In revenge for Purple Bandaids - Keyrings!

[VolcanoJen]

Josh Marshall is right... this guy has an awesome idea. Thousands, and thousands, and thousands of key rings... whip 'em around, make a lot of noise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydusFDKdE4o

As petty as it is, this thought of payback... how can you not love it, after watching that abortion of a Republican Convention in 2004?



And, hey...w hich DUer wants to 'fess up for posting this YouTube? :-)

[Barack_America]

1. PTSD is not funny.

I'll pass.

[KittyWampus]

2. this is in reference to McCain's many houses

[Barack_America]

3. Sorry, but it has been reported that he reacts to the sound of keys...

Due to his imprisonment.

So I'll still pass.

[KittyWampus]

4. that's too bad about his reaction. Totally unrelated to the key rings...

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Try to explain that to the vast number of voters you turn off

You have to remember that most of the country does not hate McCain the way we do, they just happen to like Obama a bit more.

[KittyWampus]

15. keyrings would turn off voters? Alluding to McCain's many mansions? that's ridiculous

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Don't be so fucking dense....

taunting a loudly proclaimed POW, who has an issue with the sound of keys, with key rings is going to go over very very bad.

Stop trying to be a hard ass and put some thought into these ideas.

[mitchum]

27. Have his campaign try to explain to the vast number of voters why a man so batshit crazy...

should be president

[Barack_America]

9. Except that he REACTS to the sound of keys on key rings...

So totally related and a totally horrible idea.

[tuvor]

6. Reported by whom?

A link would be nice.

[Barack_America]

10. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6666480

[lob1]

33. Your link offered no source. It's still just rumor.

[Barack_America]

45. See the other poster's link. nt

[Naturyl]

16. Link is here.

There are behaviors associated with the candidate that would be consistent with a diagnosis of PTSD...Timberg, who McCain has said "knows more about me than I do," wrote that McCain's sudden fury is a result of Vietnam coming "back to haunt him." McCain has himself described having an adverse reaction to the sound of jangling keys, which reminds him of his Vietnam jailers.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/05/22/mccain/

[tuvor]

25. Thank you.

[Naturyl]

31. You're welcome. Feel free...

To help us convince all Democrats that this key business is a disastrously bad idea. In the unlikely event something like this actually gets organized and happens, it will cost us the election, no ifs, ands, or buts.

[VolcanoJen]

14. I wonder if it hurt John Kerry to see his Purple Heart displayed that way.

I understand where you're coming from, but it's a bit of a stretch to think that a joke about something that will never happen, i.e. giving delegates a set of keys labeled "McCain's House", would somehow be insulting to McCain's PTSD and War Hero Status.

This has nothing to do with his POW experience. It has everything to do with his current attacks on Obama, the classic Rovian mood of "blaming the other guy (elitist) for doing exactly what you're doing (elitist).

[Barack_America]

17. If you want to lose the election, feel free to run with it. nt

[VolcanoJen]

29. Good Gawd

Someone should tell Josh Marshall what a loser he is.

:eyes:

Sorry to offend your JOHN MCCAIN WAS A POW senibilities. Even though this thread has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Sorry to offend your "John Marshall only speaks the gospel" mentality

I'll keep saying it until it sinks in: From a campaign sense this is the worst idea one could think up.


From a petty, they got us 4 years ago so its our turn, school yard sense its "awesome".

[VolcanoJen]

48. Jaysus

C'mon Wolsh... it's a freaking joke YouTube video on a slow news night. Put your outrage on ice for a minute.

IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO WITH, LIKE, 6,000 HITS. It's not a campaign strategy from the campaign!

Overreact, much?

[Joe the Revelator]

54. As has been mentioned, its on KOS and "the front page of TPM"

all it takes is video footage of a stunt like this and the whole deal could be sunk.

Sorry I'm taking a hard stance on this, but this is the 2nd thread advocating this tonight.

[VolcanoJen]

58. Sorry I just worked a 12 hour shift and haven't been glued to DU or Kos all night.

Elitist. ;-)

[Joe the Revelator]

60. Maybe one day you can sit here like me..

eating arugula salads with caviar dressing whilst reading all the liberal blogs.


Don't take it personally, I wanted to get worked up in the other thread about this, but it got locked before i could get going :)

[VolcanoJen]

63. So take it out on me?

Go for it... judging from the responses, this thread will be locked soon, as it has probably been alerted equal to the amount of homes John McCain doesn't realize he owns. Hurry, time's a-wastin'!

I'll be your huckleberry, Wolsh! }(

[Joe the Revelator]

67. You're a daisy if you do.

It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Naturyl]

59. And the first thread, let's keep in mind, was posted by a tombstoned right-winger.

The unlikely possibility that this takes off and we actually do it would be a dream come true for them.

Rove couldn't have come up with a better idea himself.

[VolcanoJen]

61. So now I'm a tombstoned right-winger and Rovian dickhead.

Gawd, I love checking in on this place after working seven days in a row!

How relaxing and charming! }(

[Joe the Revelator]

64. Don't forget "fat dummy"....

I used that down thread.

Also, check your inbox.

[Naturyl]

65. No, you're not any such thing as far as I know.

I'm referring to the following thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6691513

Unless you're the OP in that thread, then you're fine.

[VolcanoJen]

66. "As Far As I Know"

Oh shit, I think I just hallucinated! Is it May?

}(

[Naturyl]

68. Well, read that other thread...

...And then tell me you can blame me for being a little paranoid. ;)

You gotta admit, there's a hell of a lot of trolling going on in that puppy - and not all of it from the OP.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. First and foremost, I don't want to sink to the level of the fat dummys at the '04 RNC...

and if we insist on sinking to that level, we at least ought to do something thats not going to send a lot of people running back to the GOP.

[Whisp]

70. what if them terrists have a buncho keys?

I'd say that's not a good thing for a CiC to have a known weakness to.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. This is a terrible idea that will only result in EXTREME backlash against us

McCain has already said that he has an aversion to key chains rattling due to the POW thing. If we're see as exploiting that it will blow up in our face so so so quickly.

Please understand what a horrible idea this is. Its bad enough to be a game changer.

[KittyWampus]

11. you think the GOP would bring up McCain's PTSD? And this idea is about keyrings

it's on TPM's front page and also a DailyKos recommended diary.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. What? Because its on TPM it automatically becomes a good idea?

Same deal with Kos?

Like I said, you want to put a nail in the Obama campaign's coffin, let this idea gain steam.

[Naturyl]

7. This again? Sigh.... (n/t)

[QC]

12. A thread on this was locked not even an hour ago

and the person who posted it banned.

Joking about PTSD is really shitty.

[KittyWampus]

19. Not only does Josh Marshall have this on his front page, there's a long diary on Kos

And this has nothing to do with PTSD.

[VolcanoJen]

22. Thank ye

What shit did I step in?

[Barack_America]

26. The intent is meaningless. The point is that it could be interpreted as a reference to McCain's POW

experience and is thus a horrible idea.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Exactly. And KOS and TPM are not Gods.

[VolcanoJen]

35. And the intent of Obama's attack on McCain's "homes" gaffe could be interpreted....

... as an attack on McCain's wife.

Maybe we should just shy away from any attacks, because they might be "misinterpreted" by knee-jerkers, and Republicans playing the hissy-fit-heading-for-the-fainting-couch game.

The YouTube poster says the keys should be labeled "McCain's House." But I guess that could be misinterpreted.

[Joe the Revelator]

41. You're married to a terrible idea

See below, people have already begun to think of better ones that don't risk blowing the election.

[VolcanoJen]

53. It's not an idea!

Good gawd, why is nuance and humor escaping you tonight?

[Joe the Revelator]

57. because some people aren't taking it as a joke and it doesn't take a crowd to make a news clip

See poster cryingshame

[KittyWampus]

42. newsflash, everything that happens is ALREADY referenced to McCain's being POW by his own campaign.

The GOP would never bring up his PTSD.

NEVER.

Because that's what it is.

And Keyrings have nothing to do with that. Unless they bring it up.

[Joe the Revelator]

46. Why are people so passionate about this really bad idea?

Its mind boggling.

They wouldn't have to connect it to PTSD, they can simply frame it as democrats TRYING to intimidate McCain with sounds from his incarceration.

[Naturyl]

47. Exactly right. Everyone considering this idea needs to read the following:

For the record, I *DO NOT* believe that PastorDan and the majority of those who supported his Kos diary about this idea intend the "key jangling" to be anything but a reference to McCain's many houses.

The trouble is, there are reports that McCain has a PSTD reaction to jangling keys due to his POW experiences. It needs to be understood that *it does not matter* whether such reports are true - only that they EXIST. If we do something like this, McCain's campaign will immediately accuse us of attempting to psychologically torture a POW and WE WILL LOSE.

I can't make it any clearer than that. This is a *disastrously bad* idea. We have already had one tombstoned right-wing troll in here less than 2 hours ago promoting this, trying to get people behind the idea. This will sink us if we do it and the right wing knows it.

[Joe the Revelator]

50. This should be made into its own thread here and on KOS/TPM

The slim chance that this takes off will keep me up tonight.

[VolcanoJen]

20. Good Gawd, I didn't even *think* of PTSD when I posted this!!!

Excuse me for not being able to log onto DU 24/7 and test its most recent sensibilities, but if one were to watch the video, they'd understand it's about THE HOUSES.

And it's not like this would EVER HAPPEN.

It's a joke on a Thursday night when there's little else to talk about in terms of GD:P. Lock the thread, I guess I'm horribly insensitive and somehow unknowingly picking on John McCain for repeating a video posted on Talking Points Memo, one of the most mainstream progressive websites.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. You didn't think about it, which is the problem, because I can gurantee you thats how it would be

framed by every want to be GOP spin doctor. And you know what? it would work.

[mitchum]

40. But in doing so, wouldn't they have to acknowledge that he is a walking time bomb with PTSD?

[Joe the Revelator]

43. I think a lot of voters would give an ex-pow a pass on not liking the sound of keys

Hell, the GOP spinsters wouldn't even have to say he doesn't like the sound, they can just frame it as democrats being insensitive to his years of POWness.

[mitchum]

13. I've got keys that jingle jangle jingle

[Alcibiades]

21. They won't jingle if you don't put keys on the key rings

I might add that, for a man who's supposedly key-phobic, he's accumulated more than his share.

[Mz Pip]

23. Maybe 'For Sale' signs?

I like the idea of some kind of symbol of his hypocricy but if keys can be tied to his imprisonment we should not go there.

[PatSeg]

37. Good idea

There are many ways to go with the house issue. We don't need the "keys".

[Joe the Revelator]

38. See, now we're cooking with oil.

[Mz Pip]

55. Or "Designed to Sell"

I know it's the title of an HGTV show and they might not like it. So is "Property Virgins". That would be funny.

[PatSeg]

34. Oh yeah

this is the kind of publicity the Democrats need. I thought this already got squashed somewhere else.

Disgusting idea. We don't need no stinkin' key rings.

[VolcanoJen]

39. Newsflash: THIS IS AN ENTERTAINMENT THREAD.

Sorry. Maybe move it to the lounge. It's not like this IS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN, whether it betrays "sensibilities" or not.

Jaysus!!!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. 10 keys to the 10 houses of course!

[Colobo]

49. No, thanks.

[brooklynite]

51. How about HOUSE FOR SALE signs...

..or more pointedly, WILL SELL HOUSE FOR FOOD...

[Barack_America]

52. How 'bout "Dude, Where's My House?" t-shirts and buttons...

Gets the point across without looking like we're mocking McCain's PTSD.

[Joe the Revelator]

56. Awesome

:)

[Naturyl]

62. I'm for that.

Funny and in good taste. Also gets the message across just as effectively.

[Barack_America]

71. Thanks!

Also gets a (bonus) subtle dig in at the senility aspect.

[Beausoir]

73. How 'bout you get off your ass and actually do something constructive?

This isn't 5th grade. This is IMPORTANT!

The clue-phone is ringing for you.

[Name removed]

74. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Beausoir]

75. The time you spend posting inane, infantile juvenile pranks here at DU could be better spent.

You obviously have a TREMENDOUS amount of spare time on your hands.

USE it more wisely.

[Barack_America]

76. Have you confused me with the fucking OP?

I posted that suggestion as a way to prevent them from carrying out their asinine plans to shake keychains at the convention...when it's been reported that's a trigger for McCain's PTSD.

If you're not willing to follow the thread, don't respond.

ETA: Also, that "prank" consumed all of 30 seconds of my time. Please link for me other "pranks" I've suggested on DU, because I certainly don't recall them.

[Beausoir]

78. No.

[Barack_America]

79. Evidence of my wasting my time posting "pranks" please.

If you're going to insult me, come backed with facts.

ETA: You also haven't told me what you've been doing for the campaign. How many hours have you volunteered?

[Beausoir]

83. See post #52.

Juvenile, childish pranks won't get us out of this mess.

[Barack_America]

86. So you're criticizing me for misusing 30 seconds of my time, when it took you at least as long...

To type that message yourself?

Riiiiiiggggght.

Okay, bub-bye now.

[Beausoir]

88. You've already had one of your replies to me deleted....give it a rest.

Tomorrow is another day.

[VolcanoJen]

94. Well, aren't you a doll?

"The Fucking OP"

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

101. Sorry about that...

I was pissed off. I didn't mean that. I meant whether she thought I had written "the fucking OP", but I shouldn't have said even that.

I don't let many people around here push my buttons, but on occasion people with that particular avatar (hers, not yours) still get to me.

[NYC_SKP]

69. We can't have a PTSD president, all the terrorists would need to do is...

arm themselves with keys.

We must stop this crazy man.

:patriot:

[Beausoir]

72. Childish. Sickening.

Get the fuck out of my Democratic party with your ridiculous, infantile "solutions" to the very real problems we face.

Get off the damn internet and off your ass and DO SOMETHING to help.

Jesus Christ. What a waste of space.

Truly....puke worthy.

[VolcanoJen]

93. Oh jaysus

Your hyperbolic response is entirely misdirected. Good gawd, my first few minutes on DU after days away and some DUer is telling me to "get off the damn internet."

And you might want to learn a thing or two about OP's before you lecture them to get off their ass and DO SOMETHING. Crikey.

[Erin Elizabeth]

77. I still can't look at that woman.

Four years have gone by and I still can't look at her and her horrible evil grin with those bad dentures and her disgusting insult on her face to everyone who ever earned a Purple Heart with their blood, including my husband, my father-in-law, my grandfather, great-uncles, et al.

Fuck the purple heart band-aid people. That was one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. May they burn in the hell of their own hatred.

Oh and if the key rings jingling is something that triggers McCain's PTSD, I think it's a sick and sad idea to have everyone jingle key rings. We're BETTER THAN THAT, goddammit. I won't lower myself to their nasty level, the sad sack o' shits.

[Naturyl]

80. Yeah, I hear you. It was disgusting.

So let's reject any suggestion that we do what will be perceived as *the same thing.*

[Erin Elizabeth]

82. I've been diagnosed with PTSD.

It's a bitch. You go along thinking you're ok and then something triggers it and suddenly the whole world is crashing down around you and you can't breathe.

I hate John McCain but I couldn't imagine planning some large scale thing intended to fuck with his PTSD. Or anyone's for that matter. Even as a joke. Hell, especially as a joke. I'm probably being overly sensitive here, so just ignore.

[Beausoir]

92. I'm sorry about your PTSD. It's a hellacious ride.

I was there. In 1993.

I don't EVER want to go back.

People don't really understand what PTSD is. PTSD people are all around us. WE are normal people. Normal folks.

[Beausoir]

81. She was an absolute monster. We need not sink to her level.

My father, both my uncles, both my grandfathers, ALL of my cousins, fought.

And ALL of them paid dearly for it.

[Erin Elizabeth]

84. It actually made me cry when I saw it on TV.

I had to get in my car and just drive and scream and cry for a while. What a fucking insult. They never thought about the fact that in their enthusiasm to tear down John Kerry, they were insulting everyone who was ever awarded that medal, that medal that you have to be seriously hurt for or die for.

[Beausoir]

87. It was one of the most infuriating and sickening things I have ever seen.

Even now...I can hardly stand to see her picture. I'm a pretty peaceful person but that woman really tries my patience.

We, as Democrats, MUST be better than that. I hope we are. It's kind of hard to tell anymore.

[bridgit]

85. Great set of choppers, wonder if she got'em down at the county clinic..

:dilemma:

[Political Heretic]

89. Please no more of the "hey, let's be as fucking stupid as they are!" nonsense.

My god.... :(

[Beausoir]

90. It's insane. The time that is wasted on this infantile tripe astonishes me.

[Barack_America]

91. I'm not sure what "ignored" has said to you, but I agree...

And, if we must come up with a little stunt, at least think through the political implications.

If people on the convention floor start shaking keys around, it very well could be the end of Obama's candidacy. Not helpful, to say the least.

[Political Heretic]

96. I'm ignored? What the hell did I do?

:shrug:

[Barack_America]

100. Oops! Lol...

Awkward wording there on my part...

Regardless of what "ignored" had said (the first reply to your post), I agree with what YOU said.

Sorry about the confusion

:hug:

[Norrin Radd]

95. Welcome mats? Unwelcome mats?

Doorknockers? (or would those trigger his delicate sensibilities, as well?

[Number23]

97. Big, giant, plastic keys

Like the kind that they make for babies.

So that way, even if it's jingled, it won't have anywhere near the same sound as metal jingling keys.

And there should be 9 of them, each with a big, bright color. And they should all be VERY clearly marked "McMansion #1" all the way up to 9

[Norrin Radd]

99. LOL

[sniffa]

98. You monster! Oh, how could you!!!1!

Oh, the humanity!

:cry: