one (of many) reasons that I'm not a repub. Can't stand their tactics.

"The moral high ground is great but it doesn't win elections." I would tweak that to add "ALWAYS" after "doesn't". Nothing guarantees a win. I know that expressing a desire to tear the repubs' eyes out may make you a "better" Democrat than me, at least in some people's opinion. While I'm a Democrat, I also have to look at myself in the mirror and my son in his eyes.

So I leave the sex lives and parenting skills of Palin, her husband, and her children in your capable hands.

[Bucky]

4. popcorn thread

Expect to be labeled a nanny, a handwringer, and a spineless DINO before this thread is out.

Don't you know that living by our values is how the Republicans beat us every time?

(on edit)

Also, all the "we must fight fire with fire" folks in this thread will use the word "fuck" a lot.

[Tansy_Gold]

34. Fuck yes! n/t

.

[old mark]

8. We have to take her seriously.

A lot of people laughed at Bush, and he has had 2 terms. The republicans are crazy enough to nominate these people, but they get a lot of votes and they could easily win.

Win the election first, laugh after.

mark

[WinkyDink]

9. I don't know what you mean by "We can get her on the issues." "WE" WHO? Do "WE" own the MSM?

[cali]

10. you haven't been very specific about what you consider sleaze tactics

I don't think examining her background with a fine toothed comb is a sleaze tactic.

[TooRaLoo]

11. Pro-life? Misnomer big-time!

Pro-birth, maybe.

[Name removed]

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[TheKentuckian]

28. I respect the concept but it assumes everyone votes on issues

but the fact we're sitting on the verge of a potential 6th Reagan term says otherwise. The majority of people don't back the Republicans on almost any issue but they've won the White House 28 out of 40 years and we've seen Chimpy sit for two terms.

Sometimes the luster has to be knocked off for people to even turn to the issues.

[demobabe]

14. No.

These people want to go to war with Iran and kill a lot of people. I've already lost so much $ because of them. No holds barred.

[Caribou Barbie]

15. Why?

They are duplicitous liars that need to be shown for their complete lack of morals and the values that they want to foist upon us. Keep your damn hands off my wife's body McPain! That's my job. :)

By the way, hello... long time reader, first time poster, lifetime New York democrat and primary Hillary voter... 110% Obama/Biden backer.

[Thrill]

16. You can't win not using the gutter politics. When are Democrats going to learn?

The American people don't pay attention to the facts. They respond to lies and mud slinging.

This is why Democrats lose presidential elections they should win.

[totodeinhere]

18. If that's true then it's a sad state of affairs.

Haven't you been listening to Obama? He has said time after time that the old politics is now irrelevant.

[MrCoffee]

21. He should tell the Republicans that.

[Bucky]

22. Keep in mind that the sleazy talk going in DU is not what the actual Obama campaign does.

I love DU, but all it's really good for is to give Hannity & Limbaugh some fat juicy targets whenever the tinfoil rabble goes over the top.

[Thrill]

23. Yeah I've heard him. Now watch the Polls. And see how much the people responded to the gutter

politics The Repukes used.

Sooner or later. Democrats will learn.

The majority of Americans are fucking idiots. They have to realize that if they want to ever win a national election again.

[CashGap]

48. Get serious

The Progressive Ideals are palatable to what... 25% of the population? How are you going to get another 26% to vote for something they would find abhorrent if they understood it? It's for their own good, but they don't get that.

This is a dirty business. If you can't stand the heat...

[AtomicKitten]

19. Obama-Biden ARE talking about the issues. "Sambo beat the bitch" not so much.

[totodeinhere]

24. Yes, they are, and that's my point. We at DU should be emulating them and we should also...

stick to the issues and avoid this other stuff. Almost every thread at DU right now is about some sort of scandal concerning Palin such as whether or not she had an affair with her husband's business parter. But I see very few threads discussing important issues. What about the mortgage crisis? What about Darth Cheney's saber rattling over Georgia? What about the high cost of energy? Let's talk about this stuff, not the sleazy stuff.

[AtomicKitten]

30. The tabloid stuff will blow over; it's subterfuge for the wingnuts instead of talking policy.

On Monday, Rachel Maddow's show starts following Countdown. That's a two-hour progressive block of full-on vetting. Palin's fundie wingnut positions are infinitely more potent and will be exposed and explored in detail.

[WinkyDink]

39. I repeat: START A THREAD! Put your thoughts where your lecturing is.

[totodeinhere]

51. Deleted. Posted by mistake.

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. Whatever ........ McCain .... might die of fricking cancer if elected

[Thrill]

25. Too bad. The majority of Americans don't listen to that

All they care about is ooooooooooooo she kicked his ass the other night. YEAHHHHHHH. Nevermind that the Republicans could careless about them

[EmeraldCityGrl]

20. Palin will ensure a bureaucratic free path for oil companies to drill in AK.

The RNC couldn't care less what her qualifications are for a potential presidency. Alaskans will receive huge royalty checks while the rest of the country will

will be paying exorbitant for domestic petroleum. Say goodbye to renewable energy and all the potential perks it would have provided to the ENTIRE

country.

Palin wears an Alaska State pin. She represents Alaska and her own self interests. Americans will come to rue the day they allowed another puppet for the oil

companies act as a figurehead for the presidency. How stupid can people be?

[Marsala]

26. We aren't using sleazy tactics! WE aren't doing ANYTHING!

The media is having a Palin feeding frenzy, and it won't stop until... well... at this point, it's hard to imagine how anything could stop it.

[Bread and Circus]

27. Can the bullshit. Please.

[totodeinhere]

31. You have it backwards. All of this sleaze is the bullshit. And it will come back to bite us...

if we don't watch it. The RW is already screaming like crazy about the "tactics that the left is using against Palin." Let's not give them any more ammunition.

[Ernesto]

35. It ain't the Dems that are hammer'n her..... It's the MSM!

Britney, Lindsay & Paris have been behaving themselves lately. Anna Nicole is gone. Sara has it all! She's now America's #1 bimbo babe!

[WinkyDink]

40. Oh, FGS.

[babythunder]

55. Yea whatever and when

McCain is getting sworn in as President of the United States we all will find great comfort in that we didn't give in to "sleazy tactics"

[Phredicles]

32. I think some people have an exaggerated sense of DU's importance;

as far as I can tell it's a place where people who vote more or less the same way can get together and talk about (mostly) political stuff. But are people really deciding how they'll cast their vote by what we say here? I can't recall anyone saying, "I was all set to vote for Kerry until I saw where on DU someone accused Bush of taking it in the back door from Jeff Gannon. That is just so sleazy."

Barack Obama is a very great man, and I'm excited to have the opportunity to vote for him. I've already donated his campaign the most money I've ever given a political candidate. But I don't work for him or his campaign. And I will talk about whatever I jolly well please, whether it's "on-message" or not, thank you very much.

Edit: fixed bad typo.

[totodeinhere]

36. Of course you have the "right" to talk about whatever you want to.

All I'm saying is that it's not very politically savvy to take the low road like so many here at DU have.

Yes, DU might not be that important in the scheme of things, but it's important enough that Rush Limballs has talked about it on more than one occasion. Lets not give that asshole anything more to talk about.

[WinkyDink]

42. Oh, RUSH! I'm SO SCARED!

[babythunder]

58. Oh so we allow Rush Slimballs of the world

dictate how to treat a Rethug candidate?

[Phredicles]

68. Limbosevic talks about DU? I hear he's a junkie pedophile;

let him talk about THAT.:P

[kwolf68]

33. Unless someone has ACTUAL EVIDENCE

Of any of this stuff, we stand to shoot ourselves in the foot.

This is trash politics. ANYONE with an ax to grind can make comments that Palin is racist, Nazi lover, or whatever. And while I may believe it true, unless we have irrefutable evidence then we look like slime meisters, basically acting like Republicans.

If someone has real evidence lets see it, but because Ralph Redneck in Idaho said, "Palin is a Nazi" simply does not make it true.

[stillcool]

44. Free Sarah! Let Sarah Speak!..

let her explain her policy positions, then we can all discuss. Until then we have to continue vetting her. And seeing as how she's been muzzled we have to wade through the shit in order to find the truth. It's a tough job but John McCain left it for 'we the people' to do.

[Liberal Dose]

50. I haven't seen anyone attacking Palin's family, but I have seen her hypocrisy coming to light. eom

[shayes51]

52. Thank you.

[11 Bravo]

56. Sorry, I have nieces of child-bearing age and sons who will be 18 all too soon.

I'm not about to risk letting a doddering old war-monger and Caribou Barbie slink into office. Fuck nice! If I could obtain a sample of Charlie Manson's sperm, I would find a way to smear it in Bristol Palin's thong, alert the media, and then pay for the DNA test.

[CTLawGuy]

60. we are one supreme court vote away from utter fascism

we must win and if we have to use Sarah Palin's own veritable failings against her, so be it.

[Resuscitated Ethics]

61. If the sleaze is true print it and run it up the flagpole, if not just print it

Her handlers said no press for two weeks yet her snarky lies show up daily from garden club type fundraisers? She's NRA and can't defend herself? Gloves off this is the culture war that better be won and not pissed away in apologia.

Whitewater? Swift boat? The doggone TRAVEL OFFICE? PORNOGRAPHY in the congressional record on your dime? (with a bizarre repressed male fantasy of object sexual penetration reminiscent of the False Mick Jagger/Marianne Faithfull MARS bar load of crap. What is it about Republican oppressors that make them want to stick stuff where it doesn't belong?LIES http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/marsbar.asp)
I firmly believe that Lewinsky 'confession' regarding the moist cigar was a LIE

Nice is for sponsoring band camp. This is culture war and THEY CHEAT.

WTF who is John McCain to PUNISH CNN? f -them. They are a just bunch of bullying pandering loudmouths with no shame and about a jigger of decency that they use up when they tip 10%: not including the drink orders

[mokawanis]

63. Has this position been posted on DU before?

Only about 1,000 times. *yawn*

[Paladin]

64. You're More Interested In Winning A Good Sportsmanship Medal Than The White House

Your wimpy, "we're better than that 'cause we play by the rules" mindset is what gives Karl Rove and Dick Cheney ecstatic hard-ons at night. Your kind of attitude plays right into the Repub's hands---they depend upon it and use it against us. Over and over and over again.

If you and Democrats who share your views don't have the stomach for a gutter fight, then get out of the way of those of us who do. Because that's exactly how this one is going to be won or lost. Obama is right in staying above the fray; the rest of us face no such constraints....

[Kaleva]

66. Separating the Regressives from the Progressives

The good folks who are what they profess to despise show up in strength when topics such as the so-called Palin scandals are discussed.

[iconicgnom]

67. hey, she's a beauty queen!!! satisfied?

[Thrill]

69. WHAT? Thats what Palin is doing. SLEAZY tactics against Obama

If you can't take it. Then don't dish it out

[OwnedByFerrets]

70. Nope! Tired of playing nice, but knock yourself out.