Clark, Gephardt can "stop Dean"

[_Jumper_]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/The%20Democrats_December%202003.htm

Dean v. Gephardt National New Hampshire
Dean 36% 68%
Gephardt 31% 22%
Not Sure 32% 10%



Dean v. Clark National New Hampshire
Dean 36% 59%
Clark 34% 30%
Not Sure 31% 10%

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

1. Nice DLC avatar

hmm.

Don't the "free trade" neo-liberals of the DLC hate Gephardt for his pro-union, "protectionist" policies?

[_Jumper_]

5. Gephardt can win and that will mean no draft

The draft is the #1 issue for me in 2004.

[Lone Pawn]

2. Oh boy!

So all that has to happen to stop Dean is...

...everyone but Clark and Dean drop out.

[eileen from OH]

3. Um, maybe I'm reading it wrong

but isn't aren't these the Dec. 10 figures?

eileen from OH

[_Jumper_]

4. You are correct

Clark and Gephardt probably lead Dean now.

[eileen from OH]

8. Ah, ferpetesake

the damn link on the very page you cited goes to a subsequent poll that has Dean even further ahead.

Hell, polls are stoopid and I take 'em with a huge grain of salt, but this is really stoopid.

Why do you people do this stuff?

eileen from OH

[_Jumper_]

10. That poll was conducted 12/8-12/10

Dean's number have fallen since Saddam's capture. A recent poll found that Dean has lost almost one-sixth of his support.

[eileen from OH]

11. And that poll of 12/10 has a LINK TO A SUBSEQUENT POLL

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Gore%20Boosts%20Dean%20December%202003.htm

on 12/11, yes, AFTER that one. .. that has Dean even further ahead. (I hope that link works - just a copy & paste right? Somebody PM me if there's a trick to linking.) Anyhow, on the very page you linked to in your original post there is a link to a LATER POLL. Read down, right before the chart.

As to your assertion that Dean's numbers have fallen, losing 1/6th of his support, etc., um, where's that from? Ain't from this poll. Is it the most recent poll from somewhere else? Is it comparing 2 polls, done by the same outfit, using the same methodology?

Look, any of us can go cherry-picking across polls and come up with anything we want, including probably that Lieberman is the hottest Dem. But you convince no one if you do this kind of stuff.

Polls are kinda fun, but they don't prove anything, especially if you only pluck the ones that support whatever you're trying to prove, with a blatant disregard for when and how they were done.

eileen from OH

[_Jumper_]

12. Things have changed since Dean's reaction to Saddam's capture...

...and his Bin Laden statement. Here is a link to the thread about Dean losing nearly one-sixth of his support:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=67091

[eileen from OH]

18. Okay, I get where you're coming from. . .

but still don't know why you started a thread with the Dec. 10 poll - especiallly since Matt had already posted the most current one.

???????

eileen from OH

[_Jumper_]

19. It is intended for those that fear a Dean nomination

This is the only poll I have seen that shows how Dean fares against other Democrats in head-to-head matchups. From this it is clear that only Clark and Gephardt are viable alternatives to Dean. That was the primary purpose of my post.

[adamrsilva]

9. Uh no

Dean increased his lead...

[windansea]

6. hmmmmmmmmmmm

However, a majority (53%) of voters say it is possible they could change their mind prior to Election Day.

[adamrsilva]

7. I agree, only Gephardt or Clark (more likely) can defeat Dean.

But I really think that will only happen if

1) Gephardt beats Dean is Iowa

or

2) Clark gets number 2 in NH and does better in the Feb primaries than Dean.

[Forkboy]

13. Maybe they can stop Muslims too!

<sarcasm>

[_Jumper_]

16. So you think that all Muslims are radical Islamists?

:wow:

[Forkboy]

17. Not me

how about you?

[WillyT]

14. OK, Maybe One Of You Clark Supporters Could Explain To _Jumper_...

about dates and trends, and stuff like that, LOL!!!

_Jumper_, seriously, are you being sincere here???

:shrug:

[_Jumper_]

15. Head-to-head matchups

This is the only poll I have seen that shows how Dean fares against other Democrats in head-to-head matchups. From this it is clear that only Clark and Gephardt are viable alternatives to Dean. That was the primary purpose of my post.

[WillyT]

21. Ok... My Bad, Thought You Were Talking About Head-to-Head With *

There's a newer poll on that.

[_Jumper_]

22. No problem

n/t

[retyred]

20. I love seeing all the polls with dean in the lead

It reminds me of all the polls during the mid-term that showed our guys ahead, that worked so well.


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[_Jumper_]

23. This thread is moot

:scared:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/05/elec04.poll.democrats.poll/