Keith picks BIDEN in the Veep Stakes!

[WeDidIt]

Three man short list is Bayh, Biden, and Kaine.

Biden is ahead of Bayh because of the replacement scenario and because of foreign policy expertise.

[flvegan]

1. Biden would be a fine choice.

[WeDidIt]

2. Damn straight

He'd be a bulldog against McCain and whoever.

[flvegan]

9. He has all the tools, as well.

And 30 some odd years in the Senate. Oops, there goes your "experience" angle McCain...

[anonymous171]

3. I hope he's right. Biden would be a great choice. nt

[jillan]

4. Oh man - that was amazing!

Keith already has the talking points out there if the rw brings up the plagiarism from 88.

I've been saying it's too weird that Biden has been so quiet during this Russia/Georgia conflict.

[WheelWalker]

18. Joe's silence the past weeks has been deafening,

hasn't it? I've been quiet about it, but it's just HAD to mean something big. I can't wait. WHAT a ticket! Kick, Bump, and Rawk!

[jillan]

25. Not going to get too excited - - - yet.

oh man!

[WheelWalker]

28. I'm finding it hard to breathe. Who's buying

all the Biden stickies? Roll'n Thunder !

[ErinBerin84]

5. heh.

"And if they want to revisit the 80s, then we can also revisit Keating 5."

[jillan]

8. I loved how Keith had his talking points all ready to go.

[DevonRex]

17. He's good, isn't he? And how can they even think about the plagiarism

thing when McCain just plagiarized Wikipedia on Georgia?

[C_U_L8R]

6. Biden will take no prisoners

I look forward to the fight Biden will bring to the party.
We eat neocons like an afternoon snack.

[TheDonkey]

7. GO BIDEN!

I think that would be a great choice, and he'd definitely campaign his heart out for Obama.

[DevonRex]

10. I could get excited about that choice. Oh hell. Here I go again...

I nominate my dog Corky.

And that's my final word on the subject until somebody brings up Wes Clark or Bill Richardson. And then I'll say I love them, too.

Biden is smart, handsome, knowledgable. Great smile. Beautiful family. Sticks his foot in his mouth from time to time. But folks like him so he doesn't get dinged too badly for it.

Clark is smart, handsome, knowledgable. Don't know about his family. I don't think he's a loose canon at all. Folks respect him so he can get away with saying what he thinks.

Richardson is smart, handsome, knowledgable. No kids. Not the best debator but he certainly has experience and people respect him. Great smile. We owe him for endorsing Obama so quickly, at great political and personal risk.

I have to stick with Corky for now. He smells a bit and he's not fully house trained so I have to watch him like a hawk. But we love him so he gets away with a lot. He's good with cats. He's adopted, of mixed parentage - Cardigan Welsh Corgi and black lab, a Corgidor. Designer dogs might be thought of as being elitist. But he's not. You'd love to have a beer with him. He doesn't play fetch but will herd you wherever he wants you to go.

[golddigger]

11. Mr. Bankruptcy Bill Biden The man is bought and paid for by the credit card industry.

:puke:

[DevonRex]

12. I have nominated my dog, Corky. See post above for all his

wonderful qualifications. :)

[dave29]

29. He is one of the poorest members of the senate.

Do your homework

[Robbins]

13. Biden

I hope Keith Is right.He would be so much better than Bayh.Imagne Biden giving the acceptance speech
blasting Mccain and showing OBama's judgement with Foreign policy.Imagne him In the VP debate
against Lieberman or Romney(who I think the Republican VP will be eather of these 2)and Biden
would be good to campaign In PA,Michigan,and Ohio.

[gateley]

35. When Joe was running for Prez he said

"I can't wait to debate those Republicans on Family Values." Woo Hoo!

[CrispyQ]

14. That would be a great ticket!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[theboss]

15. That seems like a good choice

I like Joe.

[DevonRex]

16. Mostly it's wonderful that we have some folks that people can

get excited about.

I'm pretty happy these days just thinking about all the great choices we have. Really, we're going to have a winning ticket no matter what.

Biden, Clark, Richardson, and the list goes on.

[WheelWalker]

19. With a kick and a fist bump, all the way to the WH!

[mucifer]

20. Ok I love this website that tells us how all the people vote linky:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/joe_biden.htm

Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)

Rated 78% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)

Rated 32% by the US COC, indicating an anti-business voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 91% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes. (Dec 2003)

Rated 95% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003

Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)

Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record. (Dec 2003)

Rated 100% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)

Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

[jillan]

23. He gets a bad rap around here, but Biden has a great record.

One of my favorite things about Biden is his environmental record. He had the highest rating of all the candidates. The environment is a huge issue for me.

[gateley]

36. I think the majority of people have no clue about his real voting record, mucifer.

Thanks for the post! :hi:

[PatSeg]

42. Thanks for posting this

It really gives a better overview than all the rants I've seen lately.

[dansolo]

21. What foreign policy experience??

He voted for the Iraq invasion. I believe that he knew it was wrong, but he had his own presidential aspirations. If we are looking for an elder statesman with REAL foreign policy credentials, then I would much rather have Bob Graham. He voted against the IWR, and correctly indicated that Afghanistan would suffer as a result of an invasion of Iraq.

Biden is the same guy who claimed that George Washington was voted out of office. He actually said that to Khaddafi. I don't want someone rewriting our history when he is talking to a foreign leader.

And even if Biden was a good choice because of his foreign policy experience, wouldn't that make Obama look weak and inexperienced? Wouldn't that suggest that he is not really ready to lead, that he needs someone of Biden's stature to shore up a glaring weakness? Obama doesn't need Biden, especially with Biden's ties to the financial industry.

[jillan]

22. As Olbermann just said -

It doesn't matter who Obama picks, no one is perfect.

No one has a record that is going to please everyone.

[flamingdem]

24. Even low info voters have heard of Biden nt

[gateley]

37. Good point. Excellent point! nt

[Mass]

26. Among those three, I agree. But we do not really know who Obama is considering.

I can live with Biden, though.

[Sparkly]

27. Senator + Senator

I have nothing against Biden, but I hope this won't be another 2-senator ticket.

[WheelWalker]

30. With a little help from Cook Co., Illinois, that combo worked pretty well in 1960.

[gristy]

31. I would support that choice

[K8-EEE]

32. I'm good with that.

Too bad about the "clean, articulate" remark early on, that'll be back and then some. I guess that's a problem with picking anybody your candidate ran against in the primaries.

[tblue37]

33. I would much prefer Clark or Biden, NOT Bayh or Kaine. n/t

[saltpoint]

34. Despite a few DUers' disparaging remarks on Senator Biden,

I would be one happy camper if Obama selected him as the nation's next vice president.

[PatSeg]

41. And they really are just a FEW DUers

I am seeing more and more positive comments every day.

[saltpoint]

45. It's true. The number of nay-sayers is dwindling.

And we may be seeing a vice president or Sec of State here in Good Joe Biden.

[PatSeg]

54. They're just becoming a bit louder I'm afraid

but that too will fade.

[Milo_Bloom]

38. Couldn't vote for Obama with Biden on the ticket.

[nsd]

39. Why not?

[Milo_Bloom]

46. He voted for the war, the bankrupcy bill, etc.

He is a perfect example of what is wrong with the democratic party.

[gateley]

47. Then by all means, vote for the Republican part if the dems have it so wrong. nt

[Milo_Bloom]

48. I would vote 3rd party.

[gateley]

49. I understand the distinction you're making,

but I fear the end result may be the same.

I was thinking that no matter how much I was against the VP candidate, I'd have to vote for Obama because I honestly am afraid for this country if McCain wins. And I learned last time that I can't assume anything. So the Dems have my vote no matter what. Even if it's not FOR the particular ticket, it will be FOR a Democratic administration.

[Milo_Bloom]

50. I don't fear for the country that much from McCain.

I fear for the country if Obama is business as usual in Washington. We are currently an empire about to crumble and the only thing that can really save us is drastic change in the way things are done. If Obama will just be a kindler, gentler problem, it won't help and I would rather wait for the next time and try to get a real progressive and/or get progressives into congress to stop McCain from doing too much.

I am not of the mind that a little war is better than a lot of war, crappy health care for everyone is better than no health care for some and some corporate corruption is better than lots of corporate corruption.

From his lousy health care plan, I already fear Obama lacks the courage to address the REAL ISSUES and would rather offer simplisitic solutions to complex problems. However, I think he COULD be a step in the right direction if he is committed to certain parts of his message.

We had a great economic boom under Clinton, but when we are being complete honest with outselves, we can admit it wasn't Clinton who made it happen.. he just happened to be in office when any schlub could make money on the internet. He did manage to reduce spending enough to give a surpluss, but that was quickly sqandered, because he didn't leave us with a plan. Under Clinton we had media deregulation, DMCA, bombings and war, increased dependency on foreign oil, welfare "reform" and we wound up completely giving away our entire manufacturing business. Clinton was an okay manager, but he wasn't a great leader. He didn't change the direction from 12 years of GOP rule... he just slowed the pace a little bit. Much of what bush has done, can have its roots traced back to the Clinton administration.

The US NEEDS a change of directon, not a slowing of the pace. Obama's VP choice will be a clear signal to me of whether he really means to make a change or just hold the ball for someone else.

I would NEVER vote for McCain, but I wouldn't be that upset if he wound up in office over a Clinton like democratic candidate who lacks the courage to make a change, because then we get another shot in 4 years to do things right. If Obama gets in and doesn't change anything, it will be 8 years before we can actually begin to address the REAL issues at hand.

[gateley]

51. If Obama is "business as usual" in Washington, it won't be a result of who

he does or doesn't choose as VP. He's going to choose the person based on strategy - who he thinks will help him most in November. I wouldn't take his choice as proof of how he's going to run his administration. Ya gotta win first, before you can begin to do anything - I think that's what will be determining his pick.

And your statement:

I would NEVER vote for McCain, but I wouldn't be that upset if he wound up in office over a Clinton like democratic candidate who lacks the courage to make a change, because then we get another shot in 4 years to do things right.

Seriously and sincerely, I am terrified about what the condition of this country would be after 4 years of McCain at the helm. I'm not willing to risk it.

[Milo_Bloom]

53. His VP Pick signals his intentions.

He is putting this person a heartbeat away from the presidency, so he needs to pick the person thinking the worst.. this might be the person running the country.

I don't fear McCain as much as I fear the wrong Democratic leader.

[gateley]

55. In THEORY his VP pick signals his intentions.

In real-world politics, I think it signals who he thinks would be best to help him win in November.

And I'm 180 from you about fearing McCain less than the "wrong" Democratic leader.

I hope we'll both be able to vote Dem in November.

[Milo_Bloom]

56. And therein lies the problem.

The democrats are so focused on trying to figure out how to "win" that they allow bad law, bad decisions to be made so they don't lose. They vote for war out of fear of being painted as unpatriotic. They vote for a bankrupcy bill fearing they might not get funding or might be painted as *gasp* liberals. They won't get behind a not for profit health care system because they fear they may be labeled as communists or whatever stupidity would be thrown their way.

Picking a VP candidate with little regard for anything other than winning is EXACTLY the problem.


If ALL Obama wants to do is WIN, pick Chuck Hagel... I can 100% guarantee victory for Obama with Hagel on the ticket.

[gateley]

57. It may be EXACTLY the problem, but it's EXACTLY the reality.

We can't begin to make changes without getting into the WH. It's not complicated. It's the first step to being able to make those changes.

But I'm letting it drop now. We're of different viewpoints on this and neither of us is going to convert the other.

[Milo_Bloom]

58. Oh come on...

The reality is that you have to sell out your prinicples to win?


Why don't the republicans ever have to do this?


Has anyone ever stopped to think that MAYBE the secret to victory isn't selling yourself out, but instead motivating those who naturally support your position?

[inthebrain]

59. Another thing that I'm wondering about

The Demograghic of Hillary voters is a very stong pro-choice consituency.

How does choosing Biden, a guy who wants to eliminate public funding and partial birth abortion, lending an olive branch to those voters?

That is if the rift exists and the demographic is correct.

[Milo_Bloom]

62. Haven't you heard... VP doesn't matter?

Half the people here seem to think that who the VP candidate is doesn't influence ANY votes and thus doesn't matter... If that is true, why not choose Wes Clark, Russ Feingold, Robert Kennedy Jr. or someone who doesn't represent politics as usual in Washington?

The other half think it is ONLY about winning and want a VP candidate who can guarantee victory and could care less about their politics. That group should just get on the Hagel band-wagon now, since he is the only sure bet in the house.

[SoxFan]

60. Milo, you've said that about EVERY potenial veep

You bitched about Kaine, you bitched about Bayh, and now you're bitching about Biden.

Who do you suggest? Some member of the Berkley planning board? The schizophrenic guy who screamed at me outside the bakery in Somerville last weekend?

[jillan]

61. He just started a pro-Hagel for veep thread.

Does that answer your question?

[SoxFan]

63. It raises more questions than it answers

[Milo_Bloom]

66. No, I didn't. Did you try READING it???

[Milo_Bloom]

67. Not true...

#1) I haven't EVER bitched about Kaine.

Who do I suggest?

Wesley Clark

[SoxFan]

68. Clark is a poor campaigner

His television presence can veer between that Ranger-tabbed intensity to a creepy, glazed stare in the course of a single interview.

He flip-flopped on the IWR. On his first exploratory trip to NH in 2002, he told a group of Dems at a Durham dinner party that he would support the authorization of the use of force.

He has a tin ear politically, and tends to make statements that come off as flaky, even when that's not what he intends to do.

Now, I don't dislike Wes Clark. I've met him several times, and we have had great discussions on our mutual love of the Arkansas Razorbacks basketball team. He's smart and a true patriot. he would make a damn good Secretary of State, Secretary of Homeland Security, UN Ambassador, or National Security Advisor. I just feel that his political skills would be a liability.

[Milo_Bloom]

69. And Bayh or Biden are better?!?!?!

Bayh is about as boring as they come and Biden has foot in mouth problems

AND they voted for the war and are thus... USELESS

[Eurobabe]

40. Bidey-man!

Go JOE!!

[chyjo]

43. I know Joe Biden

I worked with Joe Biden, Joe Biden was a friend of mine. You, sir, are no Joe Biden!. Okay, I don't really know Joe Biden, but I do like him. He created the whole Rudy Guiliani = noun + verb + 9/11. I would definitely rather have him than Kaine, Webb, Clinton, Bayh, Richardson, or Edwards.

[GalleryGod]

72. I've know Joe since the Fall of 1973...the year after he was elected.

A GREAT guy..a tough,hard nosed, Dem.
It's HIS time.

[cynatnite]

44. I like Joe, but he just doesn't strike me as VP material n/t

[WheelWalker]

71. More presidential. Yes . I agree.

[olkaz]

52. I hate the words veep and veepstakes.

Hi I'm David Gregory with words that will bring the same feeling of a PUMA scratching a blackboard.

[Clark2008]

64. I love Keith - but he's not a campaign insider.

God, I hope not Biden. Talk about losing those couple of Southern and Southwestern states we might have had a chance in this year.

[Dinger]

65. Pssst, Keith, You're Not The One Doing The Choosing,

Deal with it.

[ErinBerin84]

70. he wasn't advocating or endorsing him for VP

he was just saying, that going off the model of Biden, Bayh, and Kaine being the shortlisters (which I don't even completely buy, but he was talking to the Wasington Post guy who is "claiming" those are the shortlisters) , deductive reasoning and elimination might suggest Biden. But he also said that they might not know what they are talking about and have no clue like the rest of us, so it wasn't like the posts here claiming that they "KNOW" who the VP is going to be.

[GalleryGod]

73. No Doubt that Joe would crush the the Thug Veep Nom in the Debate.

Crush him like a grape tomato!

[AngryAmish]

74. puke

MBNA would love this.