I think a shakeup is needed in Obama's camp

[thewiseguy]

I am sorry to say that thus far they have not run an aggressive and smart campaign. That is pretty much showing in all the polls.

After 8 years of Bush, and while the president's approval ratings are in the 20s, there are more Democrats crossing over to vote for the Republican candidate? :puke: That is simply inexcusable.

Just now the Obama camp decided to go negative against McCain? The Obama camp was just PLAYED by Rick Warren. They have been delaying a freaking VP announcement for what? Its getting almost funny to be honest.

Look at McCain. He was in a similar situation two months ago and they had a major shakeup.

I strongly believe that the Obama camp now needs also to do so. Obama needs to let either Plouffe or Axelrod go.

[geek tragedy]

1. This is on the candidate himself.

No one forced him to be Dukakis without the eyebrows.

[tekisui]

8. Do you live in a cave?

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. Of course we all know you've always been so supportive of the presumptive nominee....

stupid ass post, and even more stupid reply.

And for the record, considering the amount of time you spend here, and the considerable bandwidth you've used trashing the presumptive nominee, shouldn't you stop by and pay Skinner a visit?

[jefferson_dem]

20. Anything else?

[tekisui]

22. Where did I put that ignore button from the Primaries....

[jefferson_dem]

26. I dunno. And this one used to be cogent and sensible...

Ack.

[geek tragedy]

43. Do you agree with the campaign strategy of blowing their

lead before the conventions?

[tekisui]

51. Mclame has a very low ceiling. He has hit it.

That is the best he can or will ever do.

Obama can rise very quickly. Just watch.

[geek tragedy]

58. Proof for that assertion? n/t

[tekisui]

61. He's not breached it yet. He hasn't risen in the polls. Obama has

dipped.

[jefferson_dem]

53. No.

But I also wouldn't use Obama and Dukakis in the same sentence...other than this one.

[geek tragedy]

63. His response to the patriotism smear is the same as Dukakis's.

he just whines about it.

No. more. whining.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/20/wake_up_obama_camp/

For me, the last straw was yesterday -- in the VFW speech when supposedly Obama was gettting tough against McCain's character assassination strategy -- to watch him speak like a soporific college professor, repeating McCain's charges at length, flattering McCain as honorable and patriotic, and then, finally, sort of begging McCain to take it back! Josh Marshall is totally right to call Obama out on this

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/209350.php

Free Advice, Worth Every Penny
Don't ever demand someone stop attacking you. Doesn't work. Don't do it. Sounds weak. Sounds pathetic. And a lot else.

[JackORoses]

60. you certainly weren't a Zogby fan when he had Obama up in California

now he comes out with one poll showing McCain up and you are rending your flesh.

your bias is poisoning any rationality you may have once had.

[geek tragedy]

66. He's behind in the battleground states.

Behind in Ohio.

Behind in Virginia.

Behind in Colorado.

Behind in Florida.

Zogby is confirming what EVERY single other pollster has shown--that there has been movement towards McCain away from Obama over the past month, due to Obama's horrible campaign strategy.

[jefferson_dem]

73. He's down in VA and CO by < 1 point and OH by 1 point, on avg.

Not where I want it to be...but the sky is not falling...yet.

[thewiseguy]

74. Considering where he was two months ago, this is a disaster.

[jefferson_dem]

77. Really?

A month ago he was up by 2 in OH. Now he's down by 1.

A month ago he was up by 2 in VA. Now he's down by < 1.

A month ago he was up by 4 in CO. Now he's down by < 1.

If that's a disaster, I would hate to hear from you when there really is one.

[thewiseguy]

81. I said TWO months ago

[jefferson_dem]

84. Awwwww...

[thewiseguy]

86. Yea what? Care to post the numbers from two months ago or do I have to do it for you?

[jefferson_dem]

91. Yea nothing.

Anyone can go to the RCP averages. If it makes you feel better, please have at it.

[Qutzupalotl]

87. Winning is a disaster?

Crazy, man. :crazy:

If the election were held tomorrow, he'd still win.

And that's before his bounce when he announced Wes Clark as his running mate tomorrow.

[geek tragedy]

79. Not falling, but definitely descending at a noticeable pace.

Obama has a bunch of structural factors in his favor--but he needs to take advantage of them.

[jefferson_dem]

82. Agreed!

I appreciate your passion, geek tragedy!

Onward!

[Tarheel_Dem]

100. Passion, JD? Is that what we're calling it these days? I want the mods

to take notice of this poster, who is the one of the worst offenders, but is still allowed to post his negativity with impunity. And I might add, he has chosen not to support this board. He hasn't gotten over the fact that Obama's team beat one of the most well funded, and down and dirty political machines of the past century, and he'll beat McCain as well. Geek needs to deal with that, and perhaps do his posting on one of the many Hillary/McCain sites where Obama hate is all the rage.

[JackORoses]

88. you just talk trash without any data whatsoever.

there are plenty of polls showing him ahead in all those states

you, sir, are full of shit.

[azmouse]

68. I'm tired of the Obama haters.

[Phx_Dem]

85. Hillary lost, asshole.

If you don't support the Democratic nominee, why are you here? All of you posts are the same negative crap. We get it, you're bitter. Now go away.

[TheKentuckian]

102. The problem is with a brain dead electorate

The contrasts are night and day. The issues couldn't be clearer. The failures of the GOP policies are too stark.

The only problem is people are stupid and that includes any Democrat willing to cross the line. What could anyone possibly have in common with John McCain if they are a Democrat?

Why would any sane citizen vote for a SURGE on the stupid policies that have led us to our current pass?

No campaign is perfect but Obama is running as good a one as I can recall but it's very hard to overcome stupid, especially when the Corporate Media keeps the focus off the actual issues and covers for the opposition.
McCain has made gaffes that would have Obama at 5% in the polls.

I also blame Democrats (myself included) for worrying about shattering glass ceilings instead of winning elections. We should not have nominate Clinton or Obama at this crucial stage. We should have rolled out a boring middle of the road white guy and we'd be laughing at McCain's joke of a campaign.
MAYBE. Perhaps, we'd be struggling to some degree or another as it seems like about 40% of people will automatically vote Republican and up to 20% more that can be sold beach front property in Iowa, with the right pitch.

I'm disappointed that we're in for another scrap but I still think we're doing ok. The votes are there, they just have to turn out.

In fact, the polls seem off. We're doing well with white women and minorities and holding the line with white males. That math tells me we are ahead by a decent little margin. The uptick with blacks and Hispanics over the last cycle should actually mean that we've won. I'm either missing some important data or the polls are being manipulated. How can we have increases in white women (though small), blacks, and Hispanics (big time), while not losing anymore white males and be barely up, tied, or down?

I'm still thinking if the younglings actually make the polls that we can make this a little landslide. If we can knock McCain off the box as the default candidate and make him run a race then it'll be a blow out.

[Labors of Hercules]

2. Why don't you stop being stupid and go knock on some doors?

honestly.

[thewiseguy]

5. Honestly?

[JackORoses]

62. you can't even say 'honestly' honestly, can you?

[thewiseguy]

65. Did you say something?

:eyes:

[endthewar]

69. LOL!

:rofl:

[marylanddem]

7. Well said.

[Alexander]

10. Agreed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Because he wants somebody else to do the dirty work.

"Shaking up" is for other people.

[Cha]

3. Handwringers..

both of you.

[tekisui]

4. Jeezus. At least wait until after Labor Day to get all worked up.

Obama is running very hard hitting ads against Mcpow in local market swing states.

And, work harder locally.

[thewiseguy]

17. He is one step behind Jonn McCain at this point.

McCain comes out with the attack ads. Obama responds.

McCain says drill here and now. Obama says no then says maybe.

McCain tells Russia to fuck off. Obama sorta agrees.

Enough with this shit. Seriously. The Obama camp needs to take charge.

[JackORoses]

67. oh, how limited your perspective is. It's a good thing you have nothing to do with Obama's strategy

Enough with this shit. Seriously.

You are making a fool of yourself.

[thewiseguy]

70. Says the guy who wants Sebelius to be Obama's VP

:rofl:

Seriously man. Just go sit in a corner and dont say anything.

[JackORoses]

89. Tomorrow morning is going to be Sweeeeeeeet!!!

I think you'll piss your pants a little when that text comes.

toodles!

[thewiseguy]

95. Yea if the Obama camp is not actually going to wait until Friday to announce the news

:eyes:

[JackORoses]

96. Didn't you hear Obama's announcement at te event today?

[thewiseguy]

98. He did not say which morning. Or did you just ASSume things again?

[JackORoses]

104. just keep your phone handy, pal

[JackORoses]

6. your concern is noted

they have failed him so many times in the past...oh wait that's bullshit.
all they have done is run the most successful campaign in years.

burn them!!!

[geek tragedy]

13. Bush ran two campaigns better than Obama has.

Bill Clinton was ten times better.

[JackORoses]

27. You're living in the past.

and just to set the record straight,
the only way Bush runs things is into the ground.

[tekisui]

32. I see, you think chimpy is better than Obama?

Way to be on board!

[geek tragedy]

35. Better campaigner, which doesn't translate to better leader.

But, politically Bush and Rove know a lot more about winning general elections than do Obama and Axelrod.

They beat the shit out of McCain in his prime. Obama is barely a match for the old bastard.

[CTLawGuy]

getting 43% of the vote is ten times better?

I don't think so.

[BlooInBloo]

9. I think that more than anything, everyone is experiencing "excitement fatigue"....

Give it some time for people (candidate included) to "recharge", "reload", whatever, and the we'll swing back.

[Hope And Change]

11. You need to read this thewiseguy.Credit goes to jefferson_dem!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6670327

[scheming daemons]

14. Unbelievably stupid idea.

His campaign staff is top notch..... relax..... in 10 days, you're going to look back on this and laugh at yourself.

[Phx_Dem]

15. Nope. He has a great campaign.

It's Democratic supporters who get their panties in a twist every time someone sneezes who need the "shake-up." Bunch of pussy handwringers.

[tekisui]

16. Let Plouffe or Axelrod go????

Are you insane? These guys know what they are doing. We have some time before things get dire.

[thewiseguy]

21. This might look bad in the begining, but it will change things in the long run.

[tekisui]

29. That is the most ridiculous idea I've heard.

These guys are the A team. They took down the CLinton Machine from nowhere. They are going to destroy the Plane-Crash-Express. Have some confidence. Or do something pro-active.

Tearing Obama down as a poor candidate or his team as a poor campaign is false and counter-productive.

[thewiseguy]

33. Yes just because Plouffe is better than Mark Penn, that does not mean he is the A team

This is all about strategy and I believe Obama neeeds one right now.

[tekisui]

37. Just because you are unable to see it, does not mean they lack a strategy.

:wtf:

[thewiseguy]

40. Whats the strategy? Let the asshole McCain define you and your campaign?

[tekisui]

47. Pay attention.

You've see the local negative ads, right? You've seen Obama dominate the news cycles, right?

Watch what happens at and then after the Convention.

And pay very close attention to what happens 6 weeks before the election.

Their strategy is to win.

[thewiseguy]

55. Dominating the news cycles wont help Obama.

We are past that stage.

I think many people are making this mistake that by dominating the news cycle Obama gets more votes. Thats not true. Thats why I think it was stupid for Obama to drag out his VP pick announcement.

The campaign is not being smart.

[doc03]

99. I with you, from what I see McCain is ripping

Obama apart. McCain has taken the lead with the oil problem, he's been killing him on the old Democrats "tax and spend" charge, nearly everyone believes the surge has worked and the Russia-Georgia war has brought back the "Cold War".

The Republicans are experts at making simple arguments the average voter can easily understand:

Obama=high gas prices=need to drill
Obama=tax increases
Obama=Lose in Iraq
Obama=can't stand up to Russia.

All these excuses I see today are exactly like the ones about Kerry in 2004.

Obama had it easy in the Primaries he ran as the liberal anti-war candidate in the Democratic party and the MSM handled him with kid gloves. Hillary lost the primary because she voted for the IWR, ran more to the center and the MSM was brutal. If she was the nominee now she wouldn't have to be back-peddling on all the promises she made to win the Primaries. Obama needs a pit bull like James Carville running his campaign.

[Spazito]

Exactly, they took down the Clinton Machine!

There are "some" who would like nothing better than to see the team that did that go away. Delusional, that's gotta be the reason.

[JackORoses]

75. it worked so well for Hillary when she started ditching advisors...

it ain't gonna happen.

[thewiseguy]

76. Yes it actually did. You must not have been paying attention.

[JackORoses]

92. that's why she won?

she replaced shitheel Penn with shitheel Garin and still just couldn't pull it off

and it didn't matter anyways because she had already lost it by Wisconsin, she never gained any real ground after that point. just treading water...

don't give me the line about her 'big comeback' because PA, WV, KY, etc. always had leaned to her heavily

face it. your OP is flawed.

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[Tesibria]

24. LOL .. .purrfect!!!! thanx! eom

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[thewiseguy]

28. Fuck You

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[Shakespeare]

48. No....no....pretty much appropriate, given the circumstances. n/t

[tekisui]

54. They were being nice.

You deserve worse.

[Shakespeare]

30. Enjoy your (brief) stay, you political imbecile.

"Procain" And that nasty little graphic?

You can just fuck right off. :hi:

[islandmkl]

39. get the chisel....

low post headed for a hole, i'm thinking...

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[tekisui]

56. You are going somewhere. Pro-cain is not welcome here.

Read the rules, nevermind. Just go fuck yourself.

[Shakespeare]

57. Your faux naivete slip is showing.

As is your disingenuousness.

[terrya]

59. "sniff sniff". We hardly got to know you!

:-)

[flamingdem]

34. Puma Pod Person Alert! Give them a kitten and some PROZAC!

>prozac for you . <

and a kitten:

[tekisui]

42. HA HA HA. You aren't even trying. Enjoy your stay!

:hi:

[redstate_democrat]

44. Fucking Troll

Obama is gonna win. It hurts your feelings, right? Too bad.

[countingbluecars]

45. Is somebody bitter

about getting banned??

[foo_bar]

49. sure looks like it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=123271

[countingbluecars]

25. Plouffe and Axelrod

are great IMO. I really don't understand the panic going on here.

[roseBudd]

31. Any liberal who doesn't realize we don't have a chance against Drill Here Drill Now does not

get how stupid & selfish the majority of the electorate is.

Enron Loophole goes right over their heads.

[The empressof all]

36. So who do you recommend? Carville and Wolfson

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[GoesTo11]

38. We need more drama

August is just too dull.

Just sit tight. I'm still donating.

[elizm]

41. Good grief. Ridiculous post. nt

[Thrill]

52. YAWN. Stop your panic. The Conventions haven't even started and he;s still ahead

[Born_A_Truman]

BrentTaylor...nice to see your response!

[medicswife]

64. I think a shakeup is needed in AMERICA!!!!

And the only way that is going to happen is if we keep the debate focused on Bush, Cheney and McCain.

[endthewar]

71. Obama just raised 8 million in one day

And he's banking his money until McCain is on his general election stipend.

[Kdillard]

72. Hmm let's see

He should kick to the curb the same guys that had him winning a primary that was considered long shot against Hillary Clinton. The same guys that have him leading McCain in virtually every poll. This is after having the MSM and the McCain campaign waging one of the most vicious and underhanded campaigns I have ever seen on a daily basis. So of course you are right he should just dump the guys who have gotten him this far. Instead of useless advice how about we support the nominee and the campaign with their efforts.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

78. Where is the Democratic Party?

When McCain accused Obama of wanting to "legislate failure" in Iraq and being more interested in winning an election than winning the war, why didn't Sen. Jim Webb, as a veteran and the father of a combat soldier, stand up in the Senate and denounce McCain for trying to politicize the military.

When McCain starts spouting nonsense about drilling for more oil, where's Rep John Dingell, the Chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, railing against an energy policy that is unrealistic and downright phony.

When McCain tries to smear Obama's ethics, where's Ted Stickland, the Governor of Ohio and an ordained minister, to remind McCain that only those who are without sin should be casting the first stone?

Webb from Virgina - Battleground State
Dingell from Michigan - Battleground State
Strickland from Ohio - Battleground State

Silence.

Obama isn't going to win this thing on his own. No candidate can do that. I'm wondering why in the HELL the Democratic leadership is leaving him out there by himself.

[mvd]

80. I think a shakeup is needed in the corporate press

They've been so blatently McCain today that it's ridiculous. This is what Obama is up against. That's why attack ads of his own will be important.

[gblady]

83. slow and steady....

wins the race...

It going to be OK.

[quickesst]

90. I could have told you....

that the bubble around many was impenetrable. Rather amazing that some are thrilled at the poll numbers being even, like it's an accomplishment.(just heard on the news that he has lost his lead, which is apparently of little consequence here on DU, but probably significant to the average voter, but let's not fret about that) Maybe he will come back fighting, but one has to wonder how it got this way in the first place. One thing I will agree with, he needs to start throwing punches, and I am hoping that the prognosticators of future events are successful in their predictions that this will happen. I had such hopes for Gore and Kerry too. I'll feel better when McShame is flat on his back, knocked out cold. Til then, I think I'll hold off on my own vacation plans, and be absolutely sure that I can afford it. Thanks.
quickesst

[jefferson_dem]

93. Gawd, get a grip.

n/t

[Born_A_Truman]

94. Just email the campaign...

and tell them you are thewiseguy and how they need to change their campaign.

[Life Long Dem]

97. Your going to find out, Obama runs his own campaign, and in fact will tell you to shut-up

Since he is busy right now, I hope you take my hint. He told us in the primmary twice to stop attacking Clinton, and now maybe you know why we didn't.

But with that said, I agree with you, and would love to see Obama tear McSames character apart and show "WHY" we don't need the same in the WH, instead of saying we need "change", on attacking McSame.

[DCBob]

101. Not a chance! The Obama campaign is brilliant!

Your motives are suspect. Are you really an Obama supporter?

[thewiseguy]

103. As a new member, please dont ask me that question. Thank you.

If I was not an Obama supporter I would not be fucking angry and frustrated right now.

[DCBob]

105. New member or not, your suggestion is absurd.

I cannot imagine an Obama supporter would say such a thing after the brilliant campaign they have run so far. It is being heralded as the best run campaign in history. Why are you so quick to trash them?

[DCBob]

109. I do apologize for questioning your allegiance but..

I am very suspicious these days with the PUMA crap and operation chaos nonsense. Peace.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

106. Yes, I can really see how he should

change what he did to take down Hillary, since it was obviously a losing strategy. :sarcasm:

Sheesh, too many back seat drivers. I think he's got it covered, but your concern is noted.

[OmahaBlueDog]

107. McSame is righting his ship

I would also respectfully submit that Plouffe and Axelrod have not made a good transition from the fight against Hillary to the fight against McSame. Does that mean firing is in order? No -- it's just time to change gears.

The Mideast/Europe trip, then the vacation occurred at the precise moment when McSame began to stop sounding like a stuttering old guy and started to stay on solid, tested GOP talking points. The Obama campaign allowed McSame to grab the momentum and take control of the conversation.

Gas has come down in price 15% from the peak, the Iraq war appears to be winding down no matter who is elected, and now this dustup in Georgia threatens to see the cold war restart. If I had to guess what is happening in the polls, I'm suspecting that line-crossing Republicans and Republican- leaning independents are crossing back to their comfort zone. The urgent need for "Change" suddenly doesn't seem so dramatic.

Here are some examples of talking points I think are ripe:

#1 "If John McCain won't stand up to George W. Bush in defense of his family, how do you expect him to stand up for your family"

To refresh anyone memory (from http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/ )

<<Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. In push polling, a voter gets a call, ostensibly from a polling company, asking which candidate the voter supports. In this case, if the "pollster" determined that the person was a McCain supporter, he made statements designed to create doubt about the senator.

Thus, the "pollsters" asked McCain supporters if they would be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he had fathered an illegitimate child who was black. In the conservative, race-conscious South, that's not a minor charge. We had no idea who made the phone calls, who paid for them, or how many calls were made. Effective and anonymous: the perfect smear campaign.>>

John McCain's campaign unravelled after this slanderous attack engineered by supporters of George W. Bush. Did John McCain ever call Bush out on this attack on his wife and child? No, on the contrary, there's a widely circulated photo of Bush embracing McCain, and Karl Rove, the mastermins of the 200 Bush campaign, now works for McCain. So, I'guess when he meets Bin Laden at the gates of Hell, he'll give him a big hug, too?

#2 "John McCain may have experience, but he does not have the temperament to be president"

Don't take my word for it. The Arizona Republic (hardly a McCain detractor) said:

<<If McCain is truly a serious contender for the presidency, it is time the rest of the nation learned about the John McCain we know in Arizona. There is also reason to seriously question whether he has the temperament, and the political approach and skills, we want in the next president of the United States.>>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline183823_000.htm

Pete Domenici said:<<I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger>>

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1714082,00.html

McCain himself noted in a 2002 memoir (written after his 2000 presidential race) that, <<I have a temper, to state the obvious, which I have tried to control with varying degrees of success because it does not always serve my interest or the public's.>>

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpolitics/2008/04/ive_seen_john_mccains_temper.html

[book_worm]

108. I think a shakeup is needed on DU

[DCBob]

110. Yes!!

I think we all need some therapists!

[dailykoff]

111. Don't worry, the fireworks begin tomorrow...

get ready to enjoy the show!