Does Clark have any Liberal Democratic support ?

[Hoppin_Mad]

I was shocked, I repeat SHOCKED, to see Clark finish behind Kerry, Gebby and yes, LIEBERMAN in a poll of Liberal Democrats.

How could he finish behind Lieberman ? !

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Democrats_Ballot_Preference_January%202004.htm

[adamrsilva]

1. It's probably the past Republican support

Liberals don't want anyone who's even touched a Repub.

[Dookus]

2. I'd say Charlie Rangel counts....

Thanks for the poll - I hadn't seen it. Nice to see that Dean dropped four points since the last poll, and Clark went up two.

[retyred]

4. dean dropped 4 and Clark gained 2?

Wow, I hadn't seen that, thanks for the heads up.


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[BootinUp]

3. Well, this is not surprising to me

I saw similar numbers in a gallup poll from late November.

This is exactly why Clark has not risen faster in the polls of likely primary voters (more liberal/active in my opinion). More liberal dems are going to be tougher for Clark to get. But by the same token more conservative dems will be tough for Dean to get. I believe Clark will begin to garner more support as more people get to know him and his policies, and he will do great in the more conservative parts of the country.

[Northwind]

5. You could simplify that question

By removing the words "Liberal Democratic" from it. And the answer would still be "no."

[Bucky]

10. "Damn reality! I refuse to believe it." Do you understand how silly that

I wonder if you understand how silly that sounds when you say "Clark has no support." I mean, he's in second place in that poll and is climbing. Such statements attacking the truth in front of your face is not good for your reputation, Northwind.

[eileen_d]

29. He's only 16, he don't have a rep yet.

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[MoonRiver]

6. What is the political philosophy of this pollster?

I've never seen it before.

[Rowdyboy]

7. Civil Rights Commissioner Dr Mary Frances Berry isn't

exactly centrist. Michael Moore, while not endorsing, has indicated strong support.

[windansea]

8. Dean slipping liberals too

Among self-identified liberal Democrats, Dean attracts 28% of the vote (down from 35% a month ago).

Amazing that any true liberals support Dean when he is to the RIGHT of Clark and Kerry and compared to DK Dean is almost sitting in chimpy's lap.

[Clark4VotingRights]

9. Moi

A progressive Dem.

[texasmom]

11. Liberal Dem here

wholeheartedly supporting Wesley Clark! This man is pro-choice, believes in protecting the environment, and is not only a believer in civil rights but has worked for equality of opportunity for all in the military during his entire career.

[windansea]

12. kick

:kick:

[FrenchieCat]

13. French Socialist....

for Clark here.

Also Clark was endorsed by a couple of ultra liberal groups.....one was a co endorsement Clark/Dean....

and the other was the LA chapter of the most ultra liberal group...(had a thread about it...will have to search)....who also endorsed Clark. Couldn't find the thread...but found this one....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=716422

[Elidor]

14. I'm with William Tecumseh Sherman on this one

Generals should not be presidents. I don't care how liberal they might be in private life. I don't like members of the military controlling the executive branch. Kinda gives me the willies, it does.

[FrenchieCat]

16. But, but, but,

I heard that Steve Martin was sportin a "Clark04" button just recently!

[Elidor]

21. lol! This may come as a surprise to you, but

I'm not Steve Martin. (Did he really? Veddy interesting...)
I try not to mix celebrities with politics, except in the case of Garafalo, because she's so damn cool and such a babe.

[Turkw]

18. Tell that to general George Washington- Father of our country, first Pres.

The best president of the twentieth century was Truman, he was a captain in WWI.

[mike_c]

22. Washington is NOT a good example--

He was not a professional, lifelong soldier. Neither was Truman. Grant was (horrible president) as was Eisenhower (mediocre president who set the stage for the Cold War).

[Turkw]

28. But all prove my point that a military man is not going to lead a fascist

take over of the country just because he was in the military they was some are claiming

[Turkw]

30. You don't have to be in the military to be a terrible pres. look at Bush!

Clark is a good business man, did not have to hawk weapons to the pentagon to make money, even when he was a lobbyist. (some of his lobbying was for free, 'cause he believed in better thinking and tech over bigger and more guns. )

[bhunt70]

15. chalk me up as one.

[Turkw]

20. I was shocked to see how left/libertarian I was on the political compass

I was starting to question whether I WAS liberal since I am not so wrapped up in political purity. But I am a liberal and I do support Clark!

[windansea]

24. good! n/t

[bain_sidhe]

17. I think name recognition plays a part too

I was shocked, I repeat SHOCKED, to see Clark finish behind Kerry, Gebby and yes, LIEBERMAN

They've all been around longer than Clark, and Lieberman was the VP nominee a few years ago, wasn't he?

And, note, in the CNN poll, he polled even with Dean for support (46%).

If Clark's tax reform plan EVER gets ANY COVERAGE AT ALL (oops, sorry, was I shouting?) you'll no doubt see his numbers climb among liberals. Still, the other posters have a point... a general leads to at least *initial* reservations FOR LIBERALS, until they get to know him AND HIS LIBERAL PROPOSALS!

(oops, there's that shouting thing again... :D )

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. Liberal Dem here who loves Clark

Deans waaay too conservative for me.

[mike_c]

23. not this liberal dem....

NO to career militarists in charge of civilian government!

[tameszu]

25. How? Learning more about polls helps explain what's significant

Among liberal Democrats:

Dean: 28 (down from 35 last month)
Gep: 12
Kerry: 11
Lieb: 11
Clark 10

Overall poll sample size/MoE = 570 Dems

We can't be sure what the size of the "self-described liberal" subsample is, but other poll data suggest that around 20-24% of Americans call themselves liberals, 85%-95% of whom are Dems, and the nation is divided 40-40-20 between Reps/Dems/Indies. This means that if the Rasmussen poll is consistent with those previous findings, it's likely that the "self-described liberal" subsample would be around 50-55% of the Dem sample, or between 230-250 people. The MoE for such a sample size is between 6.5%-7%.

Bottom line: the 1% spread between Kerry, Lieb, and Clark, and the 2% spread between Gep and Clark are statistically meaningless. The three things that this poll confidently tells us are: (1) around the same # of liberal Dems support each of Gep, Kerry, Lieb, and Clark; (2) Dean is by far the most popular 1st place choice among liberals; but (3) significantly fewer liberal Dems support Dean than did 1 month ago.

[windansea]

26. very good!!

:thumbsup:

[tameszu]

27. According to your poll, yes--the same amount as Gep, Lieb, and Kerry

That's what it means when you finish within 1-2% in a poll with an MoE of 6-7%. (My simpler answer)

Also, despite my knowledge of statistics, I'm very liberal.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. Liberal Democrat here!

I strongly support Clark. I think he is the most progressive of the viable candidates with a chance to get the nomination (except possibly Kerry), and the most likely to be able to actually enact a progressive agenda should he win the White House.

[davsand]

32. I know two liberal Dems who are supporting Clark.

My husband and I both are.

Something that I do want to bring up is a little tidbit posted on here the other day from somebody in NH working for Clark. His observation (purely anecdotal, I'm aware) is that there were quite a few ex-Bradly folks working for Clark in NH. The Bradley folks were/are some of the more liberal Dems in the old guard.

Clark's support with liberals may not be as weak as you might think.

Laura

[grannylib]

33. Another Liberal Dem here supporting Clark; I think he's the best bet to

wipe the floor with Chimpy.

[cmd]

34. I'm one. n/t

[TexasSissy]

35. Why are you shocked & worried about candidates you're not voting for?

It'd me like me being "shocked" that Dean is behind Lieberman, say, in Florida. Since I support Clark, what possible difference would that make to me? Unless, of course, I want to do an "attack" post against a particular candidate.

[Hoppin_Mad]

36. Actually, he has been my 2nd favorite top-tier candidate

I've been trying to 'get over' his Militarism, but it seems not to be working.