So Keith reports Bill C. will speak on Wednesday at the convention pre-VP nominee. It's Hillary.

[Faygo Kid]

If that's true, I throw in the towel, but it's OK. Would Bill introduce anyone else BUT Hillary? Can you see the insane floor cheers? Also, this will mean she doesn't put her name in nomination. The deal is likely cut.

Hey, if that's what it takes, and it's OK with Obama, it's OK by me. I hope and expect that Hillary will be a supportive VP.

I don't want McSame. And the Supreme Court? No way. She played hardball, and I think she has won that part of it. Now go get that tough on the Repukes, my Clinton supporter friends.

[book_worm]

1. I prefer to wait and see who Obama nominates rather than jump conclusions.

[Faygo Kid]

11. If Keith is right, it's not jumping to conclusions. It's the way of the world, and I'm OK with it.

Look, Obama hasn't gotten over 50 percent nationally. He has GOT to win this election. He loses 10 points in key states right here and now through GOP voter fraud. Hillary can help him win. We have got to win, or this country will end as we love it.

So I am not thrilled. If the Clintons ever dare turn on him while he is president, I will lead the pitchforks and torches. But I think this is now inevitable.

[TwilightGardener]

16. He doesn't need her. Most of her voters are supporting Obama, and the

remainder are probably obnoxious PUMA's and Operation Chaos participants, or abject racists who wouldn't vote for him anyway. The idea that he somehow NEEDS her is a myth.

[Faygo Kid]

24. Not the point of the post. If Bill has agreed to speak prior to the VP nominee Wednesday. . .

Do you think he would do so before anyone BUT Hillary? Can you envision the scene on the stage, as he turns the baton over to her? It would be nuts.

Also, there's that little deal of placing her name in nomination.

I don't think he needs her. But I think the deal is cut. I bet Obama holds out big time against any crap from the Clintons. They have to acknowledge that he will be president. Period.

By the way, goodbye, John McCain. Who?

[TwilightGardener]

25. You're reading too much into this. Bill was EXPECTED to speak at

the convention, just as in 2004. It was considered odd that he HADN'T been slated to speak yet. Well, now that's corrected. That's it.

[book_worm]

21. all he said is he's speaking, it doesn't mean she will be VP. I really don't care if she is or isn'

but until Obama says who it is everything else is just speculation.

[WeDidIt]

2. IT would be such high political theatrics

that the GOP convention, by comparison, would be a complete let down.

That alone says the likelihood is fairly high.

[PresidentObama]

3. I hope it's Hillary. I like Kerry, Biden, Kaine or Edwards. But Hillary would be awesome!

[writes3000]

4. I thought Hillary was going to speak on TUESDAY? n/t

[jefferson_dem]

5. I wouldn't object but are we sure a Wed speaking slot means Hillary is the VP?

:shrug:

[my3boyz]

6. Hillary would not be good to attack McCain. She seems to like him and not want to

say many bad things about him. In fact, she said worse things about Obama than she did McCain.

[JuniperLea]

13. She's saying nice things about Obama now...

Things change. All is fair in love, war, and politics.

[DevonRex]

7. I don't care who the VP is. I just want it over and done with. nt

[maddezmom]

8. I thought she was delivering the keynote on Tuesday

:shrug:

[Faygo Kid]

14. Nope. All this can be rearranged, remember.

It makes too much damned sense to reject it.

I bet Michelle is pissed, but if this is what it takes, go for it.

Crush the Bush stain.

[bigwillq]

22. Why would Michelle be pissed?

:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

27. RE-arranged? Only to fit your foolish theory.

[Faygo Kid]

37. OK, foolish. But we do speculate on such things at DU.

I don't claim clairvoyance. Only saw something interesting in this.

Many good comments shooting it down. Cool with me. Jes speculatin', and I think that's still OK here.

Right?

[JackORoses]

48. it makes as much sense as a hole in the head

[TwilightGardener]

9. I don't think so. I think we'll already know who the VP is before the convention, and

it's not Hillary--otherwise, they would have her speak Wed night, rather than Tues night. Bill got himself a primo time slot, I think that was the olive branch he was looking for.

[CakeGrrl]

18. Hopefully that's all it comes down to

...just too much bad mojo with what she's said about Obama. I just watched the YouTube McCain vid they released today that closes out with the famous "Senator McCain and I bring a lifetime of experience, and Senator Obama brings a speech" line.

:puke:

I really don't want to see her getting a bunch of airtime defending against that when Obama should be the focus of the campaign.

If they wrangled a VP spot for her, good luck to Obama.

Anyway, from what I read, she's supposed to speak Tuesday to commemmorate the anniversary of women's right to vote, accompanied by all the female senators...unless that was all set up as a fake-out. Oy.

[TwilightGardener]

23. I saw that too (the ad)--and then there's the matter of her using the same corrupt

bundler--that Sargeant guy--as McShithead and Rudy Giuliani. I am suspicious of a Republican Party leader helping Hillary raise money. For fuck's sake, isn't anyone else? McShithead has to return that money now, I wonder if Hillary does too?

[Phx_Dem]

35. Good on you. I didn't think of that.

Thank you God.

[JuniperLea]

10. I think she would be a great VP

What you're saying sounds logical to me, and the whole idea would force the party back together. That is unless the die-hard Obama folk who are still so heatedly hating on the Hillary don't go ballistic.

That's the problem with hating... you never know what, or who, life will deal you next.

[ikojo]

12. I hope it's not Hillary because then it's a losing ticket

The right wing is already having a field day defining Obama as a radical, they've had almost 20 YEARS defining Hillary as everything but a human. Obama is slowly but surely winning the hearts and minds of people in rural MO as judged by his appearance in Union MO last week. Hillary has HUGE negatives in MO, thanks to Rush Limbaugh.

I hope Obama is smarter than to choose Hillary.

The race should not be as close as it currently is and I am afraid that if Hillary is the VP nominee, she will overshadow Obama and the pugs will begin to run against her to a VERY easy victory.

Remember there are all of those videos out there of Hillary saying SHE and McCain were ready to lead but not Obama.

[Blondiegrrl]

42. THIS.

But I really doubt Hillary will be Obama's VP pick. (Thankfully.)

[BlooInBloo]

44. Yup.

[Cronus Protagonist]

62. You make it sound like Hillary is the anti-christ

She's a very damn fine politician and a force to be reckoned with. Obama and Hillary would indeed rock the world. Slam dunk.

[Mass]

15. He will speak that day. Nobody said that he will introduce the VP.

Many people will speak that night, not only the VP.

Just another run of VP speculation by the media. I have also heard he is speaking Wednesday because Hillary did not want him to speak before her. Just another media speculation.

Who knows.

[Faygo Kid]

20. Yeah, but you see the drama and logic, too.

Hey, anybody that knows me here knows I have not supported Hillary.

But this one starts to fall into place, and I think the posters here sense it, although they don't necessarily support it.

Which is cool. What till the PUMA heads blow. Almost makes it all worth it.

[highplainsdem]

17. God, I hope so. Best possible ticket -- closest we can get to a guaranteed Democratic win.

And that should be some speech from Bill. :) The convention ratings are going to be the best ever!

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

19. KO said the Bill will speak

He did not say that Hill would be the VP nominee, and AFAiK, she is scheduled to speak on Tuesday.

[Faygo Kid]

29. And that schedule can't change?

Of course he didn't say she would be nominee.

Negotiations, I am sure, continue.

They may fall through. But this to me is more than a subtle hint.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. HIllary will not speak twice at the convention.. she is booked for Tuesday

Obama will not speak twice at the convention....... Not gonna happen.

[Faygo Kid]

33. This is, my friend, a weak argument. Schedules can be changed.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. You could be right. But I don't see this as a strong argument.

Give the Tuesday slot to Kerry. Whatever. That won't be the difference.

[rhombus]

28. It's becoming obvious. Obama has picked Hillary

Obama said recently that his pick wouldn't be a surprise. Putting 2 and 2 together, hmmm :think:

[Phx_Dem]

30. That doesn't mean Hillary is the VP.

They didn't say Bill was introducing the VP. I don't believe Obama would allow himself to be railroaded and, essentially, blackmailed, by these two insufferable assholes.

Hillary does not fit his message of change. Having the Clintons in the White House AGAIN would not be change, but it would be a reason to poke myself in the eye with a fork.

[rzemanfl]

31. If Hillary was the VP and, god forbid, something were to happen

to Obama a lot of people in this country and most of the rest of the world would think that the secret government got its way.

[Spazito]

32. Don't think so....

Bill would not be introducing Hillary, the Convention is about nominating Obama. Having Bill speak on Wednesday puts any question about Hillary being the VP to rest, imo. Hillary speaks Tuesday, focusing on womens' issues, Bill speaks Wednesday, both Clintons have a place as SPEAKERS at the convention which should ease concerns from all sides.

[eshfemme]

71. I'm really hoping that you are right here. I have to admit

that I'm not very thrilled about the idea of Hillary as VP but that's mainly because I see an ego problem as Hillary is used to being in the spotlight while VP is more of a support position. I hope that the Clintons as speakers will ensure that they know that they aren't the only stars of the Democratic party any longer. Everything should be a focus on Obama, as it should be.

[renie408]

34. Or she isn't and this is the way to show that Dems are happily united. n/t

[Beacool]

36. It won't be Hillary.

These people think that they don't need Hillary and her supporters.

[Faygo Kid]

38. Disappointing, Beacool.

You of all people know I am not a Hillary supporter, but am taking shots here for this post (not many, actually, if you look at it).

If that's the best you can do - bitterness - perhaps you do indeed, as others have implied, belong elsewhere.

I thought this was a fascinating development. Would have welcomed more from you.

"These people" have had it from eight years of George W. Bush. Don't forget that.

[writes3000]

40. This is what's crazy. People are fighting over what they "know" - when they don't know shit.

The smartest people on this board are the ones who admit that they don't know who Obama will or won't pick. And the ones who admit that the strategy and the factors going into the decision are complex.

Obama will choose a VP he is convinced will help him win. That's all I am certain of.

I don't think people should be called foolish or idiots because they think the unexpected is possible.

[Beacool]

43. I'm sorry, the shot was not meant at you.

Nor did I mean to dump on your post. It was directed at the vitriol of so many here who have spent the last week opening post after post to trash both Clintons as if they were the enemy.

Hillary is more than qualified to be president, let alone vice president, but Obama will not choose her. I have said for months now that regardless of who ended getting the nomination, he or she should ask the other to be his/her VP. They were neck to neck and each won the support of half of the party. Their demographics complement each other and I truly believe that they would be an unbeatable team. Alas, it is not going to happen and more's the pity.

Thanks for the positive post.

:hi:

[Faygo Kid]

45. Whatever happens, let's remember Geoge W. Bush. Eight years.

I have been one of the fighters for Barack here, and you know that.

I actually think now that this makes sense. Neither you nor I can afford the Supreme Court that John McCain will appoint

[musicblind]

57. Aw, now there's the nice Beacool I remember and like!

:hug:

[Beacool]

64. Hi!!!!

:hi:

[JackORoses]

49. we don't need any stinking PUMAs, that's for sure

[musicblind]

56. As a Hillary supporter I don't think that is true. Obama has been showing a lot of respect towards

Hillary and her husband. I will be happy with whoever he picks as VP. I hope, however that it is either Hillary, Edwards, Biden, Kerry, or Gore. Those people would be dream VPs. Hillary would make a great VP and I think there is still a chance he might pick her. We will see.

[nsd]

39. We don't know the schedule.

Probably several people will speak on Wednesday night, not just Bill and the VP nominee. Wednesday is also the night the roll call or voice vote that officially nominates Obama is to take place. There's no indication from this report that Bill will be introducing the VP nominee or delivering his address immediately before the VP address. There might be other speakers between Bill and the VP nominee. In fact, the roll call/voice vote might separate Bill from the VP address.

I don't think this conclusion is supported by what we know.

[Mike Nelson]

41. Really, let Obama handle it

He will make the final decision

[Motown_Johnny]

46. Hillary is speaking on Tuesday, not the VP slot

[JackORoses]

47. no, it's not. Hillary is speaking on Tuesday

that's when the PUMA march is happening

The VP speaks on Wednesday after Bill.

[Faygo Kid]

50. Again, for the umpteenth time (as Mom would say). This could change.

Not locked in stone. Of course I am likely wrong.

[JackORoses]

52. yes, you are likely wrong. Obama will make a much better choice.

[Faygo Kid]

53. Thank you for your opinion. Once upon a time, I would kick your ass.

Unfortunately, I am old now.

I expect a nice gift for Christmas now. You have four months, at best.

[Motown_Johnny]

55. The announcement of her speaking schedule was an announcement that she isn't VP

that is why they did it

[bigwillq]

51. It can't be H. Clinton.

She is DLC, and if Obama chooses her his "change" platform would no longer be valid.

[stray cat]

54. Hillary is speaking the day before isn't she - I doubt she speaks twice

[zulchzulu]

58. Exactly...

She's speaking the night before. She will not be the VP. Bill wouldn't go through the vetting process...

Hopefully Bill doesn't go on like he did in 1988.

[Peacetrain]

61. What zulchzulu said!

When Bill C gets wound up, he can go on forever. If he is introducing the VEEP it could be pretty late .. I remember that stem winder he did in '88. I thought they were going to take him off with a hook. :rofl:

[MercutioATC]

59. Once again, we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...

...but I don't think she'll be the VP pick, so I'm not throwing in the towel just yet.

[Renew Deal]

60. If Hillary was going to prove she could stand on her own, Bill wouldn't introduce her.

I think it's more proof it's not her.

[nsd]

66. Good point. (nt)

[cbc5g]

70. Yep that's exactly why it's not her

There is a lot of griping about Bayh here as I've seen, but I'm almost 100% that it's Bayh thats VP. I would be very surprised if he wasn't.

[Renew Deal]

72. I kind of agree.

I think Bayh is in the lead. He's the most solid candidate. His wife's business dealings suck (health care industry), but they're not worse than McCain's.

[David Zephyr]

63. You can throw in the towel. It's Hillary and it's going to be a great thing.

See, I am not crazy after all. There will be more and more signals because it is becoming impossible to keep it under wraps.

[Beacool]

68. I wish I had your faith!!!

Good for you!!

:hi:

[Faygo Kid]

73. "See, I am not crazy after all." - I need more evidence than this.

As Katie Couric might comment, "Some people say. . . "

[TexasObserver]

65. No, it means Bill was mad because he had not been given a slot, and now he has been slotted.

It says nothing about the VP slot, except that it's likely not Hillary, because she gets her show on Tuesday night. Bill gets to be the guy who revs up the crowd for the VP.

It's all good. I think it works, but I don't think it means Hillary is VP.

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. "The deal is likely cut."

LOLOLOLOLOL

[Skwmom]

69. After the Ohio primary, I was told that it would be Clinton as VP and she would be in the

cat bird seat b/c they truly expected Obama to be another JFK/RFK.

[davidpdx]

74. Pointless speculation at this point

Remember when people were jumping to conclusions about Bayh being the VP because of Obama's long stop in Indiana?

People can continue to speculate, but there is a good chance it could still be someone who's not on the radar (or who is much lower then we think)

It's clear now that the Olympics have started nothing will happen for a couple of weeks. The news coverage is going to be minimal until it is over. My guess is he'll announce on the 25th.

[ecstatic]

75. If true, I just hope the jerks who made the loudest noise actually vote

because God knows the rethugs sure will, if a Clinton is on the ticket. :eyes:

[karynnj]

76. This is unlikely - as she would then speak on Tuesday and Wednesday - way to eclipse Obama

at his own convention.