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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:38 AM
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Bush: Choose between Trial Lawyers and Doctors
What a crock!

Trial Lawyers don't award monetary damages.

Juries do that.

The definition of Jury: You and I

Does this mean that doctors should never hire Trial Lawyers? That's what it sounds like to me, bush*!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:44 AM
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1. How about a reply of
"We want both-with fair pricing and appropriate regulations. It's our health and our lives."

I'm personally for getting rid of insurance--except for catastrophic illness coverageo--as long as there is a reasonable fee schedule set and the AMA publishes its list of doctors who have been sanctioned.
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shadu Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:52 AM
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2. Exactly
Moreover, start actually firing the physicians
who continually mess up.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:54 AM
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3. Bush v Gore, anyone?
Classic Trial Lawyer flip flop!
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:01 AM
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4. What is wrong with that man?
there are two sides, therefore four choices

doctors and not lawyers
lawyers and not doctors
both doctors and lawyers
neither doctors and lawyers

this is why bush is such a shitty leader
he cannot grasp this simple idea.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:11 AM
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5. Bush: Trial Lawyers give $ to Dems; therefore, THEY ARE BAAAAD!
He has no idea how stupid he is!

He just trots out and says the shit his handlers tell him to say.

He's like a kid who learns how to ask "Where is the museum" in a foreign language, but doesn't know enough vocab words to understand the answer offered by the native speaker.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:36 PM
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18. And, that might be a good thing
Most foreigners would tell him what an asshole he is. It is best that he does not understand. Otherwise, his little heart might get broken and he would call in an air strike.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:12 AM
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6. GW wants to cap the value of a commoners life at $250,000
...But he'll settle for half a mil. And that's for a "Worst case scenario"...Your child's life is probably worth much less.

He can't understand how the loss of anyone's child or spouse could possibly be so important as to warrant cutting into a company's profit.

The real downside to tort reform caps is, as an example, if a car manufacturer knows a defect left the factory, they can weigh the cost of recall vs the total potential lawsuit liability, And may decide to accept loss of life as a buisness option.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:15 AM
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7. something has to be done about this
since I work in a hospital this issue is slightly closer to me since I hear doctors harping on this all the time.

They don't think Bush's plan is great, but they think something, anything, has to be done about malpractice suits and rising insurance costs.

Every single doctor I work for has multiple lawsuits pending, and I think all of them are great doctors.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:20 AM
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9. It is the insurance companies -- not the trial lawyers that are
Edited on Thu Aug-26-04 11:39 AM by merh
at fault. They raise the premiums, yet they do not try to settle - they litigate and let their defense lawyers litigate, in the hopes that the plaintiff will go broke in the process and give up.

The insurance companies are the culprits. I wish doctors would pay attention to the fact that tort reform was passed in California years ago, yet their insurance rates continue to climb. The regulation of the insurance industry need to be investigated and better regulations implemented and their outrageous premiums need to be curtailed.
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:26 AM
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13. Exactly - doctors are being played for suckers in this debate
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:21 AM
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10. Then they need to crack down on malpractice in their ranks & support
Edited on Thu Aug-26-04 11:25 AM by mbali
measures that reign in greedy insurance companies and go after lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits.

Bush's plan does none of these things.

I can't for the life of me figure out why doctors have allowed themselves to be used so shamelessly by insurance companies in this debate. The measures being pushed by Bush and the insurance companies - and championed by the doctors - will do absolutely nothing to reduce doctors' exposure to malpractice suits or lower their premium costs. Nada. They should realize this, but for some reason, have bought into the lie and put themselves out on front street in Bush's fight against lawyers.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:21 AM
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11. Also, the AMA needs to better investigate and monitor the
physicians. If doctors held other doctors to the high standards of care, then maybe the need to litigate would be diminished.

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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:28 AM
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14. Doctors are far too protective of their own and do nothing to crack down
on the small minority who commit most of the malpractice - but then demand that patients who are the most egregiously injured give up their rights to recovery.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:17 AM
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8. Choose between Insurance Companies/HMOs and malpractice victims
no nuance allowed!
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:23 AM
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12. Trial lawyers and patients are ON THE SAME SIDE!
Bush, the doctors and insurance companies have done a great job of convincing people that it's doctors and patients v. the trial lawyers. However, in the malpractice context, it's patients and trial lawyers v. doctors and insurance companies.

Clever message strategy - and one that's all too willingly swallowed by a gullible public.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:28 AM
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15. They are pro-disembowlment of children.
The defining case in Edwards' legal career wrapped up that same year. In 1993, a five-year-old girl named Valerie Lakey had been playing in a Wake County, N.C., wading pool when she became caught in an uncovered drain so forcefully that the suction pulled out most of her intestines. She survived but for the rest of her life will need to be hooked up to feeding tubes for 12 hours each night. Edwards filed suit on the Lakeys' behalf against Sta-Rite Industries, the Wisconsin corporation that manufactured the drain. Attorneys describe his handling of the case as a virtuoso example of a trial layer bringing a negligent corporation to heel.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.green.html

Republicans basically want kids to end up on life support.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:34 AM
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16. Except when those trial lawyers are on the side of the corporation
or politicians trying to steal an election.

Christ, I am sick of this argument.

My husband is one of those vile "trial lawyers" (pronounced in a derogatory tone and with a sneer on face). He does not do medical malpractice but endures all of the shitty comments from our right wing friends and relatives. These same people, however NEVER hesitate to call him at home at all hours of the day and night for free legal help.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:38 AM
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17. Bush should have a Doc represent him in the Plame investigation...nt
Sid
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:27 PM
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20. ha ha ha n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:00 PM
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19. "Choose between"????? What a uniter!
Red herrings are so tasty going into the campaign season.

Trial Lawyers
Gay Marriage
Swift Boats
Missile Defense


Feel free to add to the list of red herrings.
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