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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:29 PM
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The MSM: Will the "fact" that Obama didn't VET or even CONSULT Hillary anger her supporters?
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 07:30 PM by jenmito
Even though they MUST know the truth, since I heard TWO people report it, one on FAUX, (that Hillary told Obama NOT to vet her unless he'd pick her), they keep stoking the flames with this "dis" of Hillary by Obama, further angering her supporters right in time for the Convention. And then they spend more time talking about how troubled Obama must feel, showing poll numbers showing how fewer Hilary supporters are now supporting Obama than a month ago. It's 100% clear that the media wants to see a fight at the Convention.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:30 PM
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1. How absurd that the winner should consult the loser about veep choice!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:32 PM
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4. Not even just that-but the media is making SURE that EVERYONE knows Obama lied
(in their version of the truth) when he said Hillary would be on ANYBODY'S short list! :eyes:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:33 PM
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6. It's all just a lame attempt to build a giant DRAMA!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:35 PM
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11. I'm afraid it WILL build drama at the Convention! And they're all saying it's mighty gutsy of Obama
to treat her so poorly!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:42 PM
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25. They're all disappointed that he didn't cave to the Clinton machine...
By the end of the convention, it'll be clear that the Clinton Era is over and CHANGE is on the way!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:09 PM
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44. I agree...
and I agree again. :)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:56 PM
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61. Thank goodness for that. The arrogance alone was stifling!
NT!

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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:55 PM
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38. What is TRULY perverse about this talking point is this
Do the morons in the MSM even get what "vetting" entails?

It means BO has his people poke and prode into every possible aspect of the candidates life. They set down with the candidate and poitn blank ask them - have you cheated on your spouse, have you had sex with animals or children, have you done drugs, all in great detail. They then go to everyone who has been a part of the candidates life and ask THE SAME QUESTIONS. They pour though their income, where their money is, they hire private detectives.

SO, it was disrespectful of BO to NOT vet Hillary when he was not going to pick her?

Only in the perverse world of american main stream media does something this abjectly wrong get advanced.

The fact is, IF HE DID VET HER when he was not going to pick her, THAT would have been the most possibly disrespectful thing he could have done.

I spent the afternoon watching some bimbo on MSNBC feed this softball to every R and hammer every D every segment.

I am STILL steaming about it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:59 PM
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41. It's so silly to even make this about Hillary - he has every right to not consider her at all...
Nobody would question McCain if he didn't consider Romney.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:30 PM
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2. They are going to keep it all about Hillary until
Hillary tells them to shut the fuck up.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:33 PM
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5. She keeps fueling the fire
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:34 PM
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10. How is Hillary "fueling the fire"? nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:49 PM
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36. Her surrogates (like Begala and Carville) are stirring it constantly...
She could call them off, but hasn't.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:10 PM
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45. Begala and Carville - M$M
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:39 PM
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54. How?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:33 PM
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Yup. Why doesn't SHE come right out and say she ASKED not to be vetted?
This is ridiculous.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:31 PM
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3. And Hillary is encouraging it according to the news since she
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 07:32 PM by az chela
wont step up and stop it .If WE LOSE it is because of Hillary
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:39 PM
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19. OMG!
If we lose, it's all Hillary's fault? She can bring down the entire operation? ONE person responsible for the entire campaign?
Puh-leeze.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:42 PM
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27. Hillary Clinton does not and cannot control the media.
If she had that kind of power, she would have been the nominee.

If Obama loses, it will not be the fault of Hillary Clinton.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:12 PM
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47. She could EASILY put out a video statement clearing the air, saying she asked not to be vetted or
that she said she didn't want to be VP contrary to the media reports that Obama dissed her.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:43 PM
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56. I would be very surprised if Obama's campaign managers would appreciate Hillary making
any statements on her own initiative concerning Obama's pick for VP or the process he went through to determine his choice. If they feel it's important for her to make a statement, they will request that she do so and they will set the tone of the statement. If she is asked I am sure that she will do so.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:50 PM
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58. I doubt he would be angry for telling the media he did NOT dis her. n/t
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:33 PM
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7. Faux don't know squat.
nuff said.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:36 PM
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14. Maura Liason (sp?) said that Hillary told Obama not to vet her unless she'd be picked.
nuff said.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:33 PM
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8. Didn't everyone say she had already been vetted?
Hypocrites.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:37 PM
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16. Yup. I was shocked to even see Howard Wolfson saying that last night! n/t
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:33 PM
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9. Someone just posted a thread saying that Hillary supporters
are voting for Obama by over 80%,I don't think that is less than before,it's going up.Those 80% have already made up their minds and manufactured "slights" against Hillary won't change anything.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:38 PM
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17. I heard and read here it was 70%. n/t
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:44 PM
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30. You're right.
But it was also the highest approval rating to date(since the primaries) and I expect it to go up.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:35 PM
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12. The latest RW talking point that has been handed out to the hungry vultures. Very predictable. n/t
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:36 PM
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13. Hiding this thread.
No offense to the OP, but if I see her name ONE MORE GODDAMNED TIME I'M GOING TO RUN HOT PIANO WIRE THROUGH MY EYEBALLS.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:38 PM
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18. I don't blame you. n/t
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:37 PM
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15. iF HE had vetted her, the question would be why didn't he pick her
He can't win this one
and he never said she was on his shortlist
she said she could be on anybody's short list
LOL
brilliant answer to me
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:40 PM
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21. Exactly. The media would have a negative spin on whatever happened if it didn't end in
Hillary being VP.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:40 PM
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22. Which is probably exactly why she asked
not to be vetted if he wasn't going to pick her. Imagine the field day the MSM would have if she had been vetted and not picked. Neither Obama nor Clinton are stupid and both understand the way the media would play it.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:52 PM
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37. remember the video of Hillary saying we need a Catharsis
She also told someone in that crowed that they where in "talks" with Obama's camp about her being on the ticket.

Her hands are not clean on this, she could have said that's for Obama to decide
but when she didn't the camera was rolling her answer was "we are in talks"
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:39 PM
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20. This is what the media does when they have to fill a 24 hour news cycle.
Without some kind of drama, they don't attract an audience and don't get good ratings. Without good ratings, they start losing advertising dollars.

It's all about the money. They need something sensational to talk about to keep their viewers interested.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:41 PM
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24. If they wanted to, they could fill the time talking about McCain's shady
donors/ties to terrorists. But that would make him look bad and they can't have THAT. :eyes:
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:42 PM
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26. Exactly, politics was forever changed(and damaged)
with the advent of 24 hour news.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:45 PM
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33. Right...
We got more news when it was only on for 30 minutes a day. Now we get nothing but crap 24 hours a day. You would think with two wars going on, they would have plenty to talk about without trying to "entertain" us.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:41 PM
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23. We are going to get a lot of viewers to the Democratic convention that would never watch
faux and cnn are going to be the vehicles where they will spread the word why we cannot afford 4 more years of bush/mccain policy

and they will also demonstrate how united the Democrats are, in spite of their efforts to divide us





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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:43 PM
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28. I sure HOPE we're not divided in front of all those viewers!
I know that's what the media is trying to cause, though.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:48 PM
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35. I have no doubt the media will try to find a pseudo Clinton supporter to say they are
voting for mccain, but Hillary WILL set the record straight, and there will be no doubt that mccain wasted money trying to divide us, because he can't win on the issues



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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:55 PM
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39. Yeah, but they're doing their best to try to stir the pot and anger Hillary's REAL supporters.
It's disgusting.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:57 PM
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40. I know, but they aren't going to do it, especially when Hillary comes out /nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:09 PM
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43. I sure hope you're right. n/t
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:43 PM
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29. They can't see the forest for the trees
if you ask me.

1. Hillary did not need to be vetted. The press had been vetting her for the last 18 months. Bill did not want people in his library business, that is a separate issue.

2. Hillary was up for consideration for the VEEP position. How insulting would that have been.
"Hillary we are considering you, but really who do you and Bill think should be veep"

The craziest bunch of lemmings over the ledge I have ever seen.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:44 PM
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31. This Hillary supporter is pissed off!
I'm pissed off at M$M pushing this stupid story that isn't even true. You can't tell me that the Obama campaign didn't completly "vet" Hillary during the primaries. I'm pissed off that they are "creating" the Angry Clinton Supporter meme. True Hillary supporters became Obama supporters the minute she said "VOTE FOR OBAMA!"

I'm perfectly content with the way Obama has honored Hillary and her historic campaign. He has been more than gracious.

I'm thrilled with the choice of Joe "is right" Biden. This is a man who understands what America needs and his choice is proof to me that Obama also understands that.

Barack America!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:17 PM
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50. Thanks, Hatchling!
I hope there are lots of others like you! :hi:
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:44 PM
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32. If he didn't want her, vetting her would have been pointless
It's like asking "Do you like my dress" and you really don't like the dress, but you say "ok" and they say "that wasn't enough, you didn't say it like you mean it." You can be tactful - "that's a fine dress" and let it go, but you shouldn't go around saying "that is just one beautiful dress. It's just great, and you should keep getting more like it!" (or so I've heard).
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:48 PM
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34. Heya, Jen.....
...nice thread. K&R

And, yeah, why should Hillary have in-put into Obama's choice?

:shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:14 PM
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49. Hey, Hepburn...
Thanks.

She shouldn't. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:07 PM
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42. Begala says he's upset about the "politics" of Obama not "keeping his word" that Hillary would
be on his short list and at LEAST he should've called Hillary or even Bill about the VP choice.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. Rendell is upset at
MSNBC

All this being upset and a penny will buy them each two cases of "who gives a shit?"

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:20 PM
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52. What about Evan Bayh?
He was on the short list, and from what I could see, he would have brought absolutely nothing to the ticket. I was under the impression that his name was suggested by the Clintons.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:10 PM
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46. Begalia and Carville should start calling themselves Republican strategists.
They're the ones promoting this BS, and of course the media and Republicans will bite.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:18 PM
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51. Look Hillary is supporting Obama and Biden. This thing is finsished
get over it. It is only a GOP ploy and come our our dear memebers are falling for it!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:33 PM
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53. Are you telling ME to get over it? Why should I allow the media to lie about Obama dissing
Hillary right before the Convention?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:41 PM
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55. Have you contacted the media with your concern?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:47 PM
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57. I sure did-last night.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:12 PM
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59. not you
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:56 PM
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60. More lies about Obama - like that he didn't win the popular vote (he did)?
Man, they're in no-holds-barred make-up-shit-as-you-go mode!

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