Sad, but Obama Team has only a few hours to NEGATIVELY DEFINE Palin -- or else our Women Vote

[Sensitivity]

advantage is in trouble.

A lot of independent (and uninformed) women will vote McCain/Woman just for the dream of some way
to get a woman in the White House. Gender and nothing else matters to some of these women.

Palin pick has some other advantages:

1. She has been a populist -- no frill, give to people, fight for interest of her State
2. Re-establishes McCain's Maverick reputation
3. She is young enough to become the 1st Woman president after 8 years of White House experience
4. She is perfectly qualified to be "McCain's type of V.P" -- daily enquiring on the health of the President

It is painful, but Dems have to vigorously attack this pick before it picks up support from those Hillary voters who desperately want their dream of a woman in the White House and are willing to believe that McCain is an Independent.

(edits)

[jakem]

1. plus, she should be promoted as a master of debate, that will be a strong match for Biden.

[Sensitivity]

109. Exactly: A LIONESS, despite her moral failings!!!

[scheming daemons]

2. Relax. Give the women of this country more credit than that......

Women make up 53% of voters. Why did Mondale/Ferraro only get 41% in 1984?


Because women don't vote with their vagina.

[greguganus]

35. Plus the soap operas are running at this time. (just kidding!) n/t

[Sensitivity]

95. Funny. But on point.

[DebJ]

112. LOL! "Women don't vote...." So true. We don't run businesses

or countries with them, either! Unless you are a Repub woman.

[earthside]

3. Oh, Please.

President Mondale and Vice President Ferraro .... remember them?

This is such a crass, obvious, patronizing political move that even low-information women voters will see it for what it is.

[grantcart]

4. do you really have such a low opinion of women?

most ridiculous post today so far

[MadBadger]

17. Its not about having a low opinion of women, but of the average American voter

Thats how we had people in the primary who liked John Edwards first, then Mitt Romney.

[Sensitivity]

100. Many average voter voted twice for Rove's mouth and Cheney's pupet

[denem]

5. Hillary's voters wanted Hillary in the White House

[VolcanoJen]

8. I can actually hear Hillary's awesome laugh right now!!!!

She's gotta think this is hysterical!!! :rofl:

[treestar]

15. EXACTLY!

This OP insults Hillary's supporters!!!!
McGrump's choice of this running mate insults them even more.

[caledesi]

45. Palin is NO HRC! nt

[treestar]

128. There is NO WAY she is a substitue for HRC!

None whatever! You are totally right!

HRC and Biden at least ran for President themselves, and showed that they can get support for that proposition.

This bimbo has had it handed to her on a plate!

To have this position, you should at least make a run for it.

[Mad_Dem_X]

48. BINGO!

They are not going to settle for just any woman candidate.

[ronnykmarshall]

105. and also I want to see a QUALIFIED woman elected.

This nomination is an INSULT to Hillary and supporters.

[liberal N proud]

6. uninformed - misinformed

[VolcanoJen]

7. In 1984, Reagan won 54% of the women vote even with Ferraro on the Dem ticket.

McCain's pick is stupid. Even history doesn't back him up.

[Jennicut]

14. Really? I did not know that. I am confident this will not move too many women

[A-Schwarzenegger]

9. Youre relentlessly hilarious.

:*

[blondeatlast]

18. Indeed! LOL! nt

[FVZA_Colonel]

10. I agree they must negatively define her as soon as possible,

but I just can't agree with your ultimate conclusion.

[Sensitivity]

66. I think it is GAME OVER if we can do it. Danger is McCain stealing the "Change" message

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. That's just silly.

Do you seriously think women will vote for that ticket only because there's a woman on it? The PUMAs are as mythical as chupacabras. Give us some credit for intelligence, please.

[Sensitivity]

103. Just watch. Polls will show that some women will. But if we EXPOSE her, that will change

[FVZA_Colonel]

12. Self-Delete.

Double Post.

[Sensitivity]

13. The RW PROPAGANDA machine is going to make her into a GREAT "woman of the people"

before we know what has happenned.

They are going to make McCain the "Change" candidate.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

16. You should know about the RW PROPAGANDA machine.

(Hagel.)

[myrna minx]

51. *Giggle*

:rofl:

[City Lights]

19. Quit insulting women!

ALL of us do not think with our ovaries! Some of us use our brains!

:thumbsdown: :mad: :grr: :argh:

edited for clarity

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. i think this entire debate about our women vote being in trouble

is insulting to women

[blondeatlast]

28. The OP is very condescending. And to have it perpetuated here should be

a banning offense. :mad:

Edit: I needed to make it clear I wasn't referring to lionesspriyanka's post.

[Sensitivity]

70. Why shouldn't independent women want to vote for another strong woman

Experience in DC is not what is cracked-up to be.

I am more impressed by Obama's work in Illinois that in the U.S. Senate

[blondeatlast]

71. Because she doesn't represent ANT woman's best interests.

By the way, that "OUR women" remark is condescending as hell. YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME and I'm offended that you think you do.

[Sensitivity]

74. For the last 20 years, Dems have always had the advantage in the generic "Women Vote"

It is a political construct. It does not refer to specific individuals

[AngryAmish]

91. ANT woman

Is she a superhero? Arch-villainess?

I snark.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

29. Yep.

It'd be like saying the black vote was in trouble if McCain picked Alan Keyes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. lol. yes.

alan keyes. that brings back insane memories of 2004

[demokatgurrl]

55. Or Condi. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. i think this entire debate about our women vote being in trouble

is insulting to women

[terrya]

32. The choice is a woman....AND a beauty queen.

:eyes:

Am I seriously reading here the idea that the former Hillary supporters are going to vote for McCain now because McCain chose a former Miss Congeniality with less than 2 years of governmental experience?

That's so insulting and stupid on every conceivable level.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. the choice is between 2 very different ideologies.

why would i suddenly vote for a bigot?

i loved hrc cos she is emphatically not a bigot.

[sandnsea]

22. It didn't help Mondale/Ferraro

Would people get a grip. A woman VP is old news. Big Yawn.

[blondeatlast]

23. "Our" women? Do you really think "your" women (because you surely DON'T speak for me)

are that stupid as to not see through this transparent call out to all 150 PUMAs?

No wonder your gender is hidden; both of them would be ashamed to claim you.

[apnu]

24. Press the issue that she has a history of anti-choice

and let the chips fall where they may.

[Sensitivity]

117. Agreed. But a lot of undecideds still believe that McCain is pro-choice and Obama is Muslim

It is amazingly hard to get through to some parts of the pop

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. This is post is painful to read

I feel dumber for reading it.

[blondeatlast]

39. Indeed. It's sickeneing. nt

[Jersey Devil]

26. No - PUMAs are not pro-woman, they are anti-Obama

That is not a real movement. It is a bunch of disaffected people who normally don't vote at all being led around by Republican opportunists.

[Sensitivity]

52. Let's hope so

[Kool Kitty]

87. With all due respect, I know it is the start of the holiday

weekend, but you shouldn't drink so early in the day. What do you think, because we share the same anatomy with Mrs. Palin, we all think like her?

[azmouse]

27. Not at all.

We women are not stupid. We want someone qualified. Neither Rep is qualified.
Case closed.

[myrna minx]

30. My, my, my, just how stupid do you think women are?

:eyes: Thanks for the patronizing post. I'll just go back to the kitchen and watch mah stories and dream of the McCain/Woman ticket.

[still_one]

33. What they need to do is stay on point. mccain voted over 90% with on bush policy

If people are happy with the last 8 years, then vote for mccain, otherwise vote for Obama

[Virginia Dare]

36. It's going to take days for most people to figure out who she is...

enough of trying to pander to the "Give Me Hillary or Give Me Death" crowd. If they want to vote for an anti-choice, anti-civil liberties ticket, let them. There is nothing we can do or say to assuage their ignorant circle jerking.

[SoCalDem]

37. Women are not legos..interchangeable with each other

A right winger with ovaries is still a right winger.. The BRAIN is the issue..not the girly-bits :)

[trudyco]

46. Good way to put it - women are not legos. She is no Hilary. -nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

38. They have: Part-time mayor of 9000 people who raised taxes. n/t

[rucky]

40. Wasserman-Schultz is way ahead of you.

One of the most outspoken Hillary supporters is unloading on the Palin pick. There's no doubt Hillary will follow. As for Ferraro?

[Sensitivity]

43. Wasseman-Schultz is doing what needs to be done. Hillary sharp tounge would be a fantastic weapon

over the next few days.

[randome]

41. There's less time than that...

...for you to change your username.

[AzDar]

42. She's Pro-Life. Epic FAIL.

[Blondiegrrl]

130. Not pro-life: Anti-abortion.

In journalism school we were taught not to use the term "pro-life" because there is no such thing. The people opposed to abortion might be pro the fetus/embryo's life, but they're not pro the mother's life. Therefore "anti-abortion" is a more accurate term.

[Mad_Dem_X]

44. No woman I know would vote for her

Give us a little more credit than that!

[Sensitivity]

97. Nor I. But the Gore and Kerry campaigns showed me there are lots I don't know

[Overseas]

47. She is a CREATIONIST. Anti-science ! in the 21st century!

That should be enough to disgust people from making her so close to the presidency.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/29/111428/917/148/578527

[Sensitivity]

49. FOLKS, if we can make this PICK LOOK CRAZY then we WIN. But this is HARDBALL

It is not the nice thing to do and could possibly damage the Obama brand and turn some off.

[loyalsister]

85. What about it's the ultimate gender stereotype?

n\t

[jody]

50. Palin will be a formidable opponent in debates with Biden since she is pro-gun while he is anti-gun.

If Obama allows himself to be linked to Biden's anti-gun history, it will cost him votes in swing states like Missouri, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

[WinkyDink]

59. Get serious. She's dead meat after the niceties.

[jody]

60. I hope you are correct. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

118. ...

No, you don't, fuckface.

[Iris]

123. If that's all she's got, I'd say WinkyDink is right.

This might actually be fun.

[demo dutch]

53. You you really think women are that stupid for to fall for this? an empty resume and no vision???

[Sensitivity]

56. Who said "No one lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American people"

[democracy1st]

54. women are not stupid this is a foolish post its all about the Supreme Court

[WinkyDink]

57. McCain-- Pa*in ' 08!

[Love Bug]

58. I call BULLSHIT!

Has ANYONE ever been elected president on the strength of their "fabulous" choice for Veep? This is a stunt and it looks like one. I'm not worried about the response of Obama's people. It didn't work for Mondale and Ferraro had tons of experience.

[Sensitivity]

62. This is a UNQUALIFIED CHOICE. Biden's wife is more QUALIFIED TO BE V.P. than Palin

but we have got to get that message into the MSM as quickly as possible before they start
cycling the Repub fantasies.

[tigereye]

61. I don't think so

I really don't think women who want a woman in the White House would go for this as the way to do it.

[WinkyDink]

63. Aren't beauty queens CELEBRITIES??

[busymom]

64. I don't think so

ultimately it won't matter that she is a woman and that there are women who feel angry still...it WILL matter what her political views are.

[Sensitivity]

65. What matters are "her political views" ?? Since when has that turned a U.S. election

[busymom]

68. I know...I'm also forgetting how stupid we americans are...

While we're busy focusing on haircuts, affairs and all of that shit, the political monkeys are getting away with the real scandals...secret meetings with the oil industry, falsifying documents that they present to the UN.

All of this stupid crap gets in the way. Focusing on her extreme pro-life stance and some of her political decisions would be more effective (imo) than trying to make the risky move of focusing on her choice to work as a mom. It will be a huge turnoff to me if the dems go with that.

[spanone]

67. i think you insult the intelligence of democratic women

[Sensitivity]

69. McCain is going to firm-up his REPUBLICAN WOMEN base and Indies who could go OBAMA this year

[Mass]

116. Many Republican women are pro-choice and not so much pro-gun. And they want healthcare as anybody

else. This is a choice that does not make sense from a man who claims Obama is not qualified.

[Lorien]

72. Oh bullshit. There aren't that many self hating women out there

Palin is an anti-feminist, anti-environmentalist, whore for Big Oil (and yes, "whore" is the right word. She's no less of a whore for Big Oil than Bush, Cheney, and Rice). If you care anything about women's rights and the future of the planet you'll stand against her.

[otohara]

73. Independent Panderer

this is an insult to Hillary supporters

[ColonelTom]

75. I can't wait for Hillary's response to this VP pick.

She's gonna carve up this selection something awful. :rofl:

[LostinVA]

76. You never, ever stop -- do you?

[blondeatlast]

78. and never gets stopped. I must have clicked that button 157 times on this one. nt

[LostinVA]

81. They were hopping on Unity Day

ie the day DU turned bizarro, and everyone loved one another on here and united!

[book_worm]

77. your post is utter nonsense and no woman worth her salt will base their vote on Palin.

[Sensitivity]

84. Do you know the NUMBERS? -- Many women who voted for Hillary were socially conservative

-- as in PA, OH, etc

[Heather MC]

79. I disagree the woman who supported Hillary did so on an emotional Level

they connected with Her
just carting out a Prolifer with Breast doesn't mean these Hillary supporters will herd to her sight unseen
she will have to work for it
just as Obama has too

[MarjorieG]

80. You do have a point about the secrecy of the vote, and how dangerous we need to paint whole ticket.

Assuming he makes it eight years. More risky than maverick, at whose peril? Alaska is an all GOP machine, where does that put her in bi-partisan?

[Butch350]

82. Hello, Hello McFly....

Women are not studpid. Palins not good enough to carry Hillaries overnight bag.

[CBHagman]

83. She's been governor for less than two years.

I think that's one bit we have to get out pronto.

[ZombieNixon]

86. Please, if you think that one woman can be replaced with another,

and the "female vote" will follow, you grossly underestimate one of the most reliable Democratic voting blocks.

[Sensitivity]

89. OF COURSE NOT. NOT. NOT. But, the McCain IMAGE MAKER will "inventing" a V.P. to meet their needs

Obama surrogates must be seeking to throw a wrench in the works.

This is a media coup for the Republicans.

[woofless]

88. Bullshit.

[symbolman]

90. IMPORTANT! The Matanuska Milk Maid can't even run a DAIRY FARM.. Spread this!!!

The Matanuska Milk Maid can't even run a Dairy Farm.. do you want this person negotiating with Terrorists?

Please...

Matanuska Maid Dairy closure
When the Alaska Creamery Board recommended closing Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business, Palin objected, citing concern for the impact on dairy farmers and the fact that the dairy had just received $600,000 in state money. When Palin learned that only the Board of Agriculture and Conservation could appoint Creamery Board members, she simply replaced the entire membership of the Board of Agriculture and Conservation.<12><32> The new board, led by businesswoman Kristan Cole, reversed the decision to close the dairy.<32> The new board approved milk price increases offered by the dairy in an attempt to control fiscal losses, even though milk from Washington was already offered in Alaskan stores at lower prices.<33> In the end, the dairy was forced to close, and the state tried to sell the assets to pay off its debts but received no bids.<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

PLEASE K & R AND SPREAD THIS MEME.. We can take her DOWN with this.. trust me, I know, and people who know my activict credentials know I can call it when I see it..

Gotta get this to KO and HAMMER ON IT.. Catchy Matanuska Milk Maid, MMM...

[Sensitivity]

92. We need to DEFINE HER so as to make the PICK A SYMBOL OF MCCAIN BAD JUDGMENT

[blondeatlast]

93. WE'RE DOOMED. It's been 3 hours since the OP was posted, and

the Obama camp appears to have ignored "Sensitivity's" advice.

It was fune while it lasted, wasn't it?

:sarcasm:

[Sensitivity]

94. Just watch. It is not going to come via Surogates and Media embeds

Expect more like this all day:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=29634

[Alexander]

96. The OP wanted Hagel as the Democratic VP. The OP should be ignored.

[Sensitivity]

99. Not True. Said I would support if Obama's Choice. Please ignore rather than deceive.

[Alexander]

120. Not true. You kept pushing Hagel on numerous threads. Please don't rewrite history.

[CBHagman]

98. MSNBC is already covering the negatives.

Among other things, Palin's short relatively resume and issues surrounding her actions as governor:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1304605.aspx

[Sensitivity]

110. We need to get some RW talkers pissed off with this PICK like with Miers

[yardwork]

101. What? This choice speaks for itself as the worst VP choice in history.

The suggestion that any Hillary supporter would support this unqualified woman as VP is laughable. And insulting.

We don't have to spin this. It's already spun.

[Sensitivity]

102. Let hope we don't count on that -- McCain's Team surely will be spinning this as HEAVENLY

[Sensitivity]

104. If Harriet Miers was not QUALIFIED for Sup Court, why is Sarah Palin QUALIFIED as CommanderInChief

of all U.S. Armed Forces.

That is the kind of meme we have to insinuate into the MSM cycles.

[JDPriestly]

106. Palin's lack of experience makes everything women like Hillary and Sandra Day O'Connor

have struggled to achieve.

Palin spent 12 years helping 6 or 7 other people manage a town that claims a population of 6,715 people in Alaska. I love small towns, but does Palin know anything else? She graduated from the U. of Idaho. Nothing wrong with that, but is her experience pretty much limited to Idaho/Alaska?

This reminds me of the Suzy Creamcheese song by Frank Zappa.

[JoFerret]

107. What total nonsense

Insulting and silly

[Bluenorthwest]

108. Just a moment,,,,

Seems a tad harsh on the women of our Party. Time for some real stats....you do understand that some so called Democrats, registered Democrats vote Republican in each election...in 2004- Bush redoux- that was 11% last I looked. Were those all women? I think not.
And if you take a look at this year's numbers, all twisted with reference to wild cats and former first ladies, you will see the number we may see vote McCain is very similar to that percentage that crosses over each election....
Just saying. Before we go after the women by gender block, let's look at Democrats and how many actually vote for Republicans each cycle. This is not new stuff.

[lurky]

111. Hillary is smart-as-hell, independent, and tough-as-nails

I think these are the qualities that made her popular among her crowd (correct me if I'm wrong).

Palin comes off as a kind of lightweight Barbie Doll type -- a female Dan Quayle -- not exactly the persona I would expect to win over HRC voters.

[Sensitivity]

119. Then Hillary will take the lead in differentiating Palin from strong women leaders.

[lurky]

131. I expect no less.

Let's see how she plays it.

[smoogatz]

It was a bold pick. A BRILLIANT pick.

No, wait--that's wrong. It was a desperate, insulting and borderline hilarious pick, and further evidence (if we needed any) that McCain is a political jellyfish of the lowest order. It's a craven attempt to shore up his appeal among anti-choice women, and that's all it is. McCain just blew his last chance with undecided indies of either gender--he's going full throttle for the Bush demographic; the other end of the deal is massive purging of African Americans from swing-state voter rolls. Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Sensitivity]

114. It is our job as Dems to show that Pick is "desperate, insulting and borderline hilarious pick"

It won't just happen. We learned that in 2004.

[LongDistanceRunner]

113. Concernitivity says McCain is Great!!!

your attempts to undermine Obama are shameful

[Mass]

115. Women are not stupid. Just give her resume and remind that she is at a heartbeat of the WH.

It is insulting to women to think that they will vote for a woman because she is a woman.

[Jade Fox]

121. Utter nonsense...

For starters, a lot of woman are likely to view the choice of Palin as the stunt it is, and to guess she was picked for her youth and looks over more qualified women. After American women learn of Palin's anti-woman views, forget it.

You underestimate women shamefully.

Palin is most likely to appeal to fundamentalists and sexist men.

[Sensitivity]

122. I underestimate the knowledge of many socially conservative women.

Hopefully the MSM will help us EXPOSE her weakness.

[malletgirl02]

124. You are wrong

As many others on this thread has said Ferraro didn't help Mondale. In addition Palin has almost zero experience and I heard she is under investigation. Women are not interchangeable. I think your post is really insulting to women.

[Fox Mulder]

125. Anyone who says they supported Hillary...

and will vote for Palin just because she's a female is no way a Hillary supporter.

[stillcool]

126. Not. McCain's pick is a slap in the face...

to competent, smart, capable women who could easily fill the shoes of VP. Not only that it is a slap in the face to the American people that he would make such a poor choice to be next in line for President of the United States. He has just re-affirmed that he like Bush, does not give a shit about the American people.

[mokawanis]

127. You are flat-out wrong

A few hours to react or all is lost? Come on!
Give women more credit than that. Sheesh. This is not going to work for McCain.

[shadowknows69]

129. Oh stop it

She's a Republican. That's all the definition any woman voter should need.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

132. It's Labor Day weekend, kids are heading back to school and...

two huge hurricanes are bearing down on the South. Most Americans aren't glued to DU, Kos, etc. or whipped into a frenzy over Palin. If "Gender and nothing else matters to some of these women," then why bother?

McCain as a maverick is an effin' myth. I'm not sure who is pulling the strings, but I'm pretty sure the Palin choice wasn't his.

"Our Women"... really?

[AmericanUnity]

133. DON'T WORRY. GUSTAV WILL TAKE A LOT OF THE NEWS CYCLES DURING THE GOP CONVENTION - REMINDING VOTERS

of the horribly inept Katrina response - and the rest of Bush's failures.