Hillary is not planning a coup at the convention

[AllentownJake]

1) She has significant debt. No vendor in the country is going to take her credit.
2) She has no volunteer base. The volunteer base has been absorbed by Obama's campaign and Obama supporters would likely walk en masse if she did this. Re activating her volunteers would take alot of time and with no paid staff alot of effort
3) She has no Field Organizers. See the Obama Volunteers and imagine how people who work for Obama would do if there was a coup. Its taken Obama all summer to hire the people necessary for the GE.
4) You think PUMAs are bad can you imagine what the Obama supporter reaction would be if they believed he won only to have some sort of coup at the convention and there being no justification?
5) She doesn't have the delegates...which should actually be #1.


She would lose and lose miserably. No one walks into a defeat like this. Hillary is not foolish.

Everyone needs to chill about the name being put into nomination thing.

[TheDebbieDee]

1. No, no. It's standard operating procedures for the

Clinton-haters here at DU to over-react and spew hate like the world was coming to an end whenever something is done for Hillary or her benefit!

I'm amazed that they don't work themselves into having strokes or something!

[nichomachus]

46. I love the freeper tactic

Anyone who criticizes Hill/Bill is automatically a "hater." You have learned well, grasshopper. Karl will be so proud.

[TheDebbieDee]

54. Rubber and glue and all that!

And even I criticize the Clintons. But I call it hate when people embue the Clintons with superhuman attributes and capabilities. What do you call it?

[ampad]

62. Yea, they got down with the quickness

Don't forget that if you don't worship at her feet you hate all women.

[roguevalley]

76. yeah. you can't have a contrary opinion based on your own perceptions

around her on this woman. I don't believe anything about anyone anymore. I just know who I will be blaming if this blows up in our faces. I am SICK of the namby-pamby bullshit. I expected better from a woman if she ran and lost. Don't lecture me about brokered conventions. I was around for them but never at any of them were the stakes this high. Put me on ignore if you don't like MY OPINION. On this board, they are equal and we are all entitled to them. Or so they say.

[MyNameGoesHere]

108. Says the person who responded in a freepish way. n/t

[iconicgnom]

92. Thanks for starting it off!

[ccharles000]

95. I agree.

[SidneyCarton]

2. Bingo.

This is the nontroversy du jour.

Collect all of them for an entire month, turn them in to Skinner and win a free Granite Cookie!

[sybylla]

32. LOL!

What a lovely contest.

[Bake]

36. Oh c'mon. How many Hillary-haters have been TS'ed?

THey're all still here.

Bake

[SidneyCarton]

49. Maybe they forgot to hand in all the box tops?

:shrug:

(Don't look at me, I just post here)

[Andy823]

3. I agree with you.

What I worry about is her die hard followers, the PUMA bunch, who will try and rally others to do what they can to defeat Obama "after" the convention. These people are really the problem, and putting her name in nomination could cause more problems than one thinks. I think it's a bad idea, and think that it could cause some protesting at the convention that will make the party look bad when it gets played over and over on the MSM shows.

[polmaven]

43. PLEEEEASE

stop referring to PUMA as Hillary supporters! THEY ARE NOT! They are a bunch of (r)s, likely buoyed by Rush Limbaugh, whose sole purpose is to split the Democratic Party. So far, at least here on DU, they've been doing a pretty good job!

I, for one, will TRUST the instincts and decisions of Senator Obama and Howard Dean.....Putting her name in nomination, if it is done, will be done only to STOP problems! Please trust them to make the right decision, won't you?

[knixphan]

100. "played over and over on the MSM shows"

my concerns exactly.

[windbreeze]

114. Wait, Wait....

don't we have the right to the same coverage from the MSM as the Rep's get??? when * speaks or appears anywhere, they ciphon out the protestors...in fact, we never see any protestors at all where he's concerned so why should we have to see any at the Dem. Convention??...oh hang on...it's different,
isn't it??? wb

[ProSense]

4. Of course Hillary is not planning a coup

It would be political suicide.

Unfortunately, the way she ran her campaign created the situation Democrats are now faced with. Either way, it's a mess.

The only thing to hope for now is that the disrupters are kept at bay and the Convention goes off without a hitch.

With or without Hillary's name in nomination, they are never going to be satisfied.

[Metric System]

5. YES SHE IS! It's true because the usual suspects keep insisting so.

[Enrique]

6. this is going to disappoint a lot of folks

itching for a rumble.

[Egnever]

7. No she is not

And if she is she is pissing in the wind. The majority of the electorate is behind Obama at this point there is no way that will flip at the convention.

She wants a last moment in the Sun and Obama is inclined to give it to her. This Clinton hater is inclined to agree with him.

[StevieM]

8. Sorry, but Hillary is going to have a lot more moments in the sun. A lot of Democrats--including

Obama--want her on the campaign trail. She is a member of the Senate and Obama will need her vote for legislation. Her supporters haven't left her and she proved in the primaries that she has a lot of them. So expect to see a lot more of Hillary Clinton over the years.

Steve

[Egnever]

17. Long as she isnt representing me thats fine

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[jesus_of_suburbia]

38. I'm sure that will work out well for you!

Hillary will win her Senate seat easily.

[Enrique]

20. Bill too

Obama as president will need some counsel from Bill.

[Chloroplast]

83. Obama doesn't need Bill's counsel.

If Obama needs counsel of any sort he'll have a staff as well as a caring wife to bounce ideas off of; Bill can do whatever Bill does.

[knixphan]

101. seconded.

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[mamalone]

74. but what if we don't want her here either???

I have been so disgusted with her behavior over this primary season she certainly won't be getting my vote... and I honestly don't know one single other person in RL who supports her at this point. I think she'll really have to fight to retain that seat.

[StevieM]

85. Sorry, but that's just wishful thinking. The polls make it clear that you are in a clear minority

Hillary is not considered in jeapordy in NY and is widely expected to easily win re-election.

I have never been more proud of Hillary Clinton. Her "behavior," as you condescendingly put it, has been magnificent. Obama failed to get the delegates needed to claim entitlement to the nomination and needed SDs to put him over. She had every right to contest it all the way to the Convention. Her support for him at such an early stage was historic.

Steve

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[LostinVA]

105. You really need to stop with the "Billary" if you want to be taken seriously

That is nothing but a RW-invented meme.

[QC]

110. It's amazing how much freeper lingo has recently been imported into DU.

And, come to think of it, it all comes from the same few people.

Kinda makes one wonder, doesn't it?

[LostinVA]

112. Yeah, it does -- and yeah, it does

[mamalone]

96. Well, I'm not sure what polls you are referring to,

but virtually everyone I know up here has been appalled by her "behavior"... and I'm sorry if that term offends you, but honestly I think it's pretty apt. I live in Upstate NY, mainly white area, and I literally know of not one person who intends on voting for her in the next Senate contest. My parents have been very involved in the NY Dem party for decades and they are actively pursuing "other alternatives" to her even being on the ticket. I don't think there's much doubt she'll have an even harder time in the cities with a higher minority population.

You may be very proud of her and that is certainly your right, but it's the right of us NY'ers to determine if she'll be continuing to represent us in the Senate.

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[mamalone]

91. Don't worry.. I won't.

It seems she won't let me, even if I wanted to:(

[StevieM]

86. Where do we even begin to list all the incorrect things you said?

First of all, you don't know what will happen in the future. Maybe she will be president, maybe she won't. But it is silly to make an absolute declaration when you only get one vote.

Second, nobody is asking "forgiveness." Hillary has done nothing that requires forgiveness and hasn't even hinted that she sees herself as seeking redemption. The people who claim she does are basically haters whose harsh judgments of her were never based on logic or fairness.

Third, you don't speak for all African-Americans.

Fourth, it is inappropriate to refer to "Billary" like she is an amorphous creature with her husband--that's the kind of sexism that has tarnished this election.

Fifth, with no provocation at all, you called me, and all Hillary-supporters, racists. I'm not angry--to whatever extent I am still angry--because Barack "is a qualified black man who took the job she felt she was owed." That was never an issue.

Sixth, Hillary never said, or felt, that she was "owed" the presidency and the claim that she did is nothing more then a smear from a hater. It is your shame.

Seventh. you don't speak for the people of Harlem, which Hillary Clinton won BTW. And you can't "run someone out" of anywhere in this country.

Steve

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[LostinVA]

104. "Billary"??? oh gods

[polmaven]

44. Good for you!

It only makes sense to trust the political instincts of the nominee and the chairman of the party! They know what they are doing. Thank you for recognizing that!

[emilyg]

94. My Hillary is not going away. Get used to it.

[WeDidIt]

9. She doesn't want the '08 nomination

but by the same token, I do not beleive she wants Obama to win in '08 so she has a shot in '12.

[PresidentObama]

10. Let the paranoid, anti-Democratic posters have their way.

We all know Hillary isn't planning anything.

Other than helping Obama.

[TexasObserver]

11. No coup

The deal has been made, and Bill, Hillary and Chelsea will honor it, because if they don't, they're finished in the party. They may not work as hard as some might like after the convention, but they will all publicly swear commitment to Obama at the convention, and it will be strong endorsements.

[polmaven]

45. If you get word

after the convention, that Hillary or Bill have refused to do anything asked of them by the nominee, please let us know.

[Mme. Defarge]

12. Sage advice, mon ami ...

For the past several days I have been pretty riled up over the Clinton situation. But, since I have no influence or control over this, I believe the wiser course is to trust Obama. Plus, you have made a strong argument that reason will prevail.

After yesterday's tragedy I have had second thoughts about fanning flames.

[Skwmom]

13. I've started to wonder if she'll be SUPER supportive at the convention

b/c she knows she needs Obama supporters (in particular the black vote)in 2012 to even have a chance.

If it's not about forcing her way on the ticket, or taking the nomination, then I think she'll use it as a platform to woo the Obama voting block. Any sabotaging of Obama in the general election can't be done on camera. Then if Obama loses they'll argue "look how she supported him at the convention, we didn't sabotage him in the general election." So they might really put on a show of support at the convention so they can argue that they had nothing to do with Obama losing. Of course, plenty has already taken place which hurts his chances and I'm sure that will continue (loss by a thousand paper cuts).

Plus, if she acts like a real trooper, it can be used to enrage her supporters even further (as in look at all Hillary has done for Obama and he didn't even pick her for his VP or something along those lines).


Time will tell.

On edit: In addition, if something were to happen to Obama she would need his supporters to rally behind her as a replacement nominee.

The only thing I'm certain of is the Clintons are doing what is good for the Clintons.

[Marrah_G]

14. Jake I am going to take it one step further

Anyone that is freaking out about her name on the ballot must think that Obama is either:

A) Stupid
B) Easily Manipulated
C) Both

They have zero confidence in the leadership of the nominee and therefore I have to wonder why they are supporting him.

Obama was my last choice and I have more confidence in him then most of his more zealous supporters.

[AllentownJake]

16. The problem lies in that Hillary was a worthy opponent

McCain isn't. Which is also a problem because some Obama supporters are underestimating the crafty old guy.

[WeDidIt]

21. Obama had no choice

Only Hillary Clinton and 300 delegates can put her name in nomination. Obama has no say one way or the other.

Obama had to be supportive of her deciding she wanted her name placed in nomination. He had no other choice.

[Franks Wild Years]

22. I agree.

Look, I am of the belief that Hillary Clinton ran, and I say this as diplomatically as possible, a very disappointing campaign in many different ways.

However, Obama has agreed to her name being placed in nomination. The Clintons wouldn't be given such prominent roles at the convention if their actions were in question. Obama is an exceedingly savvy operator and don't anyone let it be in doubt that if Hillary or Bill do ANYTHING underhand to harm his chances while in Denver he can finish them politically. If Hillary were to sneakily attempt to win the nomination, he has the profile to destroy her aspirations once and for all. The Clintons may have behaved in a way unbefitting Democrats of their status in the Primaries, but they are not that stupid.

[saracat]

34. Actually it doesn't really matter if Obama" agrees" to have her name placed in nomination.

Hillary has to "agree" and she has to sign with 300 delegates which apparently she did. Her name would be placed in nominastion whether he wanted her to be or not. She is there as a candidate because she "earned" the position of being placed in nomination. That being said, a roll call vote is just a "tradition" . They are upholding traditon and paying tribute to her candidacy by doing so. This means nothing else. I am glad they are upholding the tradition because to not do so would make the Democrats look bad and as thought they were dissing the first credible female candidate.

And I don't think this is anything about anyone being "sneaky" or "savvy" on either side. It is simply trasdition and a wonderful one.

[Marrah_G]

52. But if he thought anything underhanded was going on they wouldn't be a big part of the convention

[saracat]

53. That is a good point. I just meant neither hillary or Obama were doing anything

but upholding a tradition by having the roll call.

[Marrah_G]

58. Exactly!

[WeDidIt]

60. Doesn't matter what Obama thinks. If she wants her name placed in nomination

and she has the 300 delegates, that's what happens. If, in fact, they KNOW she's going to be divisive, there's still nothing that can be done to stop it.

Those are the rules.

[juajen]

61. Bullshit!!

[JuniperLea]

64. That's the part I just don't get!

It's clearly Obama's show. There is no way it will be otherwise. He is sharp as a tack! Thinking Hillary is anywhere NEAR doing something like this is an insult to Obama.

I guess it's ok to insult Obama in the name of hating Hillary.

[LostinVA]

109. I said the same thing to Haruka last night -- and that the one pushing this are PUMAS

Because, they sure as hell don't believe in party unity. Jesus.

[Arkansas Granny]

15. Thanks for laying it out so clearly. Very well put.

:thumbsup:

[RBInMaine]

19. She would NEVER risk looking so foolish. RELAX EVERYONE.

[olkaz]

111. How did you so quickly forget the post-indiana primary speech?

When Hillary was still saying things like "onward to the White House" when it was CLEAR it was over.

I have zero faith in them.

[Born_A_Truman]

23. So how does this work?

Her speech is Tuesday night and her name goes into nomination Wednesday night. Does she NOT support Obama during her speech Tuesday night?

[AllentownJake]

24. They will have the roll call on Monday

At the opening of the convention.

[Marrah_G]

25. Of course she supports him Tuesday night

her name on the ballot is symbolic. People here are freaking over NOTHING.

[Born_A_Truman]

27. Not freaking--just asking a question.

[Marrah_G]

29. Sorry- I didn't mean you specifically

There are just a dozen or so folks having fits over this today.

[AlinPA]

42. It might help somehow with closure for her voters and may end up with more unity.

She will be speaking the night before and if nothing else, I expect she will tell everyone to get with the program. I'm thinking she and Obama have it planned to come off with a show of solidarity. Note, I was P.O'ed at her for the ads that painted Obama as being less than McCain, but I still have some hope that she doesn't want McCain's Supreme Court justices.

[The Magistrate]

26. Indeed, Sir: Well Said

The idea is preposterous, and taken seriously nowhere.

It persists only for the same reason horror movies are popular: some people enjoy titillating themselves with illusory fears.

[musicblind]

30. Well put

"It persists only for the same reason horror movies are popular: some people enjoy titillating themselves with illusory fears."

[Donald Ian Rankin]

78. "Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the voting booth"?

[Lord Helmet]

28. if she can't be the nominee she wants the party to lose

so she can run again in 2012

[1Hippiechick]

33. My thoughts exactly. Glad to hear someone else thinks this way.

And, like so many others, for what she has done to divide the party, I will never support her for anything ever again. She was my candidate of choice UNTIL Obama came on the scene, and then it was a no-brainer, for me. All this BS about putting her name on the ballot as a symbolic gesture is just that--BS. She had a RESPONSIBILITY to CONCEDE and get behind her supporters and tell them in no uncertain terms how important it is that the Dems take the WH, and that means throwing 100% support beind the party nominee Obama--which is the Party way. Did she do that? Hell, no. And what do we have here? Her "egging" them on, USING her supporters to say that this is what "they" want, blah, blah, blah. My husband never has liked the Clintons and now I know why. I hate that they are even appearing at the Convention. If these are friends, who needs enemies?

[mamalone]

75. thank you...

I probably wouldn't have used the words you did... but I pretty much agree with every single one.

[terrya]

31. Allow me to recommend this. Thank you for your post.

[Prophet 451]

35. It's not Hillary I worry about

I'm sure Hillary isn't planning anything but I do question the wisdom of this since firstly, it'll surely remind everyone of how bitter, close and vitriolic the primaries were and secondly, it gives the diehard Clinton "supporters" (i.e. the PUMA idiots who aren't so much pro-Hillary as really hate Obama) the opening to create chaos.

[YOY]

40. Fear, thy name is "Perry Logan"

Prophet...you can NOT be afraid of that, can you? It's like being afraid of the homeless guy on the corner screaming bible verses...actually I think they may very well be the same person.

[Prophet 451]

41. LOL! OK, you convinced me! n/t

[YOY]

37. Yup!

:thumbsup:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

39. OK, not a coup, but what about a putsch?

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[Beacool]

51. Billary????

Would it be OK to call Obama names?

Hillary does not need to grow up, some Obama supporters on the other hand......

She is only asking to have a roll call, something to which she is ENTITLED, just like every other candidate who came before her. Obama will still be the nominee.

What's the big problem??????

What worries some of you so much????

[LostinVA]

106. I've seen it in at least seven posts in this thread using that term

Niiiiiiiice.

In thought the Primaries were over?

[Beacool]

118. For some, a year from now they'll still be going on about it.

:eyes:

[JuniperLea]

66. This crap certainly is getting old! So you might consider knocking it off...

This is symbolic, FCOL!! Obama is in full agreement! You are insulting Obama by not going along with his plan!!

If you can lay the hate aside long enough to think about how this process actually works, you would see this is an attempt at UNITY!!! Clinton is going to throw her full support behind Obama... and that support has a lot more weight if she is named in the convention.

[AtomicKitten]

48. Pay no attention to the loser behind the curtain!

Forget that her campaign relied heavily on jackassery during the primary. Forget her invocation of racism and assassination. Lucy is putting the football down for Charlie Brown to kick and this time promises to behave. Riiiiiight.

[PresidentObama]

55. The jackassery during the primary was on all sides, and it's over.

Hillary is on board with Obama.

You're paranoid.

[AtomicKitten]

56. Obama ran a positive campaign -- Hillary used the "kitchen sink" strategy. Try the math again.

Hillary did the THREE EVENTS when she finally ran out of states and nothing for two months until ONE EVENT in Nevada last week. She has ONE EVENT in Florida scheduled for the entire month of August. She isn't breaking a sweat.

We won't even go into Bill's bullshit non-endorsement last week.

The Clintons are poison and cannot be trusted.

And you are enabling their pathology by refusing to see it, which is to say the least not an endearing quality but I'll refrain from qualifying that further.

[ampad]

63. So true

I hope she doesn't plan on running for the nomination again. She may think that people will forget her dirty campaign but the media will trudge all that shit up to refresh our memories.

[AtomicKitten]

72. After keeping her name on the MI ballot saying it "wouldn't count for anything,"

after entering into an agreement with all the presidential candidates and the DNC that Michigan and Florida would not count, she back-stabbed Obama by pretending to be the Protector of the Vote insisting those votes be counted as voted.

Nope, I'm going to have to go ahead and call bullshit on any pretense of innocence on her part. She has demonstrated she not only will do whatever it takes for the nomination, she is prepared to sacrifice any semblance of integrity she might have once had in the process.

[AZBlue]

98. She calls for unity with one face and whines to be in roll call with the other.

[AZBlue]

97. I don't think Americans will forget her games and lies for a long time.

I suspect she'll have a hard time keeping her Senate seat.

[LostinVA]

107. No she won't -- and she shouldn't lose it

[AZBlue]

115. She's given us no reason to keep her in any elected position.

Just saying that you don't want her to lose her seat isn't a reason.

[Raineyb]

116. I certainly will be looking for an alternative in 2012 for Senate n/t

Regards

[greguganus]

102. What jackassery did Obama pull during the primaries? n/t

[Whisp]

117. Shame on you, Hillary Clinton! Shame on you!

I guess you missed that.

when he was all bug eyed and pointing at a flyer.
not one of his finest moments.

but seriously, there is NEVER an answer for what you asked. we are supposed to believe that Obama conducted himself in the same shameful way Hillary did.

History is already being rewritten. You'd think she was some kind of goddess of fair play or something by the glowing posts about her here. I'll never trust him again - she showed me her true colors bright and clear during the primary. her Iraq war vote was enough for me to doubt her but the way she led her primary with the dirty shit she threw was despicable beyond words.

[David Zephyr]

50. Thanks for your OP. Everyone needs to chill indeed.

And the roll call will create unity, not hurt it.

[AZBlue]

57. "See the Obama Volunteers and imagine how people who work for Obama would do if there was a coup"

I do agree with that statement.

However, I don't trust Hillary Clinton one bit. I'm not saying she's planning a coup, I'm saying you can't believe a word she says and who know what the hell she'll do next.

[AtomicKitten]

59. She's practicing her surprised face in the mirror when her minions refuse to accept Obama as nominee

and raise a holy shitstorm on her behalf.

[JVS]

65. I agree with you. I don't trust her, and what's going on is camera-hogging at best...

and certainly doesn't help us move beyond the primaries. They had the unity event, she gets to speak at the convention, those should be more than enough.

[TahitiNut]

67. So, it's pointless ego-stroking of a drama queen? Got it.

:shrug: I guess the other losing candidates don't need their egos stroked. Figures.

[JuniperLea]

68. Hardly

It's a gesture, a symbolic gesture. Any attempt at a coup now would forever ruin Clinton's chances at any race she might consider. How else to get all the Clinton and Obama supporters together? Clearly something ceremonial and final is needed, and that's what this is.

[beac]

71. TahitiNut,

I LOVE you!



(please don't tell my husband ;) )

[rebel with a cause]

79. So do I!

I don't have a husband, but relax because we can agree it is just not in that way. ;)

[JVS]

82. If anyone needs some cheering up right now, it's John Edwards

[Phx_Dem]

69. I am not worried that she's planning a coup.

Frankly, she wouldn't be able to pull it off. If she couldn't win the nomination during the primaries, she's not going to be able to steal it at the convention. What irks me is the Clintons and all of their dramatic bullshit (the leaked memos, the video of Hillary, the interview with Bill, the PUMAs, her name in nomination) is diluting what is a hugely historic nomination for the Democrats, the African American community and the country. But that's okay, because Bill and Hillary's wounded pride is so much more important.

[Phred42]

73. Bullshit - Obama....watch your back

[Top Cat]

77. She better get he crew in check because this will not be tolerated

[Populista]

80. But..but.. Maureen Dowd said Clinton is evil

Let's believe Dowd, ok?

[AZBlue]

99. And for once I agree with Maureen

[Orsino]

81. Does grandstanding to get on the ticket count as a kind of coup?

Isn't this move designed, in part, to make the selection of any other running mate look cheap and risky?

[Motown_Johnny]

84. Agreed, she is setting herself up for 2012.

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[greguganus]

103. 2012 will not be hers. People will not forget 2008. n/t

[ikojo]

88. I put NOTHING past Hillary

She and Bill Clinton feel she is ENTITLED to the presidency. She's already said that only she and McCain were ready to be president on day one. A McCain administration would not upset her in the least.

I DO NOT trust Hillary AT ALL.

[snooper2]

113. Of course not..

She just wants 5 more minutes of fame...look at me! look at me! you love me don't you!

clap clap point point...and then it will be one step closer to being over...28 years of Bush and Clinton plutocracy in the White House...


been a LONG time coming

[Top Cat]

119. Don't count her out until the last vote hs been counted