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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:04 AM
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Biden is wrench in McCain's VP choice: Politico
I know I know, hell hath frozen over...Politico saying something we already know. Barack America is pretty dang smart. ;)


Biden is wrench in McCain's VP choice

Democrat Barack Obama’s selection of Joe Biden as a running mate is complicating Republican John McCain’s analysis of his prospective vice presidential contenders. Biden will make his formal debut Wednesday with a primetime address. McCain is expected to announce his pick after Obama accepts his nomination here on Thursday.

Some insiders are pressing McCain to make a strategic selection, one that beefs up his economic strength, enhances his chance to grab a state or amps up the partisan firepower.
“McCain knows Biden well. He knows how good he is as a knife fighter. He’ll take McCain apart,” said one Republican operative.

But a review of the much-rumored McCain shortlist clearly exposes the weaknesses each person on it might bring if matched up against the six-term senator from Delaware.

• The star of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney seemed to be rising this summer in tandem with voters’ increasing anxiety about the economy.

But a McCain gaffe over how many homes he owns — he told Politico he didn’t know the exact number — would take on new life if multimillionaire Romney became his running mate.
Democrats already have calculated that the two men own a dozen homes between them, valued at a total of about $35 million. That message could hurt McCain in two ways: It undercuts his argument that Obama is an out-of-touch elitist and would make Romney a poor match to Biden’s middle-class upbringing and common-man appeal on the stump.

• Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s strength is youth and executive experience. On television talk shows, he’s also shown a willingness to level attacks against Obama, although they are largely a reiteration of campaign talking points.

But Pawlenty, 48, may seem too young and inexperienced when measured against Biden, 65, who was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972 — when the governor was just 12 years old. During his service in the Senate, Biden has become a respected voice on foreign affairs. President Bush called him for advice after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Biden also is a two-time presidential candidate and a skilled sparring partner with years of practice against Republicans in the upper chamber — experiences that have given him a familiarity with partisan debate on the national stage that Pawlenty lacks.

A nationally televised Biden-Pawlenty debate “is unthinkable,” said one Republican insider. :rofl: rofl: more...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:05 AM
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1. The GOP didn't expect Obama/Biden
not in their wildness nightmares!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:12 AM
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11. If they didn't they were stupid.
I thought all along Biden was the best VP choice.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:21 PM
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56. .
:rofl:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:11 PM
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67. well we know they are stupid but
I think they were expecting another line up
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:27 AM
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24. That just shows how stupid the are. Biden was always an obvious choice.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:12 PM
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51. Sadly, the Dems haven't always picked the
obvious choice. The repugs probably didn't think we would this time either, BUT they were wrong!!!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:12 PM
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68. I'm glad Obama picked Biden!
I love his punches
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:15 PM
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40. The GOP didn't even expect Obama!
How many months did they waste planning a Hillary strategy?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:20 PM
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43. THat is why I wanted him so bad..
I have seen him over the years and I can't wait, the republicons are now trying to downplay the choice and say in every interview that he should have chosen Hillary knowing they are afraid of Biden because he knows so much. This strategy is being used for the people who voted for hillary but I think they will change their minds as they see Biden in action...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:33 PM
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60. Same here - I said early on that no one knows McCain's weaknesses better than Kerry and Biden
and both would be expert at TRIGGERING those weaknesses.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:10 AM
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69. yes Biden has more experience than most of the previous Dem candidates
I think he was a better bet than Clinton as he has a lot more knowledge of other countries and at home and doesn't come with much baggage.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:23 PM
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44. No one expects the Span....
woops wrong quote!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:05 AM
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2. Pawlenty really just makes me think of broken bridges.
I hope that repukes don't think that would be off limits.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:07 AM
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3. or let McCain pick Lieberman
Joe Biden will slaughter him.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:07 AM
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4. Oh, baby - THIS would be fun to see ->
Phyllis Schlafly, of the conservative Eagle Forum, was more blunt: "I think there would be a walkout on Lieberman at the convention. He's not a Republican."

:rofl:
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:10 AM
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9. In tandem with the PUMA's using their status to excuse their racism,
Phyllis Schlafly making Joe Lieberman a pariah due to him not being a republican is more like "He isn't Christian."
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:08 AM
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5. This man is going to be McCain's running mate - not even Biden can stand up to this guy


Seriously - how do you debate a guy who only wants to eat your brains?
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:05 AM
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34. ROFL!
Wow, that's... just GOLD. Zombie Reagan need braaaaains. :rofl:
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:01 PM
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47. I prefer this Reagan (R-Hell)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:11 PM
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50. If the NEOCONS could, believe me they would
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:08 AM
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6. our worst nightmare if mc cain asked cheney to his VP
Biden against Cheney???
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:11 AM
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10. I think Joe could even hand Darth his ass on a platter.
That miserable excuse for a human being CHAIN-KNEE!!!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:15 AM
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13. Oh, I'm sure he could....
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 09:16 AM by 1corona4u
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:17 PM
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53. Hey, that's a good one
I hadn't seen it before. Only Biden can say, "and...Cheney...is...DEAD WRONG".
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:23 AM
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20. oh god, I hate even mentioning this choice.
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 09:23 AM by alyce douglas
I want cheney to burn in hell. I do not trust this man at all.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:19 PM
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55. Going up against Biden in a debate
might be equivalent to "burning in hell". I can see Dick snarling and hissing now.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:14 AM
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12. You're kidding, right?
Cheney as McCain's VP makes Obama's case: McSame equals Bush.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:08 AM
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7. McCain's not thinking outside the box. Ben Stein.
That's right. Ben Stein. He's well traveled, knows economics (in an Alice in Wonderland kind of way), and won't draw a sweat during debates.

:sarcasm:
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:53 AM
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30. Nah, The Dems would just need to buy
a case of Visine to "get the red out" of America. Ben couldn't stand up to Joe.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:02 AM
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32. What an exciting ti.... zzzzzzz... nt
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:05 AM
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35. That would be hideous.
Expelled alone should disqualify him. Ugh.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:47 PM
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65. Bueller? Bueller?
:rofl:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:08 AM
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8. It's over for the GOP...
they cannot compare to our ticket. They have nothing going for them.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:25 AM
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21. except their illegal invasions and death and destruction.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:29 AM
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25. that's right, and that's why we're going to kick their ass!!!!
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 09:30 AM by cricket08
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:50 AM
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29. They have an army of brainless sycophants and the corporate media on their side
don't underestimate either one
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:01 AM
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31. I know.....it's going to be a fight....
but one I know we can win.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:19 PM
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42. Even if they start a war with Russia?
Here's hoping they don't seal our borders when they do it, because I'm fucking outta here if it goes down like this.
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damndude Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:16 AM
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14. what we have essentially is two presidential candidates
on out ticket that together represent the entirety of america. added to the fact that hillary's fall and rise affords her a seat at the big boys table creates a trinity that the republicans must looking at with a certain amount of fear.
they were expecting a clinton/weak democrat or obama/weak democrat. they weren't expecting obama to choose a running mate who would make as good if not better president than himself and certainly did not anticipate the clintons placing country ahead of ego.
there is hand wringing going on in arizona i believe.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 AM
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17. exactly
We got the whole package, two winners. Great post.

:thumbsup:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:18 AM
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15. “McCain knows Biden well. He knows how good he is as a knife fighter. He’ll take McCain apart,”
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:19 AM
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16. You know the debate I'd even pay money to watch - Biden vs. McCain
Knowing these bums they'll limit the VP debates to just one.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:21 AM
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18. Biden will help us destroy McCunt.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:26 AM
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23. oh for sure, Biden will chew him up and spit him out.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:22 AM
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19. Call in Sick
I think the repubs are going to call in sick for the debates this year.

I can hear the GOP/MSM now...

"Debates are elitist"...

"Debating was invented by Muslims"...

"Debating is an example of the Democrat's wasteful tax and spend policy"...

"Debating would insult all the Hillary supporters, they were looking forward to seeing Her"...

"I don't like to talk about it, but when I was a POW I didn't have a debate"...
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:26 AM
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22. Hoping for Pawlenty
I'll take Mittens as well.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:34 AM
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26. Since the Biden pick, I don't think anyone wants the GOP VP. n/t
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:09 PM
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49. I find that really hysterical.
BWAHAHAHAHA, the NEOCONS are skeered of Joe.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:25 PM
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57. Especially not Rudy
He checked his calendar and he is booked solid until 2012!
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thenext8seconds Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:39 AM
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27. Wouldn't it be funny is McCain chose Colin Powell
because you can't spell Powell without P-O-W!!!!!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:28 PM
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58. Don't give them any ideas!
I can see the bumper stickers now - McCain/POWell.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:48 PM
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66. I have to think Powell would decline
if he has any remorse whatsoever for his role in the Bush regime.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:44 AM
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28. Dem VP: too many good choices. GOP VP: no good choices.
Like the USA Redeem team, our team is simply too deep for the GOP to counter.

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trewsx11 Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:04 AM
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33. Ever since Obama chose Biden, he's been tanking in the polls.
If you actually talk to Republicans and read what they've been saying on the internet, you would know that they HOPED Obama would choose Biden and feared Bayh the most.

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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:12 AM
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36. We shall see.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:19 AM
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37. Riiiiight.
It's not even been a week.

I think the sample size is a wee bit small.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:21 AM
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38. LOL...OOOkay.
:rofl:
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:32 AM
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39. Yeah right! Just bitter Hillary supporters who are acting out
because she was not picked.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:24 PM
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45. Wow, you really did disrupt poorly!
:rofl:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:12 PM
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52. Oh please.
Bayh? BAYHDEN!!
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javadu Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:17 PM
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54. I Am So Disappointed
Is this the best you can do? I mean come on.

:dunce:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:34 PM
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62. Thanks mods! Keep up the good work....
...:thumbsup:
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:19 AM
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70. I kinda think this is fucking bullshit--no one fears Evan "Milquetoast" Bayh.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:17 PM
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41. I heard romney this morning..
and he said something about he couldn't win a debate with Biden...
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:30 PM
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59. I heard that too
and I'm betting he wishes he could take those words back.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:29 PM
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46. Biden's the real deal not some
slick political trick..eat dust mccain.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:07 PM
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48. Hoping for big MSM VP announcement buildup, to be followed by more crickets
"And the winner of the 2008 GOP VP beauty contest is.......


"Wait for it!.....


"It really is exciting!.....

"This is dramatic!......

"I promise......


"It's MIT ROMNEY! Wooo Hoooo!!!! :party::party::party::party::party:

:boring:

:boring:


:boring:

:boring:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:33 PM
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61. Gawd, I almost feel sorry for them
No, not really, but they are pathetic.

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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:20 AM
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71. We could run ads comparing the net worth of both tickets.
As well as the number of houses each ticket has total.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:52 PM
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63. Msnbc is thinking it might be Ridge - Hurry - get your duct tape ready!
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:44 PM
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64. A nationally televised Biden-Pawlenty debate “is unthinkable,”
said one Republican insider.

No shit, Sherlock. I've had to put up with Timmeh the Tool for six years, and I can tell you this with certainty: Joe would pound Timmeh into mulch in the first ten minutes of the debate and be picking his teeth with Pawlenty's bones by the half hour mark. Bambi, meet Godzilla.
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