I was never in favor of Hillary as the VP choice, but I have changed my mind

[NJmaverick]

I had two main reasons why I didn't want her as VP

1) She respresented more change (which Americans are not all that comfortable with) since she would be the first woman VP to go with the first non white President

2) She would rile up the Right Wing Nuts.

Now I have seen the Right Wing Nuts attack Obama with their usual lustful zeal. So I have seen that number 2 is going to be a non-issue.

That left we with reason number 1. Well I have noticed there are many die hard Hillary supporters that refuse to let go. I am now thinking that the few people that would be lost because of the drastic change an Obama/Clinton ticket would mean, would be more than offset by bringing the Hillary supporters back into the fold.

Now feel free to flame away. Just be warned that it will do you little good, as I have given this matter considerable thought and didn't arrive at this conclusion lightly.

[lumberjack_jeff]

1. Wow. n/t

[David Zephyr]

2. Let me be first to welcome you and your rationale is sound.

You are not alone. It's a building consensus and you will be vindicated.

It's going to be Hillary and it will be a great thing. :hi:

[SIMPLYB1980]

3. And another kick for nomad and Unity.

[Peacetrain]

4. Not a good choice for Obama.

[ProSense]

5. Here

a rebuttal.

[JackORoses]

6. so you truly thought another thread was necessary? or is this just part of the Google-bomb?

[scheming daemons]

7. They're sensing the possibility of HRC as VP slipping away, so this is their full-court press

But the decision's already been made.

[flamingdem]

10. What's a google bomb? nt

[JackORoses]

21. a google bomb is a flood of posts on blogs all over the web

in an attempt to bring said subject up to the top of Google's search page

[flamingdem]

27. It certainly looks like something organized, I find that sad ... as many of these

"DU members" have over a thousand posts. It's not believable that they don't see all the repeated threads, so it must be coordinated at least in mind set, and that mind set is destructive. (And fruitless).

[JackORoses]

34. and incredibly lame

[NJmaverick]

13. I have been a die hard Obama supporter

as such, I am not someone that can be accused of pushing for my candidate even in defeat. Nor am I someone that was easily persuaded to support an Obama/Clinton ticket. So I think my thoughts have some distinct merit. Still I guess if you want to be irrational about it, you could accuse this thread of being part of some tinfoil hat Google-Bomb plot.

[JackORoses]

22. What happened? You don't trust him anymore? He made his decision in Hawaii

This coordinated effort to try and force his hand is too late.

[NJmaverick]

25. Who is to say he hasn't picked Hillary?

Seems to me she is just as likely to be the choice as anyone else.

[flamingdem]

30. You are not reading or listening if you think that! nt

[NJmaverick]

32. yeah the media and the blogs are always right

no point in waiting for the actual announcement. The Obama camp made an effort to keep this search under wraps and it appears they have done a very good job of it.

[JackORoses]

36. do you really believe that?

when Bill and Hillary started showing out a few weeks back was when they got the news she wasn't a contender

[tedoll78]

8. Prepare for the onslaught.

You may have been around here for a while, but that won't stop people from attacking you as a disruptor or "bad Democrat" or PUMA or whatever other unimaginative/freeperesque/"get-in-line" thing they can come-up with.

[flamingdem]

9. Send in the Puppies, where is the Puppies person?? !! (sorry but these posts are repetitive) nt

[tokenlib]

11. I've warmed up to Hillary too...

A lot of the reasons people attacked Hillary can be equally attributed to Biden. Therefore, if I can't have my first tier Clark, Richardson, or Schweitzer---I would think Hillary a fine choice.

All the fear of Bill is overdone in my view--I think he can be kept occupied with his foundation work and Hillary would be an asset in getting health care through the congress.

The party would be unified and fired up as well---

[Erin Elizabeth]

12. Wait. Are people getting paid to do this?

Because as much as I think that's a horrific idea (Clinton as VP) and it's never gonna happen and never was going to happen, I'm all for making a few bucks. Where do I apply?

[NJmaverick]

15. I suggest you go back and google search my GDP posts

you will find I have been a die hard Obamam supporter. You will also find I did not want Hillary as the VP. So this would have to be another tinfoil hat theory. I have to admit I am a little frightened at the rash of irrational thoughts being developed on this board. Admittedly after Obmama clinched the nomination I didn't post here all that much (preferring the lounge) but damn.

[Erin Elizabeth]

28. Just look at all the numbers of Hillary for VP threads here.

You don't need to have a tinfoil hat to see them all and how they've cropped up just in the last couple of days.

[NJmaverick]

31. You can see the threads

but it takes one with a tinfoil hat to start seeing conspiracy theories.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Major e-mailing campaign came out today and yesterday

Published:Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Scripps Howard News Service

WASHINGTON — A massive e-mail and Internet campaign is under way aimed at derailing the nomination of Barack Obama and making Hillary Clinton the party’s standard bearer next week at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

“It’s downright nasty,” said Memphis, Tenn., superdelegate and city council member Myron Lowery, who has shared dozens of the messages he’s received with The (Memphis) Commercial Appeal newspaper.

“I think it’s divisive for the ‘Support Hillary’ campaign to continue at this time. She made the decision to fully support Mr. Obama,” said Lowery, who initially supported Clinton but later switched his allegiance to Obama. “I don’t know why they’re not taking their cue from Hillary and falling in line.”

Lowery said he does not believe Clinton herself is behind the effort, but that it’s “her supporters, acting on their own because they’re proud of what they have done for her.”
http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/aug/20/hillary-clinton-supporters-still-trying-to-derail/

[Erin Elizabeth]

19. But where do I sign up to get PAID?

Because seriously, this is definitely a coordinated effort we're seeing here.

:crazy:

God, I wish I could find someone in real life willing to bet $5000 that she's going to be the VP. I'd make so much damn money.

[Spazito]

26. LOL! Too true! n/t

[Spazito]

24. Oh my! Very interesting!

I am sure all the H threads on DU are mere coincidence, though, and have NOTHING to do with this! :rofl:

[Spazito]

14. OMG! You are the FIRST person to start a thread like this! Wow!

Oh....never mind....you are way behind, many have come before you, sorry.

:rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

17. I feel like Marie Osmond on Dancing with the Stars

[Mz Pip]

18. I want Obama to pick

whoever will do him the most good. If it's Hillary, fine by me.

I like Biden because he'd be a good attack dog. IF Hillary can pull that off, good for her.

I just want this over. I am getting very stressed out. McCain really creeps me out and I want Obama in the White House so bad I can taste it.

[GoesTo11]

20. Pros and cons

There's lots of hard feelings from the primary, but putting those aside, would she be the best choice?

Pro - She'll get a lot of press. She is good with a soundbyte. She knows her stuff. She can attack. She has her share of strong supporters and they don't completely overlap with Obama voters.

Cons - lots of Independents and Republicans people still hate her. She might be the issue instead of Obama or the economy etc. The videos of her saying McCain was more qualified than Obama. She and Bill would be loose cannons or at least uncontrollable and unpredictable during the election. Same after the election.

Do the pros outweigh the cons? Is there anyone else whose pros more outweigh their cons? The answer to that is above my pay grade.

[NJmaverick]

23. She would bring that one thing none of the others could

the splintered Dems who would otherwise not vote. Take that one out of the equation and I think she still could stack up well against the other options. I would consider Clark to be the only one with a better ratio.

[Cha]

29. Those weren't my reasons that I didn't want hillary on

our Obama ticket..and mine still stand.

She lies too easily and is all about her power hungry clinton machine(goodbye people).

I've had enough of bill clinton and his filthy drama churn out machine.

[Name removed]

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[1Hippiechick]

35. Who is winning the contest to see how many times HRC's name can be posted today? n/t

[FunkyLeprechaun]

37. WHY WHY

Must this be brought up.. it's a GIANT smokescreen and Obama will bring out a VP nominee we won't have expected!

If Obama says we won't be surprised, we'll have to be NOT surprised according to Obama's personality!

[Duncan]

38. She would drag Obama down.

They will play clips of her saying McCain would make a better POS over and over.

That alone is enough reason for her not to be VP.

[yourguide]

39. Obama needs the clintons like a fish needs a bicycle. n/t