The safest and best choice for VP probably would be Biden

[book_worm]

He's respected
He can be scrappy
He is from DE but was born in PA
He has tons of experience
He is a pretty good speaker
He is reliable on issues like choice
Finally, from what I can see he probably arouses the least opposition on DU!! :)

[navarth]

1. yeah but he'd be great as Secretary of State too...

that's the only thing that keeps me from wanting him as VP

[knixphan]

3. agreed - tough call.

[knixphan]

2. Smokin' Joe!

I like scrappy.

[Eurobabe]

4. I disagree with your last line

there is at least 2-4 Biden bashing threads in GodDurn Presidential each week. But the bashers are never going to like him anyhow, you know it's a hair plug/plagiarism/bankruptcy bill thing.

:eyes:

[malta blue]

6. sad but true

:hi:

[PatSeg]

22. I don't think there are necessarily

a lot of Biden Bashers here, but that they are persistently vocal. They pretty much have been saying the same old tired lines since Biden was in the presidential race.

[Eurobabe]

45. Precisely, which is why we've heard them all. n/t

[TexasObserver]

5. Make it so, Number One!!

[DevonRex]

7. My 4 favs are Clark, Biden, Schweitser (sp) and Richardson.

Not necessarily in that order.

[Muttocracy]

28. substitute Feingold for Richardson and that's my list :)

Richadson is in my 2nd tier though.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Biden and Obama do look pretty good together.

[Eurobabe]

46. AK, I love your siggie line

That is priceless.

Number 44 has Spoken.

[WhiteTara]

9. and don't forget that the credit card companies

have him in their wallet! He was part of that HORRIBLE bankruptcy bill

[Muttocracy]

27. Uh, can you prove that with some data? I'm looking at the data

and it's not looking like he's owned by them. I looked at opensecrets.org and fec.gov Where are you getting your data?

[gateley]

36. ...

I'll just wait here with you for the fact-filled response that is sure to come. :popcorn:

[Muttocracy]

40. Hope you finished that before it got cold! nt

[WhiteTara]

38. we can start here

http://brendancalling.com/2008/07/24/bankruptcy-reform-causes-mothers-suicide/

and then there is this
http://www.nndb.com/people/023/000027939/

But my research made me realize that it was Chris Dodd who was really Mr. CC
http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=412

[Muttocracy]

39. ok, maybe I'm just tired but I don't see donation figures for Biden in any of those?

[WhiteTara]

50. nope...sorry don't know how to access

that info. Do you? We could look together.

[Debi]

55. You could start here

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?ind=F03

or here

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/sectors.php?sector=F

Banks/financial institutions did not give $$ to Joe Biden. They did give more to Obama/Clinton... and all other Democratic candidates (except Kucinich/Vilsack/Gravel).

[WhiteTara]

59. thanks for both things!

[defendandprotect]

10. Elizabeth Holtzman, Barbara Boxer - let's look for a gender balanced ticket ---

[Muttocracy]

29. I love Boxer but I think the GOP would have a field day painting her as liberal extremist

which makes me sad.

Holtzman impressed me at Kucinich's hearing - I didn't know anything about her before. She could make a great attorney general too.

[defendandprotect]

41. Boxer has been after them quite a few times --- ENRON/CA --

If I recall correctly, she's also called for impeachment ---

and McCain is a right-wing extremist --- in fact -- neo-con nutsy . . .

warmonger -- 100 years in Iraq? -- Bomb Iran --- how does that sell to anyone?

And, they've just destroyed the nation ---

PLUS ... if I were Obama, the last thing I'd do is put anyone but a liberal/

progressive in the VP slot --- I'd pick the biggest liberal I could find!


PS: In kind of an ironic way, Madelaine Albright would be kind of an interesting

contract to McCain's rashness --- and, boy, is he rash!


As we talk of who we don't want . . . Jay Rockefeller . . . ??? hmmm...

[TwilightGardener]

11. Biden would be a good choice, IF he is on his best behavior.

I think yinz all know what I'm talking about.

[On the Road]

12. I Like Biden as a Choice

The VP candidate is not going to swing a lot of votes directly, but he can play a major role nevertheless. The perfect VP candidate should be able to attack with conviction in an entertaining way and have the cojones to stand by the criticism and make it stick. Biden can do that without turning into a nasty attack dog.

God knows Obama needs someone to do his dirty work for him right now. The rest of the party isn't helping much.

[samsingh]

13. biden didn't do much to oppose bush's criminal acts

he's only come out against bush when it became fashionable to do so.

[Muttocracy]

30. huh?

[applegrove]

14. I really hope Biden is chosen by Obama as VP. He's a great campaigner.

[Sugarcoated]

15. I like Biden

but Clark is my first choice - and they both have the foreign policy credentials. And although not so much FP, but what about Mark Warner?

[Motown_Johnny]

16. Kinda agree, but 2 senators? Long voting record to defend.

i'm still pulling for Richardson but I respect your choice

[Patchuli]

37. I like Joe

but I like Richardson too. I think a governor would be a better VP choice than another senator.

[TheDonkey]

17. opposition on DU should be the least of Obama's concern. He needs to pick someone who is loyal

who he likes, and is committed to seeing OBAMA in the WH. PERIOD.

[Radical Activist]

18. I don't think most people take him very seriously.

I don't understand his support here.

He will always be viewed as a plagiarizer and a verbal disaster waiting to happen.

His back and forth flip flopping on Iraq will hurt the ticket by diluting the message.

He comes off as too slick and east coast. No one with a silk front pocket handkerchief belongs on a national ticket.

His description of Iraq as a sectarian Civil War, and not a resistance against a foreign occupier is completely wrong.

He has no experience outside the Senate.

[PatSeg]

24. That was out of line

I've been a Biden supporter for years and I know the other Biden supporters here very well. They all made informed decisions when they chose to back him. I won't bother to counter any of your other statements, as we've been down this road many times already.

[gateley]

25. Who do YOU take seriously, Radical Activist?

I've only seen you bash Biden, but I'm assuming you have someone in mind that would be perfect for the position. :shrug: Really -- I'm curious.

[Radical Activist]

32. There are many fine possibilities.

I'd like to see someone from the Midwest who can carry a state and help in other Midwestern states. McCaskill, Strickland, Vilsack, Sebelius would all be good pics that would bring more votes to the table than Biden.

Or someone with a military background who has never held office would be OK too.

[gateley]

33. Thanks. nt

[Think82]

35. The nominee is from a midwestern state...

... just sayin'... do we NEED a midwestern VP as well? I also don't think the state thing works. At best it might give you a point edge or so where it wouldn't otherwise.

[Radical Activist]

51. I think of Clinton/Gore.

Not only did Gore carry Tennessee, but it helped them carry a couple of other Southern states as a Southern ticket. The Midwest is a battleground. Obama does well in the Midwest and a Midwestern ticket could solidify support in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio, Missouri etc.

[KT2000]

19. Another reason

Obama comes across as erudite and Biden comes across as street tough - direct in you face approach. They would compliment each other nicely.
Hell - even my Goldwater supporter now Obama supporter sister wants Biden for VP because of his foreign policy expertise.

[Debi]

20. He'd have my vote!!

I mean Obama already had my vote but I'd do it even more enthusiastically if Biden were on the ticket :bounce:

[saltpoint]

21. I like Biden a lot.

If tomorrow morning Obama holds a press conference to announce he wants Joe Biden, I'm a happy camper.

I'm still unsure what the Obama team is up to exactly, but I kind of love watching them maneuver.

You know how it's really great to go early to a ballgame and watch batting practice? It's like that.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

23. I think he's the best choice of the frontrunners.

Experience + foreign policy creds.

[gateley]

26. I agree --

I'd personally (like he cares :eyes:) rather seem him as SOS, but I think he could do a lot for the ticket - bring some votes our way.

[Radical Activist]

31. What votes does he bring besides DE?

I don't see what his national constituency is.

[gateley]

34. I'm not sure they put all that much weight in the "bringing votes" from a state

thing, anymore. (From what I've read, anyway.) But in answer to that question, he'd probably bring PA, too.

I think someone like Biden would get the attention of many independents or on-the-fence Republicans, and appeal to them. He's got the FP chops, the personality (it's important!) and the experience to round out the ticket.

My opinion only, of course, but it seems to be shared by many on this thread. So some of us DO take him seriously.

[goodgd_yall]

43. His personality

He's very appealing to certain folks who might think Obama is too intellectual (sigh). He's scrappy and a lot of people like that.

[Radical Activist]

52. He's too slick.

I don't think he comes off as authentic to many people. Every time I check a Biden supporters profile I'm never surprised to see that they're from the northeast or west coast. We need someone with a personality that appeals to states beyond our base.

[Debi]

53. Here, check my profile

I'm from the mid-west and I'm a Biden supporter. :hi:

[Radical Activist]

56. First time! Other caucus goers didn't agree with you. n/t

[Debi]

57. What does the outcome of the caucuses have to do with supporters of Biden on DU?

The mid-west is not just Iowa (although there are other Iowa DUers who support Biden).

Your point was that Biden only had support from northeast - obviously that isn't the case.

[PresidentObama]

42. Biden is tough as nails, and smart as a whip.

[Zhade]

44. In THIS economy, after he chose to screw people over with his bankruptcy bill vote?

NT!

[inthebrain]

58. Here here!!!!

And the fact that he doesn't understand what a DNX is and why the procedure is performed.

HELL NO!!!!

[Occam Bandage]

47. So long as they stick a cork in his mouth, sure.

[Debi]

54. Yep, that 'A Noun, A Verb and 9-11' comment was WAY out of line n/t

[Orsino]

48. Not with banks failing and heavy job losses.

Bankruptcy Biden has no business anywhere near economic policy decisions.

[Virginia Dare]

49. He's a pretty good speaker, but his mouth gets him in trouble at times..

hopefully he would keep that in check. I'd have no problem with it though.