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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:09 AM
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How does Obama's healthcare program deal with illegal immigrants? People claim they will get HC free
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 04:10 AM by Levgreee

I do not think that is the case and haven't found that on his website thus far. Does anyone know the details?
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:26 AM
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1. Try getting *anything* without a social security number and see how far you get...

No candidate's plan for anything gets into that level of detail, so I doubt there's much debunking to be done. The argument is specious at first glance. How is someone without a social security number going to make a claim for anything?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:33 AM
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10. emergency room visits
You can't require (deny treatment) a social security number in an emergency need for treatment.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:09 PM
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11. Right. That's the way it already works...

So that would be no change under Obama's plan.

On the other hand, the medical care he's talking about adding to the current system is not for urgent care. Every system in existence today requires a social security number for non-urgent care. There's no reason to assume Obama's plan would be implemented any differently, except to provide disinformation on McCain's behalf.

The accusation is silly on its surface.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:19 AM
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2. Obama says his health plan won't include undocumented immigrants
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 05:31 AM by Hope And Change
Friday, July 25, 2008

Obama says his health plan won't include undocumented immigrants


Phoenix Business Journal - by Mike Sunnucks

Some liberal and left-wing groups are pushing for possible universal health insurance plans to cover the more than 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S..

But Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign Friday said his universal health plans do not extend to undocumented immigrants.

The Progressive Democrats of America and some Democratic congressional members want to see universal insurance programs, if enacted, to include illegal immigrants.

They want that concept included in the Democratic Party platform for the 2008 elections, and also favor federal legislation for that goal. Obama spokeswoman Sharon Gilson said Friday Obama's health plans would not extend to undocumented migrants in the U.S..

There are an estimated 47 million persons on the U.S. without health insurance. Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born children make up 8.3 million of that uninsured number, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.


Read more here...

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/07/21/daily77.html
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:42 AM
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3. Good debunk.
Please consider posting as an OP in the Propaganda Debunking Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=284
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:49 AM
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4. Lasher, shall I use the same title to my thread?
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:58 AM
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5. Propaganda Debunking Group .... I didn't even know we had that .... thanks .. n/t
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:20 AM
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6. It`s ok.I posted the article in the Propaganda Debunking Group.Thanks!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:47 AM
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8. Sorry I didn't get right back to you.
Internet access went down so I went to bed.

Your contribution in the Propaganda Debunking Group looks great. Thanks!
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:41 AM
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7. Welfare and Medicaid?
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 07:21 AM by nc4bo
Editing to add information:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html - this is from 04. I'll keep digging around to see what fact and what is fiction.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN1346120320070313. Claims it's around 1%.


http://info.dhhs.state.nc.us/olm/manuals/dma/fcm/adm/MA_AL19-03.htm


SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS

Existing enumeration policies in the Medicaid, Food Stamps and Work First programs require all members of the assistance unit to provide their social security number (SSN) or apply for a SSN to be eligible for assistance. (See MA-3355, Enumeration Procedures, in the Family and Children’s Medicaid manual, MA-2450, Enumeration Procedures, in the Aged, Blind, and Disabled Medicaid manual, WF-110, Rule to Apply for a Social Security Number, in the Work First manual and FS-235, Social Security Enumeration, in the Food Stamp manual.) Benefits cannot be provided to a household member who does not provide his/her SSN. Other household members who provide their SSNs receive benefits, if otherwise eligible.

Under Medicaid policy, a household member who is not applying for assistance for him or herself is not considered a “member of the assistance unit” and is not required to provide his or her SSN. For example, a mother who is applying for Medicaid for her children only, cannot be required to provide her SSN.

If an applicant fails to provide a SSN, he cannot be included on the case. However, if he is financially responsible for an assistance unit member his income and resources must be counted when determining eligibility and benefit levels for the case.

A non-assistance unit member who is applying for assistance for another is not required to provide his SSN even if he has financial responsibility for an assistance unit member. For example, an ineligible parent who is applying for his/her eligible children only, cannot be required to provide his/her SSN.

You must inform individuals that SSNs will be used to verify employment/income and for other reasons related to the administration of the programs. Be sure to inform individuals that SSNs will not be shared with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).

Applicants for emergency Medicaid do not have to provide their SSN.




CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION STATUS

A alien who does not meet the specific requirements of a qualified alien is a non-qualified alien and ineligible to receive assistance except for emergency Medicaid. Individuals who chooses not to provide information regarding their citizenship will not be included in the case and will not receive benefits, but other household members who do provide proof of their immigration status can still receive benefits, if otherwise eligible.

Applicants for emergency Medicaid are not required to provide information regarding their citizenship or immigration status.


There are limits on what an illegal alien qualifies for but they do and can qualify for some minimal state benefits these are older sources '03 and '04.

I'm sure there's more out there.

One more and goes indepth about Emergency Medicaid - it's in PDF format found on google and I don't know how to post it here but look for: Immigrant Access to Health Benefits.

I just copied and pasted the search result:

Immigrant Access to Health Benefits
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
every immigrant’s qualifications to receive benefits under PRWORA. ...... income families remain eligible for Medicaid after repeal of the AFDC. program. ...
www.accessproject.org/downloads/Immigrant_Access.pdf

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:32 AM
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9. They already get healthcare for free
They just clog up our emergency rooms doing it and nobody pays the bill.

No not for profit hospital can turn down emergency service to anyone based on the ability to pay.

Also Emergency Service is alot more expensive than preventive care but I digress.
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