Clark won me over tonight. Anyone else starting to sway?

[Cannikin]

[Killarney]

1. I used to lean towards Dean, but in the last week have

begun to lean towards Clark instead.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

81. Happy to have ya....

n/t

[Name removed]

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[CWebster]

101. Ah yes, the testimonials...

in an attempt to create the illusion of a bandwagon effect to cut into the Dean base and create the illusion of a exodus into the General's army. Ever notice that they are never conversions from the Kerry camp---although that is where support is falling? No, because they know which group they need to target to erode. That is what makes it all so obvious.

[Killarney]

103. Why attack me for only having 400 posts? Guess what?

I still have just as many votes as you.

And I have as much of a right as you do to my opinion.

That was shitty of you, I think.

[TexasSissy]

108. Yes, I've been attacked for that, too. But guess what?

I have been a registered, voting Democrat for more years than many of the people in this forum have been alive.

Over the years I've picked up a little knowledge, I have a few memories of past elections, and I certainly have opinions and the right to express my views.

[Closer]

2. NBD all the way!

[Democrats unite]

9. NBD will be his downfall

eom

[Clark Can WIN]

117. NBD is driving more and more into ADBD

every day. ANY Democrat but Dean.

[neuvocat]

3. Many people don't see Dean as a viable option.

Otherwise Clark wouldn't have been drafted.

[Closer]

8. Well that and

all of the Establishment flooding money into the Draft Clark movement to try and stop Dean.


Boy did THEY fail! :hi:

[neuvocat]

11. What establishment flood money?

And who do you mean by "they"?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

80. And how did they fail. Don't recall that there's been any votes cast yet.

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

14. My $100

pledged to the Draft Clark campaign was big establishment?????

I didn't know that! I always thought that I had small potato money!

[Closer]

20. Learn something new everyday huh?

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

25. Yes...

Just learned how truly wonderful that candidate, Clark, whom I support is. How well spoken....how good is tax plan is.....how glad I am to support him....How he will kick Bush's ass....if the media let's him get on the TV...in between all of the Dean stories.

The only reason Dean does best against Bush...is because 1/2 of the population don't even know who Clark is.

[Clark4VotingRights]

60. I guess my little $25 donations to Clark and Kucinich make me

Establishment too.

And the fact that Clark and Kucinich are complying with
federal matching funds rules absolutely makes them "establishment."
In the best sense of the word.

[Bucky]

74. Damn you, Frenchie. Damn you and your corrupt establishment cabal

I know you and your establishment ways Frenchie4Clark. You were at Bretton Woods. You were at the Skull and Bones society. You put that eyeball and pyramid thingee on the dollar bill. And now you are supporting GENERAL Wesley Clark with your corrupt $100 of ill-gotten booty. That's right, I said illgottenbooty! I'm onto you, baby!


Send me a DU private message ( ) to become a Teacher for Clark
Teachers for Clark beta site

[TexasSissy]

115. LOL LOL. "Illgottenbotty"???? That's too funny.

I, too, contributed $100 to Clark, but I don't think it was illgottenbooty.

[HootieMcBoob]

104. I must be a big establisment type too

I gave Clark $25.00! :bounce:

[Clark Can WIN]

118. More big establishment cronies checking in here

I given about $170 since the draft days.

[jpgpenn]

16. Do you mean the Repuke Establishment funding DEAN?

[neuvocat]

21. Like polipundit.com apparently.

I guess we'll hear how the Dean campaign accepted the money and will beat Bush with it.

Like Hitler said, repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.

[Scott Lee]

47. Uh oh.....TIN FOIL HAT ALERT

[Cheswick2.0]

48. woop woop woop

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:


Damn you caught us

[retyred]

66. I know

Isn't it great?


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[Jack_Dawson]

4. Swaying leads to Swooning

Be careful out there...

:loveya:

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. hehe!

:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

What exactly do you mean by that?

:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

:7

[Sean Reynolds]

5. Nope.

[deutsey]

22. Same here.

.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

6. Thank You!

I am thrilled that Wes Clark's message is starting to resonate with voters! He is a man of great integrity and character, and IMO one of the most liberal candidates in the field (yet he can still appear to be moderate and unthreatening to all but the most informed and the most conservative).

If you haven't had a chance to see it yet, I HIGHLY recommend the 15-minute or so video "American Son," it is available here in both low- and high- bandwidth versions:

http://www.clark04.com/americanson

DTH

[Kahuna]

110. We don't want no stinkin' integrity and character..

What's that anyways? :evilgrin:

[cindyw]

7. Clark won me over as a firm 2nd before he was running,

on the eve of the war. His time late at night on CNN with Aaron Brown was priceless.

[karlschneider]

12. I still think he can beat Shrub, and none of the others can. n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

15. So said the great prophet

Psssst!!! YOU know it and I know it but believe it or not there are still some people who don't know it! Appearances like Hardball can only help...

[karlschneider]

26. I've watched national elections since the mid 1950s from several vantage

points - as a Republican until 62 and a Democrat since, as a resident of Oklahoma, California, Minnesota, Florida and Colorado. I worked for George McGovern and will never forget the result of that fiasco. I'm scared shitless it would be replayed if Dean gets the nod. There are more than a few people of -either- party who will vote for a General for no other reason than he is (was) one. It's a piss-poor rationale, but we're stuck with it.

[leftchick]

19. agreed karl.....

Wes Clark can beat him because he can handle the Media like none of the other Dems. That is crucial when dumbass* has them in his pocket!

[stinkeefresh]

32. this is no time to be defeatist.

Bush will get creamed in the GE and any number of Dems could do it. Clark, Dean, even Kerry would probably beat him.

[maxr4clark]

35. that doesn't match what most of the country is saying.

[Clark Can WIN]

119. Clark, Kerry, maybe Gep or Edwards but no how no way

will we win with Dean. Too much athletes tounge.

[MidwestMomma]

86. It's really starting to feel that way to me too

I think that any of our candidates can beat bush but I think with Clark it won't be the nail-biter victory others might be.

[Democrats unite]

13. Welcome to the Clark Camp!

eom

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Clark is amazing.

He really is. He just gets better and better as time goes by. He is the man to take on Bush!

[unfrigginreal]

18. Hang in there

The call is going out now. You'll have plenty of likeminded converts joining this thread momentarily. :hi:

[oasis]

23. Clark's a stronger #2 with me now. I'm solidly behind Kerry.

[maxr4clark]

37. Glad to hear it.

I wish Kerry's early campaign had gone better. I hope it will turn for the better with its new leadership. I still think if Kerry doesn't win outright, he's the best among the candidates as a VP.

[Monte Carlo]

24. Clark is my close 2nd choice...

... and getting closer. He strikes me as a man who can get things done and look good doing it, someone who can command respect in debates. The 4 stars tends to do that. I will definitely be voting for him should Kerry drop out.

[JPJones]

49. Kerry

And I, a strong Clark supporter, will gladly support Kerry if Clark doesn't make it.

[sandnsea]

27. The tax plan is genius

Pure genius. I'd be so proud to support Clark if Kerry doesn't make it.

[Clark Can WIN]

120. I would be proud to stand up for Kerry if he gets the nomination

I think he would make a fine president.

[NV1962]

28. I prefer to see it as the 2nd, definitive wind for Clark

I want to start saying that Howard Dean is certainly capable of wooping B* out of his appointed position. I think this nonsensical "cream Dean" business has to go - fast. His support is a very solid indication that he can't be dismissed.

Having said that... I think "we" Clarkies should follow Wes' example, focus on B* and how to best exploit their weak spots.

And looking at Wes Clark's very powerful performance, take heart, dig in deep, and give all the best we got to boost "his" primaries.

I'm convinced that, in due course, with that approach the just winner will take over the WH - and that we'll have a big, collective celebration ahead.

Excellent leadership by example. And today was a strong calling card.

Onward!

[Cheswick2.0]

29. he won you over from who?

just curious

PS... no way, I'll be voting for a democrat who has been one for more than a few months.

[Name removed]

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[Cheswick2.0]

51. OMG, you have wounded me to the bottom of my soul!

:cry:


But I wasn't asking you.

PS.... Clark sucks LOLOLOLOL

[Bucky]

83. :-D

OK, that was good. :D

[rogerhall]

96. You just insulted me - not quite the rebel flag crap, but close enough!

I'm not a registered Democrat either. In fact, if you had been paying attention, you would realize that very, very few Arkansans are registered for either party (Single digits percents).

Somehow, though, Arkansas managed to vote for Clinton twice. (Actually, we voted for him four times before that too.) Both of our Senators are Dems, and 3 of the 4 Reps are Dems. Not bad for a state with < 5% of the population registered as lifelong (or even year-long) Dems.

Much of the South is similar. Perhaps you think that all Southerners are unimportant since we don't generally toe a party line? :}

[oasis]

106. Welcome to DU Rogerhall.

:hi:

[Jerseycoa]

30. Great

Welcome :toast:

[windansea]

33. fire one

[FrenchieCat]

34. An 83 year old woman

that I know...who goes to this 700 Club type church...she used to try to make me go....said today...she likes Clark...

Now this woman loved Bush in 2000!.....so I am very convinced that Clark can transcende party lines and get many behind him!!!!

[thebgrkng]

36. I've been a long time lurker...

...very occasional poster who likes both Clark and Kerry. Today I really must say this is the first BIG idea out this election season that has me excited. (And I won't even benefit if it passes)

[Jerseycoa]

39. Has me excited, too

I don't benefit, either, but struggling families will struggle a bit less and America will be a better place. What's not to like, right? :)

[KittyWampus]

63. We WILL Benefit When These Kids Are Paying Into Social Security

and medicare and we are recieving our entitlements...

[MoonRiver]

62. I agree. And Clark has everything it takes to make our nation great

again. Welcome to DU!!!!! :hi:

[YellowDawgDemocrat]

38. Not unless he is the last man standing...and I mean the last

I've been a Democrat for over 30 years and cannot believe the day has arrived when a guy declares he's a Democrat 3 monts ago and my party fawns all over itself to run him against an incumbent President. I'll try to vote for him if he gets the nomination...honest, but boy it's gonna take a lot of effort.

[Jack_Dawson]

40. Again, Generals cannot declare party affiliation

But voting for Clinton (twice) and Gore work for me.

[karlschneider]

41. Well, if you're really a yellowdawgDem, it shouldn't take -that- much

effort! :D

I'm more inclined to support someone who's a recent convert than someone like Zell Miller who continues to live a political lie...(yes, I know he isn't running...just tryin' to make a point)

:eyes:

[retyred]

69. That's all we ask

retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[Turkw]

75. Ronald Reagen, and Giuiliani were both Democrats once- why are they,

the Republicans, smart enough to look at the potential a person has and we aren't?

They are the party of zealous religion and we are hung up about purity.

Clark is not the enemy, Clinton is not the enemy, Gore is not the enemy, Carville and Begala are not the enemy, Nadar is not the enemy.

Bush and Rover are the enemy!!

[MidwestMomma]

85. If I was Karl Rove, I'd be worried

Seems like Clark has no problems calling him out in public for the spin-master sleaze that he is. Maybe Clark's plan is to neutralize him before the general election so the W will be forced to drop him as a liability. Bush without Rove is a MUCH weaker enemy. Don't ya think?

[Turkw]

89. Bush with out Rove is a puppet with out someones hand up it's

A** making him speak. I apologize for the crudeness of this comment, but Rove brings it out in me.

Rove must be praying every waking minute to what ever dark master controls that black lump he call a heart for a miracle to save them from Clark.

[ludwigb]

42. Clark's tax plan is excellent

I am starting to waver after yesterday's debate (I think Gephardt was stronger than Dean), but I need to learn more about Clark as well. Between those 3.

[Lobo_13]

43. Not even a little bit

Sorry. He's still a carpetbagger.

[jonnyblitz]

44. Nope. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

45. If I were you...

I wouldn't use "labels" so much....that's what close minded people who like to stereotype tend to do.

Clark is a Democrat...get over it!

I know that it's almost too good to be true, but it is! Even George Soros believes Clark.....and he's got all of the money!

[Cheswick2.0]

53. yup, he's a democrat, he registered last month, that is very true

and I am a member of english royalty, just registered last month.

[texasmom]

76. I'm a Democrat, and I've never registered.

We don't register political affiliation in Texas. I don't have to register formally as a Democrat to be a Democrat and to vote Democratic. Of all the arguments used against Clark, this is the absolute weakest.

[Leilani]

91. The Dems have been losing numbers for years

You should be happy Clark is a Dem...He makes us competitive in parts of the country that Dean can't compete in.

There are plenty of people out there in Bush country who are dissatisfied, but will not vote for a gov. from a small New Eng state with no foreign policy experience, who is perceived as a whacky liberal & angry to boot.

That's the way the country is now, & we have to deal with it.

[seaglass]

105. Zell Miller's a registered Democrat as is Richard Perle

doesn't that make you question your argument just the teensiest bit?

[HFishbine]

59. Please don't stereotype

the closed minded.

[Scott Lee]

46. Me. I was definitely Dean, now I'm starting to sway to....

Dean, still.

Gotcha. :)

[unfrigginreal]

52. Don't do that Scott, you're screwing up the tally

You put Clark up to 3 swayed and now I have to drop him back to 2. Sort of reminds me of his polling. :)

[SahaleArm]

54. LOL - That would have been a sign of the apocalypse...

:evilgrin:

[Red_Storm]

50. I started out supporting Kucinich................

still am actually but I think it's impossible to ignore Clark, his qualifications and the impressive campaign that continues to gain momentum every day. I'm going to continue to support Kucinich but I must admit, I'm following the General closely, very closely.......

[BeyondGeography]

55. Dean, Kerry, then Clark

Liked Howard's heated anti-Bush rhetoric, agreed with him on the war, but quickly concluded he didn't have the defense and foreign policy chops to take on a wartime president, Chimpass though he is.

Switched to Kerry for that reason, but his campaign just kept stumbling along, and then came the General.

Clark has the potential to transform this party. I'm utterly tired of Democrats being perceived as on the fringe of America. It's crap; most people agree with our economic and social policies and are socially liberal. It all falls apart over God and Country. In Clark, we have a candidate whose dedication and service to America is unparalleled. Only he can make a progressive tax plan sound patriotic. He can make us a majority party again.

Two things happen just because of who Clark is: The media respect him more than any Democrat (Russert and Matthews on consecutive days and they didn't lay a glove on him). And he has a better chance to govern. He can appeal to Republican moderates as a popular President who will be seen as above party politics. He can help us win Congressional elections. He is the Pubbies' worst nightmare.

[OKNancy]

65. I am saving your post

I might have to steal some of it too!! I am trying to convert my Lieberman-loving mom.

[BeyondGeography]

67. Hope it helps! n/t

[farmbo]

56. Puleease...you've been posting for Clark since you came on board

:)

No swaying about it.

[kayleybeth]

57. Welcome aboard!

He won me over from the Dean camp many months ago. Clark is the man to beat Smirk, IMO.

[arewethereyet]

58. nope, he gets worse all the time.

he does not even realize that "his" new ideas are old.

[Barbara917]

61. So happy you are on the Clark-mobile

:bounce:

Wander on over to the CCN and get yourself a blog. Tell the CCN all about it.

:bounce:

[Justice]

64. Glad To Have Your Support

of Wesley Clark.

He will make a great president.

[Clark4Prez]

68. Switched from Edwards when Clark announced

I heard the buzz early on from the Draft Clark movement. I signed on day one, volunteered, I have given money, and we are going to work on a fund raising concert in February.

Welcome aboard the Clark train, we are glad to have you. :bounce:

[IronLionZion]

70. on the fence between Dean and Clark

April 27 is a long time away so I'll decide by then. Oh and I turned a pro-Bush Republican friend over to Dean. Disgust over Bush's lies did the trick and Dean's charisma and honest message helped.

[Turkw]

79. Take you time, check them both out- excellent web sites for both

This is what it is all about, I hope you choose Clark, but am happy you are choosing a DEMOCRAT either way!!! 'cause Bush stinks.

[alwynsw]

71. What sway?

Clark's been the obvious choice for me since he entered the race.

[flaminbats]

72. This doesn't sound difficult.Want a lollipop?you'll be paying a fair share

He started out with what appeared to be a groundbreaking proposal. Unfortunately the end of his speech was a huge downer for what appeared to be a call to duty, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!"

I was even more hopeful when he announced what is in fact the basic truth that freedom and justice are not free, and that we are all obligated to pay our fair share for government services. He attacked the stupidity of corporations who get tax benefits for offshore operations. He proclaims that people who make more should pay more, people who make less should pay less. He stated that the 70% bracket has been cut in half during the Reagan-Bush years. The best part was when he spoke to the fact that shrub's cuts on the higher tax rates have hurt the working and middle class.

But alas...the devil shall always be found in the details. He proclaims that a family of four with an income of $50,000 a year or less would pay no income tax, very smart considering that more of our tax dollars are wasted every year for nothing other than interest payments on the exploding national debt. Remember, everytime one tax is cut..a more regressive tax is raised. He proclaims that all of his rate increases on higher income people will be used for rate reductions on lower income people not for funding basic services or deficit reduction, which truly is class warfare! He announces that his plan will not increase the deficit by one dime, sound familiar? Then he announces that the government shall determine what individuals pay in taxes, no need for any accounting. LOL no really..we patriots should trust the IRS to give us a fair assessment on what we owe in taxes, no need to get a fucking tax return and figure it out ourselves! :silly:

[Turkw]

77. Umm. there are TWO types of taxes, regressive and progressive

So when he cuts a regressive tax and raises a progressive tax, shouldn't we be happy? or would you rather we just keep the regressive tax?

[flaminbats]

87. If the gasoline tax in my state pays for improving local infrastructure..

why cut it just to pay for Clark's petty tax-cut?

Our tax code has become more regressive in recent years..and all in the name of ECONOMIC PROGRESS! :smoke:

I would rather see all of those tax-cuts and military dollars be used to expand health-care coverage, fund basic medical research to find cures for deadly diseases, and to provide foreign aid to the billions of people in the world who are living with disease, starvation, and unsanitary living conditions. Try visiting Sudan, Afghanistan, or even Mexico..and you see such nations can't even provide safe drinking water to the citizens. I take the view that our taxes are not too high, they are too low! And that every industrialized nation with such resources should be making every effort to fight poverty both within their borders and abroad.

For someone to make $50,000 and be complaining about paying taxes makes me sick! I make around a third of that, and yet I would be happy to pay more taxes if the government would cut the deficit and spend the remaining dollars on a worldwide, long-term economic assistance program.

[rogerhall]

98. Who is complaining?

You said: "For someone to make $50,000 and be complaining about paying taxes makes me sick!"

Who said they didn't want to pay any taxes?

So you think that $50k is a lot because you make a third of that ... well, my wife and I do a little better than that, and with our three children, we pay more in taxes than you make.

My tax share just barely starts with the FIC that Clark would reduce for me. The bulk of my taxes are on the food, clothes, books, and transportation my kids need. My taxes include state income tax and federal SS tax. I pay a self-employment tax on top of that, simply for the pleasure of hustling a few extra jobs here and there.

I haven't complained about a lick of taxes. In fact, I recently voted for the bond issue in Little Rock (which passed) so that our streets and public safty services could be repaired. We have lost tens of millions of federal money in the last few years - and I am perfectly willing to make up the difference to save our vital services.

But to suggest that I am somehow in the fiscal elite or don't care about the world is just foolish.

Would I like a tax break to help raise my kids into intelligent, productive, non-violent, and caring citizens? Hell yeah!

Will Clark's plan ruin the world at the expense of educating my kids? Hell no!

Are you really happy that so many kids in your community will grow up ignorant and violent? Would you not prefer to fix the problems for the next generation?

How is helping children petty? (Especially since helping children is helping ourselves. Who is going to pay your SS payments when you retire? My kids, and their kids.)

Why do you attack me for making $50k and in the same post defend those making more than $1,000,000?

Get that Horatio-Alger-log out of your eye before you talk about the speck-of-Clark in mine!

[flaminbats]

116. What bullshit!

Would I like a tax break to help raise my kids into intelligent, productive, non-violent, and caring citizens? Hell yeah!

Will Clark's plan ruin the world at the expense of educating my kids? Hell no!

Are you really happy that so many kids in your community will grow up ignorant and violent? Would you not prefer to fix the problems for the next generation?

How is helping children petty? (Especially since helping children is helping ourselves. Who is going to pay your SS payments when you retire? My kids, and their kids.)


I used to work for two CPAs, I know what single and married people pay in taxes at most income levels. You don't pay a more than a third of your income in taxes. If you make $50,000 a year, only $35,000 of this is hit by the marginal rates. This means your effective income tax rate would be 7% plus the payroll tax of 7.5% plus state tax which is usually around 5 or 6% depending on what state you live in. This means you would be paying 19%, or maybe 21% of what you make if you include your local taxes..which is closer to half of what I earn.

Helping our children is not petty, this is why giving them the tax burden for today's government spending is immoral. When I retire, most of my tax dollars will be used for servicing the national debt and military spending, unless the correct path is taken now very little will be available for Social Security, Medicare, or education.

What is petty is how little Clark's taxcuts will help the nation's longterm needs. Not to mention the fact that based on what you have stated, your kids are probably closer to my age than to your age..meaning that we will be the ones who pay for your retirement. I believe strongly in Social Security, but we must leave ample money free for the changing times without taxing our future to death!

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

73. Welcome

to the Clark camp.

It's a great place to be.

:toast:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

78. Welcome! Glad to have you

n/t

[tinrobot]

82. Gotta be honest...

I'm leaning as well (from Dean...)

I'm not totally jazzed about all of Clark's policies, but he would be very appealing to the middle in the general, and he'd probably landslide the military vote. Plus, he's got a great TV manner. He'd decimate shrub in a debate.

I think he might become the true 'uniter, not a divider' in this campaign.

[grasswire]

84. what I appreciated today...

....was his citing the "Hunting of the President" fearlessly. No apologies for saying that the getting of the Clintons damaged America. This is a man who knows what the Dem candidate (no matter who) is up against and isn't afraid to take the VRWC on. This is the man who can pay the BFEE back for Election 2000 and draw centrists and the military vote to boot!

I want the Bushes punished. I want to see them booted out the portico on their flabby asses. I want the Republican party split and weakened. I want Baker, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rove, Feith, Cheney, Rice and all the others to be gargoyles in books about monsters -- branded for all time as ogres and anti-Americans.

Clark can do this. He really can.

[floridaguy]

88. Clark is simply more electable . . . so

do you want to win, or maybe not?

[flaminbats]

92. If just winning is all I wanted, I could support Zell or Shrub.

But simply winning is not why I am a Democrat. As another famous General said, "a party without principles is nothing more than a conspiracy to take power."

ie..simply voting for a candidate or party that you think shall win does not make you the winner.

[BobbyJay]

93. Yes, you're obssessed with losing with ideology

You will support Dean, even though you know he will lose. It's the Democratic way. Why have John Glenn or Gary Hart when you can have MICHAEL DUKAKIS and WALTER MONDALE?

[flaminbats]

94. I voted for John Glenn in the 84 primaries & for Gore in the 88 primaries.

I am obsessed with ideals..but also with the reality that we need a sufficiently funded, activist government. If my personal needs were all that I cared about I would become a Republican cutthroat, or simply just not vote!

[OKNancy]

99. Gore in 1988?

He was pretty conservative back then. He was known as a "hawk" and he was certainly not the populist that he is now. Gore has changed over the years.....just as many people change like, oh, say Wesley Clark.

Edit: Here is an interesting and favorable article form 2000 about Gore's run in 1988.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A58649-2000Aug8¬Found=true

[flaminbats]

114. Gore wasn't more conservative, simply more mainstream.

He supported a broader tax on energy consumption..later known as the BTU tax, he supported a ban on developing and testing a new generation of deadly nukes, and unlike Gephardt and most southern Democrats he bravely opposed the Reagan taxcuts but still won his first Senate race overwhelmingly during the Reagan landslide. Many of the ideas that he floated in 1988 would later appear in his thoughtful book "Earth in the Balance."

[BobbyJay]

90. I'm solidly behind Clark.

I believe Clark gives us the best chance to win in November.

[Forkboy]

95. After reading this forum for months

the only swaying I'm doing is towards a third party candidate.Everyone here has convinced me none of the Dems are worth a wet fart :shrug:

[Loonman]

100. Firmly behind Clark

No Dean.

[giantrobot_2000]

102. Clark for Prez

I personally -- no strike that, CLARK'S POSITIONS and CLARK HIMSELF -- have swayed my father, my step-mother and my best friend, among others. He's the man with the plan for America's role in the world in the 21st century. He's a good liberal who can remake the Democratic Party into the party of peace, national security and social justice.

How many other Dems have the guts to stick up for Michael Moore when he was trashed for exercising his First Amendment rights when not a single other canidate had the guts to stick up for him? Imagine what it takes for a pacifist like Moore to encourage Clark to run for president. Name another Democratic candidate that Gary Trudeau (author of Doonesbury) was extatic about. Clark is a general with the charisma of Kennedy and the smarts of Clinton -- without the promiscuity! How many other Democratic candidates have the guts to duke it out with Fox News hatchet men -- and win?

Clark has class, Clark has the fighting spirit to sock it to these Republican bullies, Clark has the smarts and Clark has the Big Mo.

We will win in 2004 behind Clark. We will take back the House and the Senate on Clark's enormous coattails.

Tell everyone you know about Wes Clark! He's a winner!

[zulchzulu]

107. He's my 2nd choice, but I'm a bit worried about his lack of specifics

I've met him. I've listened to him and watched him on the tube. I was a little worried about how he doesn't have the issues (other than talking about foreign policy) down that well for my taste.

I support Kerry and enjoy his depth of knowledge on the full spectrum of issues as well as know he can back it all up with experience. He's a wonk and can do the sound-bite rap, but it's not what he's about. I'd rather someone give me the full skinny than some memorized schtick that borders on corny.

Clack is a little too "sound-bitey" for me, but a lot less obnoxioous than Dean, imo.

[in_cog_ni_to]

109. Sound-bitey?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here because I respect your thoughtful post and your support of Kerry, but I have never heard "sound-bitey" used in regards to Clark. :) In fact, I would say I've heard just the opposite. He's long-winded (he's MUCH better now) and if asked a question it's NEVER "just" a soundbite...he goes into an in-depth answer that could go on for a VERY long time....which he has had to learn to curb. He used to give answers that were a bit too wordy, but as of late, he has improved a lot. What kind of "sound-bitey" statements are you referring to? My favorite sound bite is.."I'll kick the shit out of them." :7 Now THAT'S a soundbite I can hang onto! LOL!

[zulchzulu]

111. I'm referring to this feature on CSPAN yesterday

Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret.) Speech on Domestic Economic Issues
In Nashua, New Hampshire, Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret.) discusses his domestic and tax agenda.
1/5/2004: NASHUA: 25 min.

On this page:
http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=Current_Event,Vote_2004

I find myself always saying "yeah, but...give me specifics..." during the speech. Even the audience seems to be saying that with their tepid applause.

Anyway, I'll take Clark's generalities (no pun intended ;-> ) over Dean's blabfest gaffes. But I prefer Kerry...

[thebgrkng]

113. The applause...

...was great. The sound was being picked up right from clark. It was in your typical nice hotel ballroom. Whenever they would change the source for the sound you could get a good sense that people were really into it.

As for specifics, speeches arent the time to go deep into numbers. people arent writing them down and doing the math. i think this is evident for each candidate.

The policies are all on his site, and in good detail.

(on edit: I too like Kerry; but this is the first policy in this election that I have really been excited about)

[bitchkitty]

112. Starting to sway?

That would be a big HELL NO.