White House October Surprise

[democrat2thecore]

How many agree that the timing of the Georgia invasion of South Ossetia, provoking the Russian response was not accidental timing?

How many agree that the United States signing the deal with Poland to host a missile interceptor base, knowing it would provoke Russia, was not accidental timing?

Russia is now threatening Poland with attack!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_missile_defense

In my opinion, pushing Russia's buttons as we head into the general election campaign (and right before the conventions) is the prelude to the October Surprise of '08. The White House - in all likelihood in concert with the McCain campaign - is trying (successfully) to put national security and war fears on center stage.

Coincidence - or deadly politics?

[KittyWampus]

1. is that why Bush was at the Olympics playing volleyball? Is that why McCain over-reacted

over Georgia and made matters worse?

[Tesibria]

3. *snap!* eom.

[democrat2thecore]

4. Asolutely - YES! - on all counts!! -nt

[MaryEllen9399]

2. deadly politics

first, they will do ANYTHING to get Mcloser elected and second this band of warmongers would love to use a nuke.

I personally think McLoser voters wouldn't care if we were nuked.

[KOBUK]

5. I wouldn't put anything past these ..

Rat Fink Bastards !

[newfie11]

6. I agree

I wondered what Georgia was promised. I hope he didn't choke on his tie :hide:

[democrat2thecore]

7. Quid Pro Quo - This could be a VERY dangerous game. -nt

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

8. No coincidence whatsoever

DicKKK's fingerprints are all over this shit like white on rice. They will do ANYTHING to prevent the books being opened on this criminal maladministration.

[styersc]

9. Pretty clever how Putin sped Missile defense to Poland....

...despite opposing it for years. And now Russia can enjoy global scorn and probable economic sanctions, just to keep Obama from the Whitehouse.

Do the Democratic Party a favor and when you have these stupid things to share with people, send them personal messages. That way all Democrats are not painted as idiots.

It's rapier reasoning like this that has half od the country believing Democrats can't handle security or foreign affairs.

[democrat2thecore]

14. You misread the post - yours makes no sense -nt

[democrat2thecore]

17. You're wrong

The Russian government (Putin, Medvedev, etc.) is reacting to a Thursday signing deal between the USA and Poland to place Missile Defense on Polish territory. The USA knew this would infuriate the Russians as they have opposed this for years (decades).

You're telling me this timing was coincidental?

You wrote:
Do the Democratic Party a favor and when you have these stupid things to share with people, send them personal messages. That way all Democrats are not painted as idiots....It's rapier reasoning like this that has half od the country believing Democrats can't handle security or foreign affairs.

Huh??? Your peace sign as an avatar would tell more people Democrats can't be trusted with national security than my post about something so......obvious!!

disclaimer: I love the peace sign, but I'm sure my point is noted.

[Franks Wild Years]

10. It now HAS to be Clark.

Really, it does. Obama is going to lose if he doesn't pick a tried and trusted foreign affairs, war seasoned character.

The timing is overwhelmingly suspicious and Russia's statement today is just beyond bizarre. But it will work if Obama doesn't act quickly.

[lutherj]

11. It's their MO. One reason for the timing on the Iraq War was to retain

the white house and congress in 2004.

[bbinacan]

12. This post makes it sound

as if Obama can't handle national security. I believe he can. Why such a defeatist attitude?

[democrat2thecore]

15. Not so - Even the Obama campaign knows that it CANNOT become a national security race -nt

[bbinacan]

26. So are you conceding the national security issue?

You actually think that Obama is not strong on this point?

[democrat2thecore]

28. Are you saying Obama's strong suit with the public is national security? -nt

[bbinacan]

29. No, but he had better bone up on it or

he's toast.

[Tutankhamun]

13. Restart cold war, have MSM parrot some meme.

"McCain is a tried and true cold-warrior" or whatever.

[MarjorieG]

16. Idefinitely believe it, and Russia preferring the Cold War mindset.

[democrat2thecore]

18. The entire world balance was thrown off with the demise of the USSR. Russia wants respect again

It's something that could be very, very dangerous. In other words, I agree with you.

[GoneOffShore]

19. Take off the tinfoil hats.

Sheesh!

[Bucky]

20. Wait, your thesis is that Cheney manipulated Russia into attacking for McCain's benefit?

Put down the spray paint can and the brown paper bag. You've been huffing too much.

[democrat2thecore]

24. No. You have it wrong. Georgia invaded South Ossetia prompting Russian response

Georgia has VERY close ties to the White House AND top advisers in the McCain campaign. Come on, folks, this doesn't take tinfoil hats. Great time to attack South Ossetia provoking what they know would be Russian response and all this was inevitable anyway.

The timing of our deal with Poland - also provoking a Russian response - is also a coincidence?

You're acting like this would be the first time the United States provoked an international crisis for domestic political purposes.

Read the history books!

[Bucky]

33. My friend, I don't just read the history books, I teach them. Your theory is bonkers.

You expect me to believe that Bush/Rice/Cheney talked Georgia into invading Ossetia (which they had possession of already, by the way) in the hopes of provoking a Russian invasion of Georgia... and that Georgia went along with that?! And everyone just perfectly knew exactly how Russia would react and banked all of this on the expectation that the resulting crisis would help McCain defeat Obama. Like the world conducts all of its business predicated on how it affects American elections.

Your thinking stretches credulity.

[democrat2thecore]

35. "My Friend," (Are you channeling McCain?) - Explain the Poland timing -nt

[Motown_Johnny]

21. Exactly why you need someone with both Econonic and Foreign Policy Credentials (for VP)

If you pick someone with only one they the surprise will come from the other front.

[David Zephyr]

22. Robert Scheer wrote about this possibility a few weeks ago, too.

It's something we should not dismiss.

[democrat2thecore]

32. Do you have a link handy? I would LOVE to read that! -nt

[mopinko]

23. look at it this way- they are so desperate

that they had to launch the october surprise in august.

but yes, it has spook stagecraft written all over it.

[democrat2thecore]

25. What begins in August - could blow up in October (especially Poland) -nt

[RememberWellstone]

27. I would'nt doubt it

This is the most corrupt, secret full of shit admin. there has ever been..I believe Bushit is in cahoots with Putin. Wink and a nod. I mean really. What the hell is the big deal?

[democrat2thecore]

30. I actually think they're in cahoots with Georgia

People keep forgetting - Georgia invaded South Ossetia. THAT is what prompted the Russian response.

[democrat2thecore]

31. Check Out This Story from NPR !!!

<snip>

Everywhere he went, McCain stressed his knowledge of Georgia. He's been there, he said — and he knows President Mikhail Saakashvili well. In fact, McCain told the crowd in Pennsylvania that he had just been on the phone with the Georgian leader.

<snip>

As McCain pounded his message home, questions started to pop up. McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, it turns out, was a lobbyist working for the nation of Georgia until this year. He's one reason McCain has had that contact with the Georgians, including Saakashvili, over the past several years. Scheunemann briefed reporters on the plight of Georgia on McCain's campaign plane. Reporters were even given maps showing red lines that represented Russian military operations.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93631243

COINCIDENCE??? You tell me the odds of the bolded portion above.

[Cleita]

34. You are not the only person who thinks this is it. n/t

[TexasObserver]

36. The GOP manufactured the Georgian conflict.

They'll manufacture something for October, too.