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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:49 AM
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Unlike the GOP - The Democratic Candidate Cannot Win It By Himself
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:54 AM by Median Democrat
Notice I am not referring specifically to Barack Obama. This applies to all Democratic Presidential candidates. The GOP presidential candidate can win it without grass roots support, because the GOP has:

1. Major corporate support, which explains McCain/GOP having $96 million on hand. This is because corporations and rich individuals can contribute $28,500 to the RNC, thus one company giving to the RNC, rather than to McCain's campaign, can out-contribute 100 of Obama's small donors.

2. Fox News acting as a propaganda arm providing millions in free in-kind contributions. A perfect example are the episodes of Hannity and Combs that consist of replaying McCain attack ads over and over again in their entirety without any commentary.

3. Big Media slanting coverage in favor of McCain under the cover of being accused of having a liberal bias. Of course, there is absolutely no coverage of whether Big Media's interest in the composition of the FCC has any affect on Big Media's coverage.

4. Evangelical Christian pastors directing their congregations to support right to life candidates.

5. A smear industry that publishes books smearing the Democratic presidential candidate on the eve of an election.

6. A voter disenfranchisement operation that in 2004 resulted in voter registration companies in Neveda and oregon to illegally discard the signed voter registration forms of thousands of Democrats while submitting the forms of those who registered as Republicans.

In other words, the GOP candidate does not need your help as a voter to win elections, because they pretty much have their election strategy down to a science where grass roots support is entirely unnecessary.

In contrast, Democratic presidential candidates do not have the luxury of this support system. A Democrat cannot simply hire Karl Rove, because Fox News and Big Media are not going to provide the hours of free coverage of the smears made against GOP candidates.

So, to win, the Democrats ultimately need the help of thousands of volunteers, which places the Democrats at a severe disadvantage. The GOP can simply rely on the GOP machine to cause the electorate to fear whoever is the Democrats presidential candidate without trying to justify the screwed up positions of the GOP.

Democrats need people to tell those they know about the issues, and to inform them, since the MSM simply repeats GOP talking points. Also, we need to encourage Democrats to verify that they are registered to vote given the past experiences in Oregon and Nevada.

John McCain can win it by himself because of the GOP machine. Barack Obama cannot.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:00 PM
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1. You contradict yourself. The RNC machine carried a failed GOP president back into office in 2004.
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 12:02 PM by blm
That same RNC machine stole it for Bush in 2000, too.

The Dem candidates in 2000, 2002 and 2004 had their elections stolen because there was no Dem machine working for them and for Dem voters.

GOps don't win by themselves. They lose during the campaign to superior Democrats and need their superior RNC machines to steal it for them as the weak Dem party infrastructures had been collapsed state by state at that time.

Dean and those lawmakers who supported him wrested control of the failed machine in 2005 and that will make a huge difference come votecasting time.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:06 PM
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2. I Don't See Where You Disagree, You Refer To The RNC Machine
And say it won it for the GOP candidate. Thanks for the confirmation of my point.

You then refer to the need for a DNC machine? Are you suggesting that Democrats can replicate the Republicans? Perhaps by hiring companies to register voters, and throwing away those who register as Republicans?

My point is that the Democrats, unlike the Republicans, NEED to heavily rely on grassroots support to overcome the advantage provided by the Republican corporate machine. Disagree with this premise?

The Republicans do not need to rely on such mobilization, because their goal is voter suppression through fear tactics, and voter disenfranchisement. This is a mirror image of what the Democrats need to accomplish.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:38 PM
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3. Yes - that part I agree with. You contrdict yourself when you claim Bush or Mccain win by themselves
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 01:40 PM by blm
and THAT line doesn't match the rest of your post.

Gore and Kerry and the Dem voters who put them in office in 2000 and 2004 were let down horribly by a Dem machine that just didn't exist because party infrastructure had been collapsed deliberately by prior stewardship of the party from 1993-2005.
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