For those planning to flameout after Obama picks his VP...

[Barack_America]

If that pick doesn't happen to be *your* top choice.

Please reconsider.

We lost another member today and it's getting frankly sad. There's too much at stake let personal preferences/grudges overwhelm commitment to party and country.

Hoping that we all maintain focus and positive attitudes over the next couple of days.

Best,
Kristi1696

[davidinalameda]

1. wishful thinking on your part

people are going to flame no matter who is selected

armchair quarterbacks

[Barack_America]

2. I'm talking about destructive suicide missions.

We had one today and it was a huge bummer.

[TwilightGardener]

4. Any hints as to who it was?

[ruggerson]

7. Hiassenrocks

I realize that's not much of a hint. :)

[TwilightGardener]

9. Hmm, I hope I can figure it out from that cryptic clue...

:-)

[grantcart]

11. It was the most straight run towards granite I have ever seen

[NYC_SKP]

15. I thought a straighter run at higher speed was...

...the self-immolation done by Perry Logan.

It was easily an F5.

[greguganus]

65. There will never be a faster run than Walt Starr. n/t

[paulk]

90. true that!

that was a classic...

[olkaz]

81. Agreed.

Cracks me up that the racist prick is now a regular at some pretty shady places.

[TwilightGardener]

18. I knew this person didn't like Obama from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6567283

I guess at some point you just snap and can't hide your hatred anymore behind subtle digs and "concern".

[ecstatic]

56. lol nt

[JeffR]

19. What a shame.

I'll get over it, though.

[ruggerson]

20. I suggest a martini, dirty, two olives

and don't stay up late searching and rereading his/her posts as it will just prolong the pain.

[RoyGBiv]

22. One olive is enough ...

I'm on a diet. :)

[JeffR]

23. I'll try to be brave

until this sub-thread is deleted.
:cry:

[CreekDog]

39. Hiassen never started a thread saying anything postive about a Democrat

something was fishy there.

[whirlygigspin]

3. this should be fun

:popcorn:

[babylonsister]

5. Who is lost? PM me? nt

[NYC_SKP]

12. The person was disgruntled, just couldn't get behind Obama....quite unfortunate.

Claimed to have supported Edwards.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6660257

:patriot:

[TwilightGardener]

17. oops delete wrong spot

[countmyvote4real]

21. That was quite a virtual flame out. I could almost smell the gasoline.

At the time I didn't post a piss, but I will shake my head and wonder how people that seem to be some of the best people can be so small minded.

mm mm mm

[dkf]

44. He wanted to revive Edwards as VP?

Wow. Just Wow.

[grantcart]

6. there are folks who have been waiting weeks for it - it is the only way to launch a proxy

attack on Obama.

Of course there will be others who have legitimate points but you can tell people that are sincere and those that will use the rules to attack Obama by proxy.

[Barack_America]

8. It just seems so hotheaded...

And you know those posters will soon miss this community and regret their decisions.

Pride is a very dangerous thing. :(

[Milo_Bloom]

10. As long as he doesn't pick a war voter.

Whether he picks my specific choice or not doesn't matter, but if he selects someone who voted for this war... I will not be voting for him in November.

[Barack_America]

That seems a bit harsh...

Even Biden?

I can understand not supporting Bayh, but Biden?

[Milo_Bloom]

16. I see no difference between Biden and Bayh.

Both war voters.. both corporate whores... both finger in the wind politicians.

[whirlygigspin]

25. fascinating captain,

then we need a man with no fingers who lives in a vacuum.

My logic is faultless.

beam me up now.

:web:

[Milo_Bloom]

26. How about someone who shows good judgment?

[CreekDog]

40. don't stress about what Milo says, he said I worked for the Clinton campaign

a while back. :eyes:

[JoFerret]

53. What do you mean by that? n/t

.

[CreekDog]

66. i mean he's wildly wrong sometimes

:hi:

[Milo_Bloom]

77. He/she is making it up as he/she goes along.

[Milo_Bloom]

73. Fib much?

[JoFerret]

51. The good judgment to be out of the way

when the decision is being made?

That can be good I suppose.

The good judgment to make the best of a golden opportunity? A lucky break. A shift in the wind?

Look -let's not rehash old nonsense. That was then ...this is now. We need Obama and WHOMEVER he picks to win in November.

Now THAT is good judgment.

I am in with Obama and a dead donkey.
And whoever it is I will be disappointed in some aspect and will no doubt comment on it. But Dems in November. Across the board. Let's get a little of this change on the road.

[Alter Ego]

62. I hear a dead skunk is in the race, with a dead possum trading well on Intrade recently.

How would you be with either of those? :evilgrin:

[JoFerret]

67. If they are dems

I am for them.
(I have an effective nose peg. I have used it in the voting booth for years )

[Milo_Bloom]

76. Better than Biden, Bayh or Clinton.

[Milo_Bloom]

74. We NEED a change.

If Obama picks a war voter, then he isn't serious about CHANGE in Washington and we are just on the same slippery slope we have been since 1980.

No thanks. I'll take the 0.

[JoFerret]

49. That is what politicians do

Put their fingers in the wind.

Those who don't run for office - or have the luxury of certain victory - only they can afford the purism you desire. All the rest make compromises. It's the way it is.

[Milo_Bloom]

75. So Obama is not offering change... good to know.

I guess I don't have to wait for the VP pick... just write him off now.

[JoFerret]

93. You seem to have done that already

I would say....take a few years and come back and rethink. Consider the broader range of issues. Meanwhile vote dem -just in case.

[Hippo_Tron]

30. McSame appreciates your vote

[Milo_Bloom]

34. I am not voting for him, he voted for the war.

[Hippo_Tron]

35. Your lack of voting for Obama is a vote for McSame

Actually voting for him would be two votes for him.

[Clark2008]

42. No... it's not.

If the Dems want to win, they need to listen to their base.

[JoFerret]

54. The base?

You mean that monolithic majority that agrees on everything and always is successful in electing candidates?
What is it they all believe again?

[Milo_Bloom]

59. THEY were against the war.

Wonder if we ever would have lost the Senate if people had paid attention to them.

[JoFerret]

64. Lost the senate?

when?

Which war?

And on what other issues are the base unified as a solid block?

[Milo_Bloom]

71. IWR in 2002.

[Clark2008]

87. No. I mean the people who work their asses off.

[JoFerret]

92. That's a good definition of base

...and the good thing about it -comes in all shapes, sizes, opinions, colors etc of the democratic electorate.

[Hippo_Tron]

89. Sorry, but...

I don't think that the base consists of people who are silly enough to vote third party because the guy who will be breaking ties in the Senate failed their litmus test.

[Milo_Bloom]

57. Sorry, I use real math.

Nothing voting for Obama is not voting for Obama

It doesn't add anything to McSame.

[mkultra]

60. since the country is pretty well divided down the middle

you can bet that sitting at home doesnt cancel out a republican vote. Its net effect is to give McCain a one vote advantage. That's why voting is good and not voting is bad. switching a vote from a dem ticket to McCain is like adding two votes.

[Milo_Bloom]

68. I'd be voting 3rd party.

[mkultra]

78. maybe that party will be one that provides free math classes.

[Milo_Bloom]

80. It will be one without a war voter on the ticket.

[mkultra]

83. frankly, i dont much like iwr voters myself

but Obama far outweighs biden(if its him) for me. i don't think its ever been perfect.

[Milo_Bloom]

85. For me it signals that Obama won't do what he has promised...

and will just keep marching us in the same direction we have been marching since 1980.

[mkultra]

91. sorry, im not getting that signal at all.

[JoFerret]

46. Oh dear

Life must be so hard for you. Not always getting your way.

[Milo_Bloom]

72. I am just looking out for the long term good of the country.

[JoFerret]

43. Very short sighted pov

There is VERY little to support the notion that Obama would not have voted for the way had he been in the senate at the time. Other good people did. Those with an eye on their future in politics did. Those with a finger in the wind did. He was lucky in that he did not have to take that particular test.

Whoever he picks will disappoint some. We are going to have to grow up a bit and get him elected whatever "mistake" (or inspired choice) he makes. It's not about you this election. Not just about you. You do not live in a universe of one.

[Milo_Bloom]

79. No good people did.

By voting for war and sending people off to die they relinquished their right to be called "good people".

There are some things you compromise on... things you can take back. Things that if they fail you can undo before they do too much damage.

WAR is not one of those things. This one has killed/wounded MILLIONS of people.

[WheelWalker]

13. The path is not difficult

for one who has no preferences.

[whirlygigspin]

24. how Zen of you

Preferences are irrelevant
to the one who has no path

[RoyGBiv]

14. Well, personally ...

If someone is gonna flame-out over a VP pick, they need a vacation ... a long one ... someplace else.

I don't really even know who the top guesses are, and I really don't care.

Nor should anyone else, unless he goes all psycho and asks someone like Gen. Stockdale to be his VP, but he won't do that.

People need to chill, but if they don't, they might really just need that break that's coming to them.

[musicblind]

27. I promise I will be passionate about electing Obama no matter who he chooses!

:)

[PM7nj]

28. I don't understand all the drama going on.

I can't get myself worked up about the VP. I just don't care much. Am I the only one?

[Hippo_Tron]

32. Nope I'm totally with you

My only dislike of the bunch is Evan Bayh but not enough to really care a whole lot. If Bayh is the choice then I will live with it. Kaine, Richardson, Sebelius, Biden, Clinton, and all of the others on the short list all bring positives to the ticket.

[PatSeg]

33. Perhaps a lot of drama for drama's sake?

People get worked up over just about anything these days.

[Barack_America]

48. Lol. I think you've stumbled upon DU's motto: Drama for drama's sake.

:thumbsup:

[PatSeg]

88. Yeah and being angry all the time

at everyone, about everything can just become a bad habit!

[vaberella]

29. We don't know who he's electing and people are already leaving?! Disgusting. n/t

[JackORoses]

31. It is really for the best. these people have been detracting just inside the rules for weeks

They do not support Obama, so they really have no business here.

[whirlygigspin]

36. it's all good

No idea what will happen, but if the choice is Evan Bayh
I can't think of another choice that would be more antagonistic to the Hillary supporters.
(very paternalistic, traditional)

just sayin'

good luck with that and the feminists

[JackORoses]

37. Bayh was a bigtime Clinton surrogate, but don't worry, it won't be him

[JoFerret]

55. "These people"

Are you one of "them"?

[Trajan]

38. Aw heck ... I barely knew ya ....

In fact: I have never seen ya ...

How can you miss what you never had ?

[Clark2008]

41. How about I flame out if his dis of Wes Clark as publicized by

Huffington Post turns out to be true?

I don't necessarily expect Clark to be the VP choice, but to disown him during the convention? That shows the greatest lack of character and judgment of any campaign I've ever seen.

[JoFerret]

58. I hope it's not true

A role for WC in the new admin would be good.
So what if he's not the very best politician. Sometimes telling the truth has to happen.

[shadowknows69]

45. Can't promise I won't run a full page Bwa ha ha ha ha thread

when it's not Clinton, but I'll try to contain myself.

[Alter Ego]

63. Careful not to toxx yourself on that...on the very slim off-chance

that it is her you don't want to have to become a dittohead on some stupid bet or something.

[sourmilk]

47. The suspense is KILLING me...

Whomever it is will certainly be in for some SERIOUS vetting over here...

...and I'm sure there will be a few people lining up for "the Bone Orchard," as my Grandpa used to call it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. he can't please everyone

[butterfly77]

52. People are full of it...

they have never said or tried to make an issue out of a vp until now some of these people are the republiCONS who are trying to sway people..

[Alter Ego]

61. We'll see eighteen gazillion Human Torches.

It'll be like the fuckin' Fourth of July!

[greguganus]

69. LOL, or millions of heads exploding. That would be messy. n/t

[Alter Ego]

70. Like in "Scanners".

[Median Democrat]

82. I Think Whoever Bitches The Most Is A Freeper

It the one line posts with no analysis that rip on a VP candidate without any explanation that are most apparent. Likewise, the ones that predict defeat or suddenly announce that they are not going to vote, or worse, will vote for McCain due to Obama's VP choice that reveal themselves as Freepers.

[Romulox]

84. If Obama picks Biden, then the whole bit about selecting an anti-war candidate is a LIE. nt

[loyalsister]

86. Sigh and move on

is the thing to do in my opinion.
I may be disappointed, but it's not my decision.
I think I may be more invested that I have ever been.
I guess I feel like I was burned by the last two choices.
Clearly Lieberman was an unfortunate choice, but I think understandable.
Only recently revealed what kind of mess the last might have gotten us into given his character flaws.

So, it is Obama's decision, and it appears that the decision making and vetting process is thorough.
I have my hopes and opinions and I may be disappointed or happy, just like a lot of people who have their thoughts about it.
No sense in assuming that I have been betrayed or taking on a defeatist attitude.
We have to win.
I will wear the Obama\whoever shirt proudly.