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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:15 PM
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In close contests, poor Democratic morale was enough to swing the election
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 01:54 PM by FrenchieCat
That statement in my headline was written on Monday, Dec. 02, 1946
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,887240,00.html?iid=chix-sphere



A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true.
Although examples of such prophecies can be found in literature as far back as ancient Greece and ancient India, it is 20th-century sociologist Robert K. Merton who is credited with coining the expression "self-fulfilling prophecy" and formalizing its structure and consequences. In his book Social Theory and Social Structure, Merton gives as a feature of the self-fulfilling prophecy:

“ The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behaviour which makes the original false conception come 'true'. This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.”



In other words, a prophecy declared as truth when it is actually false may sufficiently influence people, either through fear or logical confusion, so that their reactions ultimately fulfill the once-false prophecy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy


So all of the Chicken Littles out there........just keep on complaining, and all of your dreams may come true.

Meanwhile:

Obama Launches 50-State Voter Registration Drive
By Garance Franke-Ruta
Sen. Barack Obama may not yet be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee, but Saturday morning his campaign launched in more than 100 other locations across the country a national voter registration drive intended to transform the electorate - or at least register more Democrats -- in advance of November's general election.

Dozens of men and women - black, white, Asian and Latino - turned out to Busboys & Poets, a cafe cum bookstore in Arlington's Shirlington Village, to pick up voter registration packets and then head out to find new voters amid the strip malls and supermarkets of Northern Virginia, politically significant region and Obama stronghold.

A lot could rest on their success: No president in modern times has won office without winning some Southern states. Virginia -- once a solidly conservative Southern state -- is now in political flux, thanks especially to rapid population changes in its north, and it has a history of having elected an African American governor. Many believe Obama needs a strong performance in the state to sustain his presidential hopes.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/10/obama_launches_50state_voter_r.html



Pay To Attention To Obama's Voter Registration Drive
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/pay_to_attention_to_obamas_vot.php


Landlines vs. Cell Phones: how polling could get it just wrong enough.
http://ademlament.blogspot.com/2007/12/landlines-vs-cell-phones-how-polling.html


Media influence
In psychology, communication theory and sociology, media influence or media effects refers to the theories about the ways the mass media affect how their audiences think and behave.
<snip>
The media has a strong social and cultural impact upon society. This is predicated upon its ability to reach a wide audience which often sends a strong and influential message. Marshall McLuhan uses the term “the medium is the message” as a means of explaining how the distribution of the message can often be more important than the message itself. <1> It is through the persuasiveness of media such as television, radio and print media that reach the target audience.
<snip>
Television broadcasting has a large amount of control in influencing the content that society watches and the times in which they are viewed. This is a distinguishing feature of traditional media and although they are by no means redundant, the development of the internet has challenged the traditional participation habits involved in media such as television. The internet has lifted some of the restrictions placed on society by allowing for diversification of political opinions, social and cultural differences and heightened level of consumer participation. There have been suggestions that allowing consumers to produce information through the internet will lead to a bombardment of too much information. It can however allow society a medium for expressing opinions and moving away from the political restrictions placed on society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_influence



Most say US on wrong track: AP-Ipsos poll
Wherever the nation should be headed, this isn't it.

The number of Americans who believe the country is moving in the wrong direction has risen sharply, to nearly eight in ten, amid soaring food and gas prices, falling home values and unending war. Just 17 percent say the country is going in the right direction, according to an AP-Ipsos poll.

The right-direction number is the lowest ever recorded by the survey, which began in 2003. When other surveys are taken into account, the general level of pessimism is the worst in almost 30 years.

And it's getting worse. The 17 percent positive reading was down from 24 percent just since April.

Those who said the country was on the wrong track totaled 76 percent of the people contacted in the survey, which was taken from June 12-16. That's up from 71 percent in April and 66 percent near the end of 2007.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/most-say-us-on-wrong-trac_n_108138.html



Likely Rise in Voter Turnout Bodes Well for Democrats
McCain's Enthusiasm Gap, Obama's Unity Gap


The outlook for the presidential election at mid-year is substantially different than at comparable points in time in recent campaigns. First, turnout is likely to be higher this fall - perhaps much higher than in previous elections - as voter interest continues at record levels. Second, as has been the case since the start of the campaign, Democrats enjoy a substantial engagement advantage over Republicans that may significantly alter the composition of the November electorate.
<snip>
Compared with previous election cycles, voter engagement is up among all demographic groups, but has increased more among voters under age 50 than among older voters. Uncharacteristically, the youngest voters - those under age 30 - are at least as knowledgeable, and in some cases more knowledgeable, about candidates' positions on Iraq and abortion than are older voters.

Strong and consistent interest and engagement suggests that voter turnout will likely be high in November, as it was during this year's primaries. The new survey finds another potential parallel between the general election and the primaries: Democratic turnout could match or perhaps exceed Republican participation in November, just as it did in most states during the primaries.
http://people-press.org/report/436/obama-mccain-july



IN THE END, WINNING THIS ELECTION WILL BE UP TO US.



This is what Barack Obama has contented all along. That we are who we have been waiting for. Sitting passively and publicly critiquing the campaign (which is all that you are doing when crying on these boards) is not going to win the election. Winning won't depend on how many of us "predicted" a win or a lose. Rewards will not be given to those who claimed beforehand that the campaign strategy was all wrong. You will get nothing for buckling under a tide of manipulative polling and media reports skewed to report an election narrative that they were praying you would buy.

IN THE END, WINNING THIS ELECTION will be based on our attitude and our enthusiasm; on whether we believe that we are going to win or not. The more we say we are not going to win, the more likely that this is what will happen.

SO since we are part of the activist base of the Democratic party, if we act and speak as if we are demoralized, then we become one more loose chink in the armor of this election. and so in fact, we become the problem simply by deciding that telling everyone what's wrong is the priority in this election.

Got a problem with the campaign? Write to them. http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/contact/

For those of you who believe you have a legitimate concern......certainly you have every right to proclaim publicly all you want what you think is wrong with the Obama campaign. But you must keep in mind, in doing so, you are actually helping the McCain campaign, not the Obama campaign.

The media is watching, and negative sentiments against the Obama campaign are being noted, and will be magnified, because that is what the media does. So, yes.....the media is looking for people exactly like you; the ones lacking fortitude and confidence, i.e., those who are scared to death based on past election results, that they are willing to spread their defeatist attitudes to weaken those of us with resolve, and worse still, to those who are still trying to decide who they will vote for. You are the ones that they have been waiting for, and you have a choice of giving them what they seek, or telling them to go to hell. In otherwords, you really do control your own future, and possibly the future of the rest of us, including our children.

Added note: As far as racism and those with concerns about it in this election; racism is an idea, a thought, that manifests itself via attitude, then to words and can lead to certain actions. The more we buy into this idea that the media has sold us that White people are more racists than not, the more we make the issue of racism more real than what it has to be. Please resist. Do not let melanin become the issue in this election.


"In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism, or do we participate in a politics of hope?

Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope: In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation, a belief in things not seen, a belief that there are better days ahead.

I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

I believe we can provide jobs for the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs, and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices and meet the challenges that face us.

America, tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do, if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November...."
- Barack Obama









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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:18 PM
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1. This is where we can win it-on the ground with the energy and involvement.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:25 PM
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19. Key words that defeatist would rather we not employ.
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 02:25 PM by FrenchieCat
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:18 PM
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2. YES WE CAN
Obama was counted as down and out at least five different times before and during the primaries.

He may be the underdog, but he always fights to the last.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:22 PM
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3. That is precisely why this is the motto of the campaign......
it is all about believing, and how that is what can make it happen.

Those who are losing faith are saying that "No We Won't"......which is what the McCain campaign and the status quo wants to hear.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:23 PM
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5. Yep, McCain is basically saying
"No, you can't change things. It's hopeless."

And the chicken littles are buying into it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:32 PM
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8. Pointing out what is wrong with our side is the safe and easy thing to do......
anybody can do it....and those that do, to a great extent, are aiding the enemy, IMO.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:23 PM
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4. Media has strong influence according to
"The media has a strong social and cultural impact upon society. This is predicated upon its ability to reach a wide audience which often sends a strong and influential message. Marshall McLuhan uses the term “the medium is the message” as a means of explaining how the distribution of the message can often be more important than the message itself. <1> It is through the persuasiveness of media such as television, radio and print media that reach the target audience.
<snip>
Television broadcasting has a large amount of control in influencing the content that society watches and the times in which they are viewed. This is a distinguishing feature of traditional media and although they are by no means redundant, the development of the internet has challenged the traditional participation habits involved in media such as television.


And TV and radio and print are skewed 99:1 toward McSame, getting this done "on the ground" will be nearly impossible.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:24 PM
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6. Then let's just pack it in.
The Democrats obviously will never see the presidency ever again.

Night folks!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:11 PM
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22. You can't go.
I need you here!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:30 PM
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7. It is not nearly impossible.......especially if the message is to
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 01:33 PM by FrenchieCat
explain to those who might not know exactly what the media has done to us in the past, and what it plans for us in the future.

Media is corporate for the most part; not liberal, not conservative.

Instead of explaining why Obama is blowing it, folks should start explaining the type of power the media has in our elective process these days. Perhaps if even those who don't understand are made to understand, then we have a fighting chance. Again, this may be the last election where the people have a say beyond the media noise. Ask yourself if you being right at this moment with your doomsday prediction is really going to help us win. Personally, I don't think so......

Hope is an concept, and this election is about that. If you have no hope, than you are defeating the message of our campaign.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:57 PM
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15. "start explaining the type of power the media has"
but with no media partner on our side, how do we "explain"? Wait for Fox to run an expose' on how they present lies and propaganda all day, and have for 15 years?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:03 PM
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17. Well YOU can start with word of mouth......
It is not about passively waiting for some magic.

I told my mailman about the media yesterday. I asked if he thought the media was liberal or conservative. He said they are sensationalists. I responded they are corporatists...and explain how 5 media companies owned most of our choices......how they are interested in things like tax cuts and deregulation and how that makes them the natural allies of the Republican party. I suggested that he not believe most of what he hears, and understand that whatever the media says, think opposite. I also reminded him of how the media led us into this war that has led to our economy being controlled by the Chinese, while our foreign policy is controlled by Saudi Arabia, oil companies and facism.

It appears that this less than 2 minute spill hit home with him....cause he agreed, although he told me that he was still trying to decide when he saw my Obama sign in my window and remarked on it a few weeks ago.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:33 PM
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9. Thanks Frenchie
For crying out loud - we aren't even to the convention yet and folks are already getting weak knees. Most voters aren't even paying attention to the process yet - and won't until September is in the books. Enough with the hand wringing its time to Man - and Woman - up. Screw your courage to the sticking place and DO THE FOOTWORK. Knock on doors, put up signs, send emails, make phone calls, donate money, and register voters. lets act like we belong in this race. We have much to offer our nation. Much more than the republicans old and failing policies and promises.

Its time to act like Democrats Again!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:36 PM
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10. Fired up and ready to go! That attitude is what will win......
1/2 of this election is based on perception and confidence. Those attempting to destroy that part of our campaign don't have to write a check to John McCain; because what they are doing is priceless in how it benefits McCain and takes away from Barack Obama and the rest of us!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:38 PM
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11. More of what Obama is doing right
For your collection, Frenchie :hi:


Barack Obama might be running on a post-partisan platform, but he is more focused on building the Democratic Party than any other candidate in recent history.

Dana Goldstein and Ezra Klein | August 18, 2008

An unassuming building at 430 South Capitol Street, in a forlorn corner between the Capitol and a highway overpass, is the home address of the Democratic Party. But though mail still gets delivered to the Washington, D.C., address, many of the Democratic National Committee's employees--the men and women who make up the party's central infrastructure--are no longer around to receive it. They are in Chicago, where Barack Obama moved them after he captured the Democratic Party's nomination.

It was a peculiar decision for Obama, who had built his campaign, and even his political identity, around an eloquently stated, post-partisan revulsion with the divisiveness of modern party politics. Following the strategy of "outsider" candidates before him, Obama set his headquarters outside the District in order to create distance, both physical and perceptual, between himself and the consultants, interest groups, party hacks, and congressional busybodies who populate the nation's capital.

The effort was so successful that some feared the Obama phenomenon--the millions of young people passionate about his campaign, the thousands who have lined roadsides just to wave at the Illinois senator's motorcade--had become a force unto itself, indifferent to the fortunes of the traditional Democratic Party, unbound by a commitment to progressive ideology, and wholly dependent on the character of Barack Obama. As blogger Matt Stoller writes on OpenLeft.com, "Power and money in the Democratic Party is being centralized around a key iconic figure. is consolidating power within the party."

This was a new critique of Obama: not that he was beyond parties but that he had personalized them. That rather than building the Democratic Party, he was building an Obama Party, with all the good and bad that that centralization entailed. Though some were nervous when Obama sent the moving trucks to South Capitol Street, further tightening his hold over the party apparatus, the relocation neatly fit the broader, and rather unexpected, reality of this campaign: For all the talk of post-partisan "unity," Barack Obama has been proving himself the most party-focused presidential candidate in recent history--possibly ever. Paradoxically, although Obama's success has been more dependent on personal charisma than any recent nominee's has, he's been leveraging that charisma to build a broader Democratic infrastructure less dependent on the presidential nominee.

-MUCH more


http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=its_his_party_08

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:45 PM
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12. I was reading that yesterday........
it is an excellent article.

And yes, Obama is doing much more than just running as President.

Thanks, WesDem! :pals:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:27 PM
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23. I found it quite uplifting to read
His world is so BIG.

For you, my dear friend :hug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:01 PM
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24. Thanks!
There are a lot of folks that need to start reading once they wipe the tears of fear from their eyes.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:48 PM
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13. This is a Grass Roots Campaign, that means it is ours to loose
and it is imperative to pound the pavement, register people, get training in all of this and generally rouse the troops.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:55 PM
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14. And Get Fired up and Ready to go....instead of stumbling around
looking looking for support from the non supportive media and their pollsters.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:57 PM
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16. Defeatism is deadly.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:04 PM
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18. That's an understatement!
in politics, perception and attitude is 1/2 of everything. Groundgame is the other 1/2.

The media and their pollster have been aiding McBush with the 1st half......but it is that 1/2 that we do not have to cede on if we don't want to.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:25 PM
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20. Exactly!
I know from experience, both politically, and personally that a positive attitude can overcome all sorts of obstacles. Just ask any high end athlete, or anyone who has, like myself, faced critical health problems. The power of positive thinking and all of that. It's true! Attitude is a deal maker... or breaker.

Of course the media tries to equate a positive attitude with arrogance, because they are shallow, ratings groveling, corporate dip shits.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:26 PM
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21. They are trying to take the steam out of Obama's sails.....
and those worrying and being concerned are aiding and abaiting them.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:40 PM
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26. Maybe I shouldn't say this but I will anyway...
It seems the loudest ones here trying to demoralize the troops are the ones who were not for Obama originally.
Just sayin'....

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:44 PM
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27. Noted.....
sad.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:35 PM
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25. Psych-Ops all over the place today.
Really weird!
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