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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:56 AM
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THIS IS LONG PAST DUE
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 12:01 PM by YEBBA
Brent Budowsky

Joe Lieberman has questioned Barack Obama's patriotism, and for that he should be removed as chairman of any congressional committee or subcommittee by Democratic leaders. The minute Lieberman said that Barack Obama does not put our country first is the minute that he disqualified himself from being chairman of any committee in a Democratic Congress.

This is an extraordinary step that I do not propose lightly. It is bad enough for Sen. Lieberman (I-Conn.) to be campaigner in chief for McCain and bad enough for him to speak at the Republican convention. When Lieberman goes the next step and questions Barack's patriotism, that is the limit; that is the end; that should lead every Democrat to support stripping Joe Lieberman of any committee chairmanship.

I predict McCain will not run with Joe — or with Tom Ridge, for that matter. Whether he does or not, for a senior Democrat to attack the patriotism of the Democratic nominee is an act of treachery and deceit and slander that has no place in leadership or authority in the Democratic Party. Lieberman can caucus with Democrats or not, as he chooses, but for any leadership or chairman position: no, out, damned spot, as Shakespeare wrote.

My view is that Lieberman deceived the voters of Connecticut in his last campaign; dishonored his promises to voters in that campaign; and destroyed, by his own acts, any legitimacy of his reelection.

Enough is enough. Questioning the patriotism of the Democratic nominee is disqualifying for any chairman position, and when Congress returns from recess Democrats should say goodbye, farewell, to any chairmanships or position of leadership in the Democratic Party.


PUT THIS IN THE HALLOF FAME................

JOE, TAKE NOTE SIX RECS IN 3 MINUTES
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:58 AM
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1. Joe makes me want to throw up - right in his face. nt
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SissyBoy Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:51 PM
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44. I Love This Site
I am a newbie but glad to be here. Nothing but the hardcore here. I love it.

"Joe makes me want to throw up - right in his face"

Great stuff!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:59 PM
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47. Welcome, muthuhfuckkuh!
glad you like it hardcore. (never heard DU described that way before, but yeah. 'tis apt.)
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:41 PM
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51. All I can say is, "Fuck Joe"....
Harry Reid should follow my lead, but, he has shown tiny balls in the past!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:19 AM
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78. I love this place
But it will ruin you for other sites that don't cotton to goddamnpissbitchshitfuck foul language.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:17 AM
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97. Welcome to DU, hardcore newbie!!!
:hi: :woohoo:
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:00 PM
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2. K&R
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:01 PM
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3. 5th rec
with an extra :puke: for good measure. JL is a disgrace.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:03 PM
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4. I *wish* McCain would run with Lieberdweeb.
Just imagine POTUS and VP debate match-ups: on our side, an appealing, articulate speaker; on the Republican side, bumbling, doddering McCain and smarmy Lieberdweeb.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:09 AM
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75. Joe "Alf's Dad" Lieberman
He's the vanilla pudding to John McCain's vanilla pudding.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:03 PM
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5. 12th rec
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:11 PM
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6. Joe's fortunate he didn't live in the 1800's.....
...they dealt with besmirching someone's honor a little differently back then...

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:13 PM
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7. we literally cannot remove him until january 3, 2009
if we remove him now, he'll caucus with the republicans, giving republicans instant control of the senate, for which they will reward slimy joe with -- that's right -- whatever chairs we stripped him off.

come the new congress, january 3, 2009, we'll have more than enough to control the senate without him.
THEN we can kick his butt to the curb.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:04 PM
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19. Couldn't we immediately adjourn for the year, and THEN remove him?
Is there any other stuff that has to get through Congress before the election?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:08 PM
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20. well, if we're ajourned for the year, then i'm not sure it matters if he's chair of whatever
i'm not up enough of senate procedure to know what happens if we're ajourned and liberman bolts to the republicans THEY want to go back into session. it's possible that darth cheney, as president of the senate, can call it back into session.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:09 PM
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21. I'm just wondering if it's worth putting up with The Lieb's shit for six more months.
n/t.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:35 PM
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27. Actually, we can't "remove" him until November 5th...
...as I mentioned above, the only reason he has any status with Democrats is because they need him to retain the majority. On November 5 it will be clear that Democrats will have a majority WITHOUT him in January, so they can dump his ass right away. He's riding on the sinking ship of republicanism.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 04:54 PM
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32. Why do we need him?
Fact is, the Senate leadership has been too cowardly to do anything that isn't filibuster-proof. Losing Lieberman won't change that.

OK, so tell me what concrete things will happen if Joe caucuses with his soulmates that I'm missing here?
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:05 PM
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59. At this point in the congressional session, we don't need him, but...
...unfortunately up until now, due to the makeup of the Senate the last two years we have "needed" him even though he's the pariah of the Democratic Party.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:41 PM
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73. "OK, so tell me what concrete things will happen if Joe caucuses with his soulmates"
One thing in particular, among others, of course...

If Lieberman caucuses with his Republican buddies, then the Republicans assume the majority in the Senate. This means they make the rules, have ALL the committee chairs, set the agenda, etc., etc., etc. Sadly, until they have a clear majority of true DEMOCRATS (which will happen in November) they will have to continue to kiss Lieberman's turncoat ass.

The only redeeming factor in all this is that the Senate (and the House as well) will most likely not do any substantive work until after the election, and most likely not until after the new session in 2009.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:17 AM
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77. Right. Nov. 5 he goes full-bore GOP
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 12:18 AM by Spiffarino
Once he's no longer needed, he'll become a roadblock to any attempt at holding BushCo accountable. He should be stripped bare of any standing within the Democratic Party right now.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:15 AM
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76. Lieberman goes Republican after November 4th
I say ditch his ass now, because he's going full Republican on November 5th. Once the Dems can control the Senate without him, they're going to dump him and he knows it. He'll turn coat and help ease BushCo out of the White House by blocking investigations.

Mark my words. There is no sense in keeping up this charade.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:09 AM
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91. It may be a moot point.
Lieberman can change sides of the aisle in a heartbeat (he already has one foot in the aisle now anyway) and may plan on doing so at the Republican convention. They will probably let him keep his chairmanships also!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:13 PM
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8. joe lieberman needs to get what
he deserves and that would be in a position where no one cared what he sniveled about next.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:04 PM
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38. I hope that position involves
being on his hands and knees being the unwilling love slave of some huge farm animal :loveya:
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:23 PM
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9. Long past due
well said
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:49 PM
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10. Joe Lieberman, former Chairman of the DLC.....
...who coulda guessed that this leader of the DLC would help Republicans get elected?

The curtain is being pulled aside on the DLC, and DU has helped.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:38 PM
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12. Al Gore was also a part of the DLc circle, yet he is championed here
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 01:39 PM by Tarc
as a leading progressive voice, and we were also 530-something votes away from 8 years ov Voce-President Lieberman, remember.

Stop acting like the DLC is some pervasive evil within the party. It is flat-out ridiculous.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:42 PM
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13. Perhaps you can explain why there is a need for the DLC.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:04 PM
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15. Al Gore was feted only after he tore himself away from the Clintons and the DLC to establish his own
identity and vision. Before that, everyone in the MSM and a lot of people in the DLC in preparation for the anticipated Hillary crowning kinda wrote him off.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:50 PM
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43. Hum, riiiiiiight...
DLC the geniuses who figured out that a "winning" strategy was to alienate your base (liberals) in order to appease to a voting block who would rather stick hot coals in their rectums than vote Dem.


Ever since the DLC appeared in the scene, the Dems have shifted more and more to the right while becoming more and more irrelevant.

The dems need the DLC like the human body needs the pox, thanks but no thanks.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:24 AM
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93. Go back and read the policy papers of From and Reed.
The DLC is the club for corporatist dems.

They have been thwarted in this nomination.

They are fighting to retain power, if they
feel they won't be able to keep control of
the Democratic Party, they WILL actively,
like Lieberman, work AGAINST the party.

Al Gore REPUDIATED the DLC.
His early advocacy for Howard Dean
is ample proof of that.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #93
108. The DU ignorati don't seem to read much ... "Assault On Reason" for example.
Far too many ignorati seem to post fecal-encrusted vomit on DU with but the faintest mirages of rationales.

Gore's perspectives regarding the right wing of the DLC/GOP/BushAdmin are pretty clear ... for those that can read.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. Why does the DLC get dragged into discussions like this all the time?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Because....
as former Chairman of the DLC, Joe Lieberman is represenative of the values, ideology, and political alignment embraced by the DLC.

Have you ever wondered why the Democratic Party has failed to effectively oppose the Conservative Economic agenda since the 80's?
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:58 PM
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54. Huh???
"as former Chairman of the DLC, Joe Lieberman is represenative of the values, ideology, and political alignment embraced by the DLC."

HOW LONG has it been since he was chairman of the DLC? Remember, it's been only a few years since everyone loved him.

"Have you ever wondered why the Democratic Party has failed to effectively oppose the Conservative Economic agenda since the 80's?

As a matter of fact, no. Especially since the Democratic party has NOT "failed to effectively oppose the Conservative Economic agenda since the 80's"!!!

More questions?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:09 PM
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66. NAFTA, CAFTA, IMF....
...Welfare Reform, Telecommunication Act 1996, MFN for China, Deregulation of Banking & Lending in the 90s (leading to Mortgage Meltdown & Enrons), Deregulation of Energy (leading to Enron), Bankruptcy "Reform" (supported by DLC), increasing the Pentagon Budgets, passing EVERY single Iraq appropriation with less than token opposition even when in the Majority, MediCare Prescription Drug giveaway, expanded H1B Visas, gutting of the accounting reforms after Enron (led by Lieberman), standing around looking at their feet while Unions were busted for 25 years (PATCO the first)....

I could go on and on, but that wouldn't help the willfully blind.

The DLC openly supported the privatization of SS in the 90s, now they do so quietly.

Elements of the Democratic Party have opposed some of the worst of the conservative economic agenda, but there have always been enough DLC traitors who voted with the Republicans to negate any opposition.
The Republicans have always been able to count on the DLC Dems whenever they wanted to screw the American Working Class.


You haven't been paying attention.
I have.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Yes, I have been paying attention, but....
....I'm not obsessed with bashing the Democratic Party, MY Democratic Party!

To give you an idea of how much I have been paying attention and how little YOU have been paying attention, for example, PATCO was busted in 1981 and the DLC was founded in 1985!!! So how did an entity founded FOUR YEARS AFTER something that happened that you're whining about ( :cry: ) support it? Retro support? :wtf:

You're welcome for the history lesson. I doubt I'll get a cogent response.:rofl:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #71
79. Is that all you got?
My post stands correct "as is".

You said:
"the Democratic party has NOT "failed to effectively oppose the Conservative Economic agenda since the 80's!!!"

I did NOT say that the DLC whistled while the Republicans busted PATCO.
I provided a date and incident that perfectly supports my claim that the Democratic Party has not effectively opposed the Conservative Economic Agenda since the 80's.

The DLC is merely the current incarnation of the cancer ($Corporate$) that infected the Democratic Party in the early 80s.


Pay attention.
Focus on comprehension.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #79
88. Its all that I need.....facts win out every time....
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 08:06 AM by George II
Nice dance and backtrack....AND stubbornness!!

You said what you said, its still up there. Whatever you say now to repair the "damage" of your first post is too little too late. You clearly have an obsession against THE Democratic Party and use the DLC (which many here despise for some reason) as your rallying cry.

Yes, your post stands "as is", but the "correct" in incorrect!

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #79
110. that poster obviously is DLC
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #110
112. No, this poster is obviously a proud, longtime member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY who...
....has worked locally to elect DEMOCRATS to positions locally, state-wide, and nationally. And I'm proud to say that I am a local ELECTED Democratic official myself.

You anti-Democrats, when you can't justify your anti-Democratic actions any other way always fall back on that time-worn, tiring blame of the "DLC", even to the point of blaming things on the DLC before the DLC was even created!
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iteach Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #66
86. Wellstone
Perfect quote from Wellstone. Oh, how we miss him.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #54
94. Not "everyone" loved him.
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 08:30 AM by PassingFair
Not everyone loves the "blue dogs" either.

Half of our elected representatives
in the Senate and Congress have facilitated
the ruinous work of the GOP.


They are accountable.

On edit: I just noticed that this post
appears after a post for Paul Wellstone.
Please note that I am responding to a
different post :) and am referring to
Joe Lieberman.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. Because they are corporate shills we don't need anymore
It's like having a republican cabal inside the democratic party.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #37
55. Anything concrete to justify that wild-ass observation? Doubt it.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #55
106. if you need to ask after having others respond to you on this thread
I fear you are pissing in the wind with that last reply.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. My conclusion several posts ago was...
...it's true, I AM pissing in the wind. Based on the vague, non-specific and downright historically incorrect responses the wild-ass claims here are just that, wild-ass claims.

I chalk it up to disgruntled people who either used to be Democrats or don't understand the Democratic party so they bash it and blame things on this mystical "DLC".

The most ridiculous claim so far was to blame the DLC for something that happened about four years BEFORE the DLC was created! Proved my point perfectly!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. I Guess I just Don't Have the Time to Be Specific
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 03:04 PM by fascisthunter
....the DLC is the corporate-financed arm of the Democratic Party. There is nothing progressive or populist about their agenda, in fact they are much more aligned with conservative Wall Street types so maybe they should move back to the GOP where they belong. They also publicly dislike progressives and liberals alike who want things such as clean energy, no illegal wiretapping, impeachment of BushCo, an end to the war, etc.....

They have been instrumental in selling the war to Americans, instrumental in demonizing liberals/progressives in the media and for the most part condoned Bush's pro-corporate agenda. Everyone of their members caves each time important legislation comes to the floor, and it usually favors the GOP, corporate America and the wealthy class, not the average American!

If you want specifics, look up legislation their members supported.... I will not be doing your homework for you, nor do I want to waste my time with someone as disrespectful as yourself.

We are through arguing with disengenious sellouts....
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. I was just waiting for that, one of your last comments:
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 08:31 PM by George II
After blustering on vaguely about the big bad evil "DLC", claiming that they were responsible for something that happened four years before they were even founded, all this vague "corporate-financed arm of the Democratic Party", "aligned with the conservative Wall Street types", etc. etc. etc....NOTHING specific, by the way, you take the typical easy way out by whining "I will not be doing your homework for you", the classic response that can be translated as "there is nothing to justify my claims, so I'll just send you on a wild-goose chase", then follow it up with the old ad hominem and FALSE "nor do I want to waste my time with someone as disrespectful as yourself."!!!

Outed as a phony with nothing to justify your scurilous attacks on the Democratic Party. Figured you'd tip your hand sooner or later.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #28
45. Wow... are you serious?
Lieberman is a former head of the DLC who is now campaigning for McCain after being one of the main reasons why the Dems lost the 2000 elections.

I honestly can not comprehend why you think that the DLC is somehow disconnected from all this mess...
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #45
57. Yes I'm serious. See my questions above, and be SPECIFIC!!
Lieberman isn't even a member of the Democratic party any longer, hasn't been for more than two years. So how can what HE does and says be relevant to Democrats in 2008?

Oh, and by the way, if you're so concerned about Lieberman campaigning for McCain AND IN THE VERY SAME SENTENCE claim that he is "one of the main reasons why the Dems lost the 2000 elections" you should be CHEERING the fact that he's campaigning for McCain.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:38 PM
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11. K&R
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:01 PM
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14. I hope McCain picks Lieberman. That famous Joe-mentum ought to slow things down for the repub ticket
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:33 PM
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16. Kick his ass out.
He is poison to our party. K&R! :kick:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:40 PM
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17. Rec. #60
:kick:
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:45 PM
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18. I GUES I HIT A NERVE. THANKS FOR LL THE OPINIONS
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:20 PM
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22. K&R
:kick:
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:26 PM
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23. McCain picking Lieberman or Ridge as his VP would make it real fun where I live.
I know dozens, if not hundreds of people who use the abortion issue to shame you from considering choosing any Democratic candidate.

If Crash chooses either Ridge or Lieberman, I will get in the faces of these people and ask them who they'll vote for.

I would think it would alter a lot of the area's priests' sermons, too. During election season, 99% of them tell you in a subtle way to vote according to a candidate's position on abortion. This is funny because a few minutes later in the mass, during the prayer petitions, we're praying for the end of war and conflicts (Iraq), capital punishment and other issues that the Republican presidential candidate's position is opposite of the church's. (I always wonder what's going through those peoples' minds when those petitions are being read, especially the minds of those who drove in cars with Bush/Cheney stickers and had Bush/Cheney campaign signs at their homes and businesses).

On another note, if Lieberman is Crash's running mate, he could become the first person to run as a Democrat and Republican VP candidate. And LOSE both times.
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savistocate Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:56 PM
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74. Stupifying this would go on..included in, when he's a political terrist.
Hope it is tho Pawlenty, pawlenty good for us, Sen O
Have not heard much said how the man is andhas been adamantly against upgrade on bridge-major traffic artery..all infrastructure in state secifically Twin Cities. A bridge that collapsed horror for those in it.

His "I don't care how much updating infrastructr in Denver---don't even think about this bill (for up-grade) $$$.

The Repugs cannot escape it with their convention there. search ..easy to find.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:32 PM
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24. Thankfully, after the November election, Lieberman's status with Democrats will be moot:
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 03:32 PM by George II
Once the Democrats gain a clear majority in the Senate, Lieberman will no longer have any value to the Democrats and our Senate leaders will not have to kiss his squirley ass any more. The only reason he has any chairmanship or status at all with the Democrats is that they need him to keep their majority. Based on projected election results, the Democrats will win some more seats, as many as eight looking at it optimistically.

He'll then be relegated to caucus with the slime of the Senate - McConnell, Graham, et. al.

That alone will be heart warming
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:34 PM
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25. The Dems need to remove him
from all his committees. I know he caucuses with the Dems but enough is enough.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:35 PM
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26. The death of the DLC was noted on August 20th, 2008
May it rest in pieces.
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penndragon69 Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 03:54 PM
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29. It's OK for JoJo to lie..
After all, he was re-elected thanks to all the reupugnicans in CON-netticut, not by Democrats !

Burn in HELL LiberSCUM !!
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 04:00 PM
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31. Amen!
Long past due indeed! Lieberman has already done enough to lose his golden ticket, inner sanctum pass from the Democratic party. Instead of kissing his ass in the hopes he will vote with us when the chips are down, the Dems should make him perform his way back to their good graces. If he's unwilling, move his office to a phone booth at the bus station.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:04 PM
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33. Disband the DLC.
And kick LIEberman to the curb.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:08 PM
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34. I really think he's a piece of scum
I didn't like him when he was the v.p. pick either. I could NOT understand why Gore would choose such a jackass. Maybe the dems should learn a lesson about DINOs from this. but I'm sure they won't...it's probably "off the table" to actually admit that some democrats are the DNC's worst enemies.

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:15 PM
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40. I could NOT understand why Gore would choose such a jackass.
The Jewish, pro-Israel vote. That was before it meant war with countries that may threaten Israel, but not the US.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:38 PM
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35. Kick (like I'd like to Lieberman in the groin) and Rec (that he be
immediately stripped of his any DEMOCRATIC posts he holds)

To call Lieberman scum is to insult scum.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:57 PM
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36. Goodbye Joe
You gotta go
Friggin dumbo

Camel's back meet The Straw.

Get him away from ANY position of responsibilty or authority, for he appears to have little or none of either.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:07 PM
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39. "Buyer's Remorse" can't begin to describe what many in CT must feel. n/t
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:55 PM
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46. Whatever...
They re-elected him, they (Ct) knew who they were voting for.

Buyer's remorse my a$$.


Birthplace of George W. Bush, and now home of the fighting liebermans... way to go Connecticut!
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:25 PM
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41. K+R
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:42 PM
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42. The Lieberman deal
It is so obvious that I would be shocked only to find proof to the contrary that lieberman is expecting a McCain cabinet posting. Except for blowing his Dem primaries arrogance and toadying to the GOP has paid off. He is finished as a Senator and he knows it and will be a really besieged hapless, powerless, incumbent next time around unless the GOP lets him be their official candidate- unlikely for several logical reasons.

This is all about Joe's career a la Texas John Connally. I am sure he has dreams about Vice this time or next, all as unlikely as being our standard bearer. This noxiousness is unfortunately wedded to the inherent flaws that caused him to be over respected and way over advanced by our party in the first place. That flaw is truly a bigger issue than Joe himself.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:38 PM
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67. Flaws
wedded to the inherent flaws that caused him to be over respected and way over advanced by our party in the first place.

****************

Joe Lieberman is a religious nut, as loony as any fundie Christian congress person.

No I am not a Jew Hater. I hold all religions in equal contempt (except maybe some Eastern ideas like Yin and Yang.... but they, religions, are all infected with bad memes)
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:49 PM
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68. His type of belief
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 10:50 PM by PATRICK
and actions on behalf of Israel are more characteristic of the general picture than inspired by the highest ethical traditions of the community faith. Exploitive fundamentalism is the soup du jour for political opportunists and they can have Lieberman for all the spiritual good that will do them.

Now however we are into the same cloud but different context as to what is a flaw. Keeping to the party only, as a "New" Democrat Lieberman exposes and pushes how bad things can get just as Bush drives the RW machine to its worst. Luckily our entire party cannot be identified with that disaster in the same way as a President Bush(or LBJ) can damage or mislead the entire party. I shudder to think of how a President Lieberman would have been propped and supported by the party to its lasting harm. That is why this party has a long way to go to have a better progressive, less disastrous ideology or identity.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:21 PM
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48. Lieberman has no right to question anyone's patriotism or
commitment to "American first".
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:23 PM
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49. Lieberman reminds me of the guy who borrows your mower and forgets to return it!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:54 PM
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52. More like your best friend
who screws your wife. I feel cheated on and betrayed. The bastard!!!!
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:28 PM
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50. For the sake of the party
for gods sake.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:55 PM
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53. ...and WE have to point this out to Dem leadership . . .. ???? ???? ????
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:00 PM
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56. K&R
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:04 PM
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58. I disagree
I think we are better off with Joementum in our corner.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:26 PM
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60. ITS CALLED DISLOYALTY, not independent thinking.....
he is acting under false pretenses. Makes you wonder just what McSame has on him or what Joe wants. If Reid had a set he would banish him to the nether regions of the Senate offices, perhaps the "Senate baths". I'd like nothing more to have him replaced with Chuck Hagel a Republican with a conscience.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:25 PM
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63. K&R
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:05 PM
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61. Eject this worm
Let him feed on the fruits of his own bitterness.

If he wants to suckle on the GOP teat, let him.

Let him know that he has made himself homeless.

There is NO going back.
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Gamey Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:22 PM
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62. Use his relationship with McCain against him.....
Imagine the horror on a Repo when he/she sees Joe the liberal Democrat whisper in McCains ear, correcting him. Take that, you Repos! A Democrat tells McCain what to say! They'll help us take him down.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:26 PM
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64. I think LIEberman and McCain go together
Kinda like these two...



I'm going to start calling him "Wormtongue" myself. Only problem is even if he did go away, McCain would still be a depressing dolt.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:51 PM
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65. Joe Lieberman disgusts me!
:evilgrin:
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Riktor Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:16 PM
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69. I met Liebermann once...
... when I was in high school, in one of the less-affluent regions of Fairfield county. I couldn't help thinking he was a bit of a nitwit.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:26 PM
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70. Agreed
I'll happily swap Lieberman for Hagel during this election.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:40 PM
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72. Joe left the party without the decency to make it official........We should.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 01:10 AM
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80. Error ...
... you have already recommended this thread - exactly 4,782 times. Give it a rest.

Never - BRILLIANT post!!!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 02:50 AM
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81. After this fall, they will kick his out.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 04:41 AM
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82. Lieberman is no democrat. He's a repub mole in the heart of the dem party.
K&R
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 05:26 AM
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83. 250 Recs does not lie.. lieberman should have been biffed from the party long ago...
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 05:39 AM
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84. K & R
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 06:56 AM
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85. He is a TRAITOR. nt
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 07:54 AM
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87. Get rid of that wanker!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:05 AM
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89. Joe Judas
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:06 AM
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90. K&R
Great post!
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:14 AM
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92. Count on Lieberman going officially Repub in 2009
This is all about him cozying up to the Repubs to get what he can. They'll make an official offer in 2009, when they lose Senate seats.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:48 AM
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95. as a JEW... could we PLEASE vote JOE out of the religon...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:57 AM
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96. You won't have to wait long. Come Jan (when the dems........
.........have increased their numbers in BOTH houses) he will be immediately stripped of ALL Dem seniority.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:31 AM
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98. Can't Stand Him


F-U-C-K H-I-M!!!!!
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jimnasium Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:04 AM
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99. K&R!
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, Joe.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:15 AM
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100. 300 recommendations n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:53 AM
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101. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, YEBBA.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:04 AM
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102. Goodbye Joe!!!!
K&R

:kick:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:18 AM
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103. Goodbye Joe! Don't come back!
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:19 AM
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104. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:34 AM
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105. I'll add mine.
Time for the Dems to reset his password. Access Denied!
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