Do you believe that Bush's poll numbers are up?

[GingerSnaps]

I don't believe that his poll numbers are up and I think that CNN (conservative news network) is lying so that Kerry will pull his ads off of the air.

If they report Bush's poll numbers up now and then tell everyone that they have gone further up after the convention :puke: then the right wingers will be able to rip the election off for a second time.

We have to get the word out about voting and how important it is.

Every place that I go I tell people to vote.

I have a sick feeling a game is being played with the polling right now on us so that the thugs can steal the election through BBV.

[Catfight]

1. I hope so, so he'll stop smearing Kerry and just go back on vacation

in crawford. He gets really ugly when his numbers drop.

[qanda]

2. They may be up, but I doubt it has anything to do with Swift Boats

I think it's probably related to the Olympics and the nationalistic feelings involved with America winning.

[jezebel]

3. New FOX poll out. Kerry down 4 points but still I point up on *

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130234,00.html

[lancdem]

16. That's a bit of a relief

[HFishbine]

4. The Big Picure

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. No.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. In fantasyland for the GOP maybe.

;)

[theboss]

7. Probably

I mean, when all anyone talks about for two weeks is whether John Kerry is a self-aggrandizing liar, it's bound to have an effect. My biggest hope is that Bush shot his wad too early. If this "controversy" had started on, say, October 15, I think it would really hurt Kerry. I hope everyone will be sick of it by the debates.

[jezebel]

12. I agree. I was worried because

the couple of polls from this week that would factor in the post Swift liars charges do look like Kerry may have taken a hit of a couple to 5 points. (LA times, down on Rasmussen today (first time at 46% this month, and now down in the new Fox poll (although he still beats Bush by 1).
But he has been taking nothing but media crap for 3 weeks now. If the drop is that small, I think it's actually pretty good. Bush has had 3 weeks where the focus is off his crappy record. But we've got 2 more months and the media is done talking about the swifty liars club. It will be good for Bush for the next week, but then his crappy record will be the focus again.

[theboss]

13. Clinton showed how to handle this...

Get all the dirt out of the way early and when it comes up in October, roll your eyes and say, "Are we STILL talking about what happened 37 years ago? What about what happens in the next 4 years?"

[Joe Turner]

29. I Agree

"My biggest hope is that Bush shot his wad too early. If this "controversy" had started on, say, October 15, I think it would really hurt Kerry. I hope everyone will be sick of it by the debates."

I think SmirkCo's plan all along was to breakout the Swiftboat Vet Liars sometime during late September to mid October. What happened IMO was that Smirk's polling numbers were so bad going into his convention that even with a convention bounce he still would be behind Kerry.

That left limited opportunities for the Smirking Coward to make up lost ground and put a heavy emphasis on the debates---A nightmarish prospect which Smirk's handlers dreaded for good reason.

[Tempest]

8. Overall, Kerry's numbers are up & Bush's are down

http://pollingreport.com/wh2004.htm

[WI_DEM]

9. I believe it is a very close race

why it is so close after four years of Bush is beyond me. But it is close, but I do think last minute deciders will go strongly for Kerry.

[Karenina]

17. The ONLY reason you believe that

is THE *CORPORATE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU. On-line polls are a JOKE. NONE of the polls are really honest anymore, they have ties, agendas and bottom lines to protect.

If *dauphin and his demolition crew are not Chavezed, the ROTW will accept the truth of your ACTIONS. Those "values" you tout, up to 3 years ago so loved and respected, become just stinky lying farts you blow out of your asses, while dropping turds on the world stage. You be wit *dimwit destruction or you be agin' it. So einfach ist das. Meine ficken Fresse... :eyes:

[Sideways]

41. Yeah Girl You Tell Him

Lying Liars Are Lying.....again and again....repeat and rinse.....

Close my fucking tiny great ASS. Kerry is fucking wiping the Bush Fuck Stick with his ass.

[Karenina]

42. Naaaaa Duuuuu!!!!!

:hi: :loveya: :hi: Girl, I was just thinking about you today!!! Nee-noo-nee-noo...

[LSK]

10. No

Why dont BBC do some polling, then maybe we will get a real poll....

[marlakay]

11. I bet a lot of it was done before the truth came out

Now that it is all over the news that Bush refused to see Max and other vets coming forward and the truth about the swiftboat thing it will change.

[Jacobin]

22. The little bit of movement...a few percentage points...

that changed in the polls, and that will win or lose this election is not looking for "truth" about the ads.

They see fifteen minutes a week of news and see that questions are raised about kerry and hear the fucking ad over and over again.

We need to fight back and go on the offensive with slime ads right now.

[emulatorloo]

14. Bush will go up, Bush will go down. . .why obsess w day to day polls?

Just work to get Kerry elected.

[Claire Beth]

15. maybe...BUT....

the backlash that is coming from the swiftboatliars hasn't had time to work it's way in the polls either. Bush will probably get another bounce from the GOPER convention, so we can expect about a 5 percent? bounce then. BUT, I DO believe Kerry will rebound strong AND Kerry is KNOWN for STRONG FINISHES. So, we just have to make sure EVERYONE we know (who is for Kerry) gets to the polls!!!

[GiovanniC]

18. My Prediction

Bush polls indicate him up through convention time. Then, throughout the convention, his poll number start to tank as the SBVT backlash starts to show through.

He won't be getting much of a bounce out of the convention, and might even see a drop in his poll numbers.

[Lex]

19. I agree. n/t

[GingerSnaps]

20. I think that Bush is around 30% in the polls

I don't believe the pundits, polling research houses or what they come up with about people loving Bush.

I haven't met one person that like Bush and I can't believe that half of the country are in love with the POS.

[amjsjc]

31. They do exist

Believe me, I've met a lot of them. Counting certain Redneck states I have no problem believing (unfortunately) that Bush has 45% of the vote or thereabouts. I would, however, be a bit surprised if he has more support at this point than Kerry.

[Claire Beth]

23. I hope you're right! n/t

[Karenina]

33. Do me a favor

Make sure Black folks, especially the elderly, if such are to be found in your area or on its outskirts, get to the polls and register their votes UNMOLESTED the by *fascists. Can you spell "PROTECTION" boys and girls? I knew you could.

Progressive whites, use your privilege well, protect your own sisters, Opas, cousins and aunts. If you live in an area where you believe the possibility of hassle, make it a family affair. (DJ got any SLY?)

We ALL need protection from those who would harm or exploit us. TPTB have managed to divide us, keep us fighting amongst ourselves, um Kleinigkeiten, as they ream us all up the ass financially and destroy our quality of life. Look around. WHAT is not to get? Unlikely folks all over the spectrum, all over the U.S. be suddenly "getting it." The anecdotal info has me much more than convinced that NO, Amis can be loud and stupid, but dey ain't THAT stupid. We the People are in a significant majority, quite aware the PNAC predators do NOT include our collective best interests on their list of priorities. They control the *corp info flow, but in TRUTH, We the People have the numbers.

These "polls" are nothing more than daily episodes of "The Bold, the Brazen and the Butt-Ugly." What a fuckin' circus. All politics is local.

[GingerSnaps]

34. They don't poll outside the white race

If they went into major cities the polls would come up with the truth and they don't want that because it hurts.

[Claire Beth]

35. yup!

excellent post!

[Jacobin]

21. Why wouldn't they be?

No discussion about IraqNam.

Kerry has been successfully slimed.

Kerry is backing off sliming back.

Kerry is listening to McCain about what ads to run. (earth to Kerry, McCain is working for FUCKING BUSH)

Interesting on DU how when the polls go negative for us they can't be trusted and when they go positive, its celebration time.

Magical thinking ain't gonna win this battle

[not fooled]

28. unfortunately...

...after the scum boaters have passed through the news cycle, karl POS rove is sure to have another smear ready and waiting...heard it's to be directed against Edwards this time (anti-trial lawyer stuff)...

By the way, anyone noticed how there has been a sudden drop-off of "news" about terrorists/terror alerts/terrorist threats? Seems that rove et al. want the morans to focus on the scum boat lies, and not have to focus on too much at a time. So, only one big piece of propaganda at once.

Once the scum boat story has died down, and if some new smear isn't circulating, bet that we start hearing more about "terrarism".

[Democat]

24. Of course Kerry's numbers are down - he looks weak!

He wouldn't fight back for two weeks, now he's allowing McCain to decide which ads are ok, he's trying to be "positive" when "negative" is what works.

The talk in the media is now about banning "all 527s" not about Swift Lies.

Kerry is getting his ass kicked right now.

[NV1962]

25. Yup, numbers are up in the air and made out of the same too

And I also agree on the importance of registering to vote - Kerry's chances are proportional to voter participation.

Vote or be square!

[Zynx]

26. I think the media have engineered a Bush bounce recently.

[GingerSnaps]

27. They want the negative ad off of the air about Bush

They will do anything to say that people don't like it even cook the books about the polling numbers being up for Bush and down for Kerry.

We all need to do a mass calling and email campaign to Kerry's office and tell him that he shouldn't pull the ads off of the air. Ask him if he knows anyone that has been polled?

[Zynx]

30. They've also had really weak Iraq coverage.

[Karenina]

36. Iraq???

Is something going on in Iraq???? I thought it was Iran or Israel or something! :freak:

[Doosh]

37. indeed, complete media forced bounce

it's like the willingly shoved Bush back into the race.

[RobinA]

32. Yes

I have no trouble believing it. When there is a deluge of bad Bush news, Kerry edges ahead temporarily, but when the bad news settles down, Bush seems to edge ahead again.

Considering all the bad news for Bush, and the closeness of the race despite it, I still don't see Kerry winning. I hope I'm wrong.

[tom_paine]

38. No. Imperial Amerikan pols have been sovietized

They are as believable as anything that came out of the USSR in 1978.

No more believable, no less believable than that.

[goodhue]

39. no

and I've seen no evidence that they are.
a small uptick within margin of error does not count.

[bushwakker]

40. They have succeeded in driving up JK's negatives

that is the only way they can win.

[Karenina]

43. They're just fucking with your mind.

Do you honestly believe that?