McCain lead, unfortunately makes sense...

[judy]

I ask Obama supporters around me: why is Obama reversing his position on offshore drilling? Why is he claiming "we must win in Afghanistan"? Why did he support the unconstitutional FISA law? Why is he giving all these elongated vague answers to questions about religion that are his business and have no business in an election? Etc. and so on, the list is long...

They tell me: "he's doing this to get votes".

I think this is absurd. Obama won the nomination against Hillary because he seemed to be inspired, precise, connected. He was rallying everyone, as he was looking like a leader more than a politician. Once he became the official nominee, he seems to have changed his approach completely. Gone from a truly different kind of candidate, to a business as usual one, with unexplainable flip flops, ignorant sound bites ("we must win in Afghanistan" - what does winning mean? Who has ever "won" in Afghanistan?), Hillary's advisors, and now possibly Joe Biden, a veteran of the lowest approval Congress in history as VP. Pathetic.

Result: he's losing the new constituency that he had created, the youth vote, the women, the disenchanted, the disenfranchised, the new energy, the "yes we can" approach is no more than another sound bite.

He does not need to start attacking McCain. He needs to regain the vision and energy of his Philadelphia speech, which now seems like a faraway dream. He needs to focus on the new energy and be a defender of the Constitution and the people.

Wake up, Barack, don't listen to "how to get more votes" from people who don't want you to get more votes. Don't let the evangelicals and fascists define you. Define yourself. Be daring and be true,you will win. Otherwise, it's 4 more years of fascism, and a bleak future for the US. It's up to you.

Oh well...

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

2. He has always supported the war in Afghanistan.

That is nothing new.

[judy]

5. Agreed.

Why does he support this war?
What is the point of this war?
Sure beats me...

Note that I will of course vote for him.
But I am very worried that he does not present the compelling case that he did before he got the nomination. Please, prove me wrong :)

[salonghorn70]

7. Do You Remember 9/11?

[elkston]

8. You want the devils who plotted to kill 3K Americans to get a pass?

...and have safe havens launch even more attacks?

[judy]

9. First of all,

3,000 people were killed, not all Americans. So, this idea which has become accepted, is false.

2 - Who are the devils who plotted to kill 3,000 people? Honestly, at this point, we don't really know. There have been no open trials no real non-torture induced confessions that would really let us know who they are. The attacks were plotted in Hamburg, executed in the US. We didn't bomb Germany as far as I know. We just refused to let Bin Alshibh testify in order to convict one of the known perpetrators in Germany.

And if the official Bush-Cheney story is true, what is the point is bombing Afghanistan into the stone age, and NOT capture Bin Laden nor Ayman Al Zawahiri, supposedly the masterminds behind the attacks?
Could it be that the US military might is not capable of capturing a tall man with a beard and his sidekick? Get real...:)

Etc. I won't go on...Waging war in Afghanistan under the guise of "global war on terror" is a con and a fallacy for 2 reasons:
1 - If the US really wanted to catch the perpetrators of 9/11, they would have proceeded through infiltration, not military action
2 - If Afghanistan is supposedly the "main front of the war on terror", this is crazy, because nothing spurs terrorism on better than global war. War is the mother of terrorism, and terrorism is the war of those with no army. It is the wrong tactic no matter how you look at it.

I wish Obama opposed that war as well, as it doesn't seem to be any more related to 9/11 than Iraq.

[DevonRex]

10. Clearly you don't know anything about "infiltration" or about

the many reasons that Afghanistan is important to win.

[judy]

14. No, I don't...

It just seems more logical to me than a war.
I will appreciate very much, if someone can explain to me:
1 - Why would infiltration be inappropriate.
2 - What is the criterion for "winning" in Afghanistan: what are we looking to achieve there?
3 - Why is it so important.

I am not being sarcastic here. I am genuinely trying to understand the war in Afghanistan and how it can help against terrorism.

[ProSense]

3. What McCain

lead?

[mvd]

4. Obama needs to start attacking - I agree

I see too many signs of the race becoming like 2004. Obama's vacation was too long, and his VP should have experience IMO to counter a month of "not ready to lead" attacks.

We are not to 2004 hopelessness yet, and in Obama's case, people will get to know Obama more since he hasn't been in politics as long as Kerry.

[adoraz]

6. I agree that i liked him a lot more in the primaries, but.....

I don't think that he could continue with the "Yes We Can" approach. It was awesome at first, but really, after so many speeches it wasn't nearly as inspiring. He needed to change his tone or people would get really bored.

What I am hoping it that he changes his tone back to his original tone in the final few weeks. I think that would be a smart move.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Makes sense, eh?

So then how do you makes sense of all the other polls showing Obama up?

[Barack_America]

12. The Philadelphia speech was about moving away from attack-style politics...

So, which is it, do you want him to return to his Philadelphia message or start attacking McCain?

[totodeinhere]

13. Your opinion about our involvement in Afghanistan is outside the mainstream of...

Democratic thought on this issue. Every one of the major Dem presidential candidates except Kucinich supported our involvement there. All of the Dem congressional leadership also supports it. If you want Obama to lose, which I'm sure you don't, keep pushing this Afghanistan thing. If Obama reverses his position and calls for us to withdraw from Afghanistan, then he will surely lose the election.