Time/CNN Poll: Nader swings Ohio toward McCain

[BurtWorm]

Ohio Naderites need to be woken up or snapped out of their dreamlife:

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/timecnn_iowa_minnesota_ohio_83.php

Just Obama and McCain:

Obama (D) 47
McCain (R) 45

With third-party candidates:

Obama (D) 45
McCain (R) 44
Nader (I) 5
Barr (L) 2
McKinney (G) 1

(Hat tip to dkos)

[scheming daemons]

1. Nader voters need to be forced to live in the GOP world they're helping create....

[liberal N proud]

12. They have been but it has not phase them

Jeesh! Nader the fuckwad candidate again

[damntexdem]

30. They already have for many years.

Unfortunately, so have the rest of us.

[Doremus]

40. I talk to repukes everyday here in Ohio. They know they're hurting

But they either have no idea why OR it's 'the do-nothing Congress' fault.

I kid you not.

And what's weird is that they mostly agree on the issues, but the RW has so successfully demonized the word "liberal" that they automatically dismiss ANYTHING that comes from the left. Face, eat nose.

I had one bright spot of encouragement today. A rabid rightwinger I see occasionally is so disenchanted with the R ticket and the selection of Palin she's considering Obama. At the very least she'll either abstain or vote 3rd party.

BTW, she's very impressed with Obama's refusal to climb into the mud with the other hogs. I told her what Nancy Reagan said about him and you could tell that impressed her too.

Keep working on 'em, guys. One by one we'll turn the tide. :thumbsup:

[truebrit71]

41. No fucking shit....I am TIRED of those sanctimonious assholes lecturing us...

..about the 'broken system' when they won't fucking help us fix it...

[mikelgb]

2. Expect heavy GOP funding of McKinney and Nader camps here

[NashVegas]

I Wouldn't Fall For That Line

Nader voters probably wouldn't enter a voting booth at all, they're so pissed off about the parties.

[zulchzulu]

Nader will be in Madison tomorrow

I know where a great place that makes cream pies not far from where he'll be.

[Eric J in MN]

9. Nader has been pied before. Didn't stop him. NT

NT

[stolivodka]

3. honestly

Anyone who votes for Nader would have stayed at home, otherwise. I think more people feeling like they are part of the political process is a good thing for America.

[marylanddem]

4. Fuck Nader. n/t

[greenman3610]

5. bastard

[Eric J in MN]

6. Why does Nader like running for president so much?

Why not become a talk radio host or something instead?

[GrizzlyMan]

10. Because his ego is larger than anyone else's in this race, including McCain's

It's a vanity campaign. That's all it has ever been.

[GrizzlyMan]

7. Ralph is pretty old....maybe he'll kick off between now and Nov.

If it means saving thousands of US lives in Iran and an all-out war with Russia (McCain presidency)then I'm fine with it.

[JBoris]

16. His name would still be on the ballot. If voters are dumb enough to vote for a living Nader,

would any of them really notice if he died?

[GrizzlyMan]

21. It might shave a couple of points off

Assuming he will actually get 5 percent which doesn't seem entirely plausible at this stage.

[trueblue2007]

43. I hope HE and McCain kick at the same time

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Where are the other candidates? What about the Ron Paul write-ins?

[Nye Bevan]

11. Could the repukes be paying Nader a couple of million bucks to run for pres?

It would be well worth it... he is one of their biggest assets. I wonder if there is any way they could get away with that.

In any case, a hearty Fuck You, Ralph, you piece of shit.

[GrizzlyMan]

13. That has long been suspected. I tend to believe it's more informal

With some Repukes contributing to his campaign individually. But at the end of the day, Ralph has gone from someone who was worth admiring to a real POS. As far as I'm concerned he's part of a long line of people who have blood on their hands when it comes to Iraqu. No Bush = no Iraq.

[depakid]

14. Nader takes 5% in Ohio? LOL

To do that, he'd have to double his percentage from 2000.

Think that's going to happen or do you think that people respond to polling questions differently than they actually vote?

[WCGreen]

17. Not a chance...

He'll be lucky, if he makes the ballot, to get more than 1%...

[depakid]

27. Agreed.

To put things in perspective, in Oregon 2000 he got 5.5%, leading some who follow these things shallowly to conclude that Oregon is somehow a "battle ground state."

[WCGreen]

31. So far, and the deadline is omorrow at 4:00, only Barr has made the ballot...

In Cuyahoga County...

[maseman]

47. Do you have a link

I'm in ohio and hadn't heard that. I hope to hell you are correct.

[WCGreen]

49. If the Green PArty has majr party status, which I doubt, they have to

have filed petitions in each county, I believe.

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe/en-US/11042008_candidatelist.pdf

The link doesn't include Dem and republican Pres. because I think they are certified at the SOS office.

On Edit...

The ballot will be released tomorrow at 4:00, I believe...

[maseman]

50. So someone could end up on the ballot in Cleveland but not Akron and Canton?

I never knew that. Although...it would be the worst to have him on the ballot in Cleveland which is very blue.

Thansk for the help.

[mod mom]

15. "Mode: Live Telephone Interviews" which leaves off many young folks w/o landlines.

[democrattotheend]

20. Yeah, but they weight for that

Pew did a study on this recently, and discovered that young people without landlines were similar politically to young people with landlines. So they can just weight the young people with landlines more heavily to account for those without landlines. Plus, since this is a live poll, we have to factor in a race-of-interviewer effect. Some calling centers have mostly black callers and this tends to skew things toward Obama. That's why I tend to trust robo-polling more.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. If Nader gets over 1.2% anywhere I'll eat my hat

This is booooolshit.

[Better Believe It]

24. Would You Like Mustard On It?

:)

[musicblind]

19. Son Of A Bitch!

:mad:

[flamingdem]

23. He's a hateful man, what can we do... ideas? nt

[musicblind]

55. I don't know. I wish I did.

I wish I could cure the world of stupidity as well :(

[azmouse]

22. What the hell is WRONG with them?

Why would they vote for that crazy old man? I don't get it.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. God I hate that bastard.

[flamingdem]

26. Recommend. Alert to DUers in Ohio to work against Nader nt

[ellie]

44. Done and done!

I phone banked last night for Obama and I will canvass on Saturday. I plan on volunteering with the campaign three or four days a week until election day.

[flamingdem]

48. great! keep up the good fight! nt

[anakie]

28. here we go again

blaming Nader for Gore's loss and the subsequent 8yrs of hell. 2000, Gore could not even win his home state or Clinton's. Sure he got more votes than Bush, sure he was selected by the Supreme Court but if he held TN and Arkansas maybe he would have been able to persuade the courts. Who knows, it is just easier to blame Nader and the Greens.

The bigger problem is not those who go out and vote - that is a persons democratic right, and they can vote for who ever they please. The problem as I see it, is getting those 30% or more of Americans who DONT vote at all and winning their support for Obama. Why this election is even close is beyond me - media bias not withstanding.

Get it together, get people out to vote for Obama, and do the rest of the world a favour and get rid of the Republican administration.


Peace

on edit - sorry folks I realise AR is Arizona, I don't know what Arkansas is. Fixed in text.

[azmouse]

32. TN has been Rep for a while now.

Only the Reps rag on Gore losing TN.

[anakie]

39. I am not ragging on Gore

I like Al Gore and especially what he has become; and in my heart know that the world would not be in the mess it is in if he had have become president in 2000 like he should have.

My point being that it is unusual for a candidate to lose his (and in the future her) home state.

One of my pet beefs with the American electoral system is how many people choose not to vote; anywhere from half to a third of the electorate can't be bothered to take time out to vote. These people should be the target of the Democratic Party, not Nader and an 8 year old grudge.

The rest of the world has a stake in this election, the Democratic Party cannot stuff this up.


Peace

[blue_onyx]

34. I agree

Yes, Gore had the election stolen from him. But it is his fault that the election was even close. Even the "2000 Al Gore" was so much better than Bush that it should have been a landslide. Obama needs to win this election and convince people that he is the best option. If I were Nader, I wouldn't run because I know it could allow a far worse choice to win. Nader, however, has every right to run. Instead of calling Nader supporters insane, we should win them over and I believe Obama will win most of them over by November.

[progressoid]

29. I call bullshit.

Nader is also getting 4% in Iowa? I doubt that very much.
Hell, he only got 2.7 of the vote in 2000. NOW he's getting 4 or 5?



3.5% MOE by the way.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/states.poll/index.html

[terrya]

37. So do I. Didn't he only have 2% in 2004?

And now, suddenly, he doubles his percentage?

No fucking way.

[progressoid]

42. How about 1%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

[Obamarama]

33. Nader and his supporters need to shut their fuckin' cakeholes and sit on their hands.

Stay in the fucking cellar until Nov. 5 you self-righteous slugs.

[krabigirl]

35. I don't buy it this time.

[progressivebydesign]

36. Fuck YOU Ralph Nader you egotistical jerk!!! Thanks for BUSH!!

No difference between the candidates... yeah right. Thanks for that.

I was one that lived through the Nader wars here on DU.. it was UGLY.

[Obamarama]

38. Sister...if they do this again, you haven't even seen the tip of the iceburg when it comes to UGLY.

I will make it as fucking ugly as possible.

[Forkboy]

45. This is just divide and conquer shit from the media.

Now that the Hillary angle is a dud the media needs another reason to pit leftie against leftie. Don't fall for it.

[ContinentalOp]

46. Isn't this just a setup so they can steal Ohio again? -nt-

[demgrrrll]

53. Yep sure is. Won't work though. We are going to win.

[maseman]

51. PEOPLE...this is ONE fucking poll

One poll in a state means NOTHING. Nader may not even make the ballot.

[WindRiverMan]

52. All of this is within the margin of error

and personally, I trust in Obama's financial edge, amazing ability to organize his campaign, and his ground game. It's rope a dope until election, then he wipes em out in the polls.

Nadar won't get five percent, electoral-vote.com had an article about it the other day.

[Barack_America]

54. Sounds like Ohio voters need to learn about Bob Barr.

;)