Attacking Sarah Palin is Dangerous...

[Joe the Revelator]

We need to just let her be VP and be done with it.


























At least that would appear to be the mood from some of you.

[tekisui]

1. Sure seems that way.

Get a backbone, people!

[rug]

2. No, sticking your nose up her birth canal is.

Do you know the difference?

[Joe the Revelator]

4. I'm very well aware of the difference, and I am 100% sure if this was Romney

and he had some type of love child, we'd be talking about that to.

[CreekDog]

6. Robots don't reproduce

:shrug:

[rug]

9. Now you're claiming her Downs Syndrome son is a love child?

Get more systematic with your trash rooting.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. I was making a comparison, not calling her child a love child.

But keep sticking up for her, thats a good way to lose an election

[rug]

15. I'm not sticking up for her, I'm wiping your speculative shit off my shoes.

If this is your line of attack, I'm not sure you know how to win elections.

[NJmaverick]

60. You don't know how to win elections, that why we lose

and you ego will not let you learn from those that do (the repukes). Elections are about throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks. A simple point that was sadly lost on you.

[rug]

64. What did you study, Political Hysterics 101?

And I'd take your comment about my ego a little more seriously if you weren't running a Giants website.

[kestrel91316]

21. Wrong. Since, by opposing abortion and presumably birth control,

she is sticking HER nose up MY vagina. That makes hers fair game.

If she can't take the heat, she needs to go back to the kitchen.

[rug]

23. I don't know whose nose has been up your vagina but I do know you don't ensure abortion rights by

insane speculation.

[kestrel91316]

24. Speculation? The woman is an Assemblies of God fundie wacko.

It's a given that in addition to opposing abortion, she also opposes certain forms of birth control such as the pill and IUD, and quite likely other forms, too.

Never underestimate a christofascist. You WILL live to regret it.

But you go right ahead and keep defending her. Just shows what you really think of women's rights.

[rug]

25. That's fine because those are facts.

The who's the mommy threads are ludicrous.

[kestrel91316]

I'm not the NYT. I don't claim to publish only facts.

I'm allowed to speculate, and don't you DARE presume to tell me or anybody else to STFU about it.

We do a lot of thinking out loud here on DU. If you don't like it, leave.

[rug]

51. If you don't like being called on your bullshit, stop posting bullshit.

[Joe the Revelator]

61. Take your own advice, kid.

[rug]

66. I usually do but in this case all the bullshit is running downstream.

[PeaceNikki]

3. No. Attack her HARD on the issues, there are PLENTY of those

That can easily be done without resorting to using her parenting skills or some standards that are different for candidates who are men or some "juicy gossip" that's floating around.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. The only different standard she's being held to is an aura of protection by those among us who vote

based on genitalia.

[redstate_democrat]

16. Exactly. Notice, the same people sticking up for Palin

were the same people OVERLY SENSITIVE to any criticism of Hillary Clinton. These people can't see past their own friggin vaginas. This leads me to believe that they have deeply rooted issues surrounding gender. This Palin character is practically a cave dweller and they are sticking up for her. My goodness. Identity politics at its finest I guess.

[PeaceNikki]

17. It's supporting women, women's issues and rights regardless of political affiliation.

It's sad and awful that political affiliation and whether or not we "like" the candidate takes precedence to these things.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. It is sad, that you will protect a woman who is against everything the Democratic Party stands for

just because you feel the need to support all woman.

[PeaceNikki]

20. I'm not "protecting" her. There are many other reasons to attack her.

Using this as a point of attack is done by those too ignorant to educate themselves on the real issues with her candidacy.

[Beausoir]

35. What a silly post.

Palin is a sitting duck with her ridiculous throw-back policies. She is anti-gay, anti-woman, inexperienced and in no way a qualified candidate.

Why you would choose to ignore all that and focus on her uterus speaks volumes, Wolsh.

[Joe the Revelator]

62. It speaks nothing about, because you havn't seen me make any attacks outside of issues on Palin...

what I do support though, is digging up any available dirt on her, just like I'd support against any male candidate. The difference between me and some is that I am an equal opportunity attacker of republicans.

[TexasObserver]

55. Yes, Isn't that the height of sexism?

but she's a WOMAN!

This kind of behavior, treating women as overgrown children who need to be protected, is anathema to women's rights and responsibilities. Anyone who wants to be VP of the USA has to be subjected to scrutiny.

[IndianaGreen]

33. Women like Liz Dole or Eva Braun?

From a historical point of view, the Bolsheviks did more for women's rights than all the feminist literature ever did.

Palin's lies and lack of credentials for higher office, are fair game.

[dailykoff]

36. Let's not forget "Maggie" Thatcher and all those beloved queens

who rolled over for their imperial ministers and parliaments.

[terrya]

22. You're exactly right.

We don't need to get into this National Enquirer stuff about her family. The National Enquirer will be more than happy to do that themselves.

The American people need to know that she's more than Dan Quayle in a dress...she's looking more and more like Dick Cheney in a dress. And really, do we want Bush/Cheney AGAIN?

We should define her FIRST, before the Republicans do so. Define her as wrong on every issue...abortion, the environment, the economy, Iraq.

[PeaceNikki]

27. It's a weak argument for those too stupid to educate themselves on the real issues

Her anti-choice, anti-environment, anti-gay, pro-war, pro-gun, etc stances are where we should focus. Not her parenting decisions. Not standards by which we'd never ever judge a man. And definitely not some "juicy gossip" that's out there.

[ClarkUSA]

7. We, the grassroots, need to question her ability to take over from Melanoma McCain

I'll be throwing in her abuse-of-power state ethics investigation and the fact she faced a recall
in her hometown when she did something similar to the local police chief there.

I'd also bring up her no-birth-control-under-any-circumstances and extreme anti-choice rightwing
fundie stances.

Obama surrogates are doing the same thing. Why shouldn't we? The Palin PC Police are probably
cashing in their trolling prizes from the McCain campaign as we speak.

[dailykoff]

8. Yes! Sarah Palin is OFF THE TABLE!

Attacking her could backfire on us bigtime! Please, let's stick to talking about Ossentia people!!1111

[Pamela Troy]

31. Her teenaged daughter should be off the table.

Can you grasp this?

[dailykoff]

32. Her "teenaged daughter" that you keep mentioning isn't the issue.

Can you grasp that?

[Pamela Troy]

34. Oh please -- eagerly spreading a rumor that the girl had an unwed pregnancy

makes her an issue. Batting your eyes and playing innocent doesn't change that.

Don't compound this Rovian attack with Rovian cowardice. This is an idiot attack for idiots who are too timid and/or stupid to grapple with the real issues in this campaign.

[dailykoff]

38. Look, once you take the Big Lie off the table, and oh the little ones too,

like the fact that she's a completely unqualified corporate puppet posing as another "reformer with results," about all you've got left to discuss is Ossentia. Good luck with that.

[Pamela Troy]

40. Baloney. Refraining from this asinine turd-throwing in no way takes the large issues off the table.

Face it -- people roll around in this excrement because they think it's soft and warm and gooshy and they like the smell of it. The people pushing this are too unsure of their own ability to argue on larger issues. It's something for the pre-schoolers among us, and anyone who does it is no friend to the Obama campaign.,

[dailykoff]

41. Wrong. If you ignore the dirty laundry you're going to lose

because that's all they've got.

[Pamela Troy]

42. Really? "That's all they got?" There are no large issues on which to attack Palin?

Pathetic. You really do consider that pudgy, giggling bicycle seat sniffer Karl Rove a role model.

[dailykoff]

43. Well there's Alaskan oil drilling, which seems to be her talking point strong suit.

So let's keep the discussion on something she has lots of practice lying about, yeah that's the ticket.

[Pamela Troy]

44. So why are you so intent on distracting attention from that larger issue?

Afraid of your own ability to argue about it?

[dailykoff]

46. Um, notice that I'm the only one to actually raise a political issue.

And no, I don't think ANWAR is a winning issue for, because the public has already been thoroughly saturated with ridculous lies about it, so basically she has an unfair advantage.

[Pamela Troy]

47. AFTER you were asked about it. Your first choice was rolling around in this Rovian Crap.

Is ANWAR all you got other than this crude attack on her daughter?

[dailykoff]

48. Look, YOU want to talk about the daughter, Rove, and bicycle seats.

Fine, go to a Hillary forum and cry your eyes out. This conversation is over.

[Pamela Troy]

49. No, I don't. That's my point. Now run along.

[PeaceNikki]

50. "go to a Hillary forum and cry your eyes out"

WTF kind of bullshit is that?

[Joe the Revelator]

65. I don't remember you speaking up when we went after Romney's dog killing son.

[Ernesto-Che-Guevara]

11. No one is saying that attacking her is wrong

What some argue is that attacking her based on the pregnancy story is wrong. As simple as that.

[TexasObserver]

57. And those Care Bears are wrong. It's as simple as that.

We're in the middle of an election. Those with weak stomachs need to stay out of threads that upset their tummies.

[redstate_democrat]

12. Don't pay any attention to the Freepers

They are making themselves VERY obvious with this latest move. We should treat Palin like any other politician. The very fact that we wouldn't could be used against us as sexism. If we treat her with kid gloves, we would be doing ourselves in TWICE. Once for not actually holding her accountable and second for being seen as condescending and sexist because we don't wanna "hurt the widdle lady". I say take it to her house. She brags about shooting off big guns, well, she can handle it right. She "took on the old boys club", did she only get by them because they were TOO SCARED to actually hold a woman accountable or because she actually DID have to do something to get there.

She will be called on it the first moment she thinks of using the gender card.

[Pamela Troy]

37. The wannabe "freepers" are the one's pushing this inane attack on a kid.

[qazplm]

13. no

attacking her about whether or not one of her children is actually her child is what people are rightfully saying leave the fuck alone.

Especially when we have about 30 different, other, valid, having proof for issues out there.

The question has been raised. Enough. If there is something there, it will come out on its own.

[TexasObserver]

58. You should worry about yourself, and not every other poster.

Just because you can't understand why this issue is important and bears fully discussing doesn't mean your conclusion binds anyone but you. Don't read the threads! No one asks you to read them. No one asks you to participate in them. You choose to click on them, to read them, and to upset yourself by doing so.

We are NOT going to alter our discussions because you and others go into your DEFCON 1 Handwringing Mode, so your choices are (1) stop reading the threads you don't agree with, or (2) learn to like it.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. hehe, you got me there... NOT attacking Palin is More dangerous

[everything-bolt-up]

18. agreed.

Stick to the issues -that is what our candidate says. The Obama team knows how to handle this - let's not fuck it up for them.

[Pamela Troy]

26. Are you truly having trouble grasping the difference between attacking Palin

on the issues and attacking her through her teenaged daughter?

Are "issues" too complicated for you?

[backscatter712]

28. Stick to the judgment attacks.

Both for Palin, and for McCain - he should be called out for choosing her after meeting her only two times, putting someone with so little experience and such questionable judgment in a position where she could be one pretzel away from the Oval Office.

[LisaL]

29. Nobody should attack McCain either.

Have you people got no respect for the elderly?

[jonnyblitz]

30. nope, she should be attacked relentlessly for her whacked out

right wing positions on the issues! Seriously though, I don't care one way or the other about her because I feel Obama is going to WIN the election anyway. :shrug:

[paulk]

39. strawman argument

it's what she's being attacked over that concerns some -

policy, issues, experience

those are legit attacks

private affairs concerning family matters

not so much

[Clear Blue Sky]

45. McCain is the one running for President. Go after him.

The VP is just not that important in deciding the election. After all, Bush 41 got elected with J Danforth on the ticket.

Wasting time on Palin, especially the conspiracy theories, seems a waste of time and effort.

[NashVegas]

52. I Havent's Seen a Single Post Asking People Not To Attack Palin

I've seen plenty begging to not attack her on grounds or terms related to sex and gender.

[TexasObserver]

53. Hey, you can't say anything about her, because ...

... Yeah, just exactly why can't we?!

Between the Care Bears and the wingers flying under radar, they've formed a protective shield to keep poor little Sarah Palin from the kind of scrutiny even a city mayor would expect.

I don't know what's wrong with these people, but I do know how to make them disappear from my screen, so that's my objective now.

[Pamela Troy]

54. Are you unable to grasp the difference between attacking

Palin on issues like Roe Vs Wade, Global Warming, etc., and spreading some smelly rumor about her daughter?

[NJmaverick]

56. It's the Sexist double standard by some here

because she is a woman, suddenly there are rules about what she can be attacked about. If she was man, they wouldn't be any of these rules and restrictions. A sad case of reverse sexism.

[TexasObserver]

59. Yes, it is appalling.

Those who constantly urge a much lower standard for women on things political do a great disservice to women.

[Joe the Revelator]

63. And this is the well said point of this thread.

Attack her on anything and everything because that is what we would do if Mittens or Pawlenty was picked.

[Life Long Dem]

67. There answer to your request is a "NO" from them.

You see, they don't care about Obama.

Or they would listen.