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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:48 PM
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Poster over at Kos is saying Obama's Veep is Daschle. Fits Bush picking Cheney
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 07:55 PM by KoKo01
and that OBAMA is the ONE and doesn't really even need a VP Pick to enhance any of his qualities.

Says Daschle would be the one because he's managed Obama's Campaign from beginning and won't "outshine" or distract from his Candidacy.

What do you think? :shrug: (no way in hell for me)...because Daschle is like Harry Reid..."a wimp" and his wife and he are now big time lobbyists on the Hill. But, hey...maybe it could work. He sure fits into the "meek and mild mannered" wimp version of some past Veeps...but WHAT IF...he became another CHENEY!

Here's post on Kos Diary about it:

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/30/10502/7248/367/559001

Veepstakes Cattle Show
by Trapper John
Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 07:50:03 AM PDT

I was going to term this a cattle call, because I love writing cattle calls, but in the end I realized that I had no plans to actually rank the candidates. I'll leave that to you guys, as I know that there's no quadrennial summertime pastime more fun and popular than BSing about who the presidential nominees are planning to tap for Vice-Presidential purgatory. No, instead of ranking the candidates, I wanted to put in writing the reasoning that's led me to conclude that -- when it's said and done -- Barack Obama is very possibly going to select . . .

Tom Daschle.

Now before you throw me off a cliff, let me state two things: 1) this isn't who I want to get the nod -- it's my prediction as to whom Obama will pick, and; 2) I have a minor track record in this sort of thing, as my GOP cattle calls stuck with McCain's chances of winning the nomination long after he was written off by the bigfoot pundits. That said, I recognize that this one is a call from deep left field. But bear with me.

I start from the premise that Barack Obama doesn't need anyone to make his candidacy complete. He's already up in the polls, both nationally and in key states. Intrade has him at a 63% likelihood of winning, and Nate Silver has him at 67%. But more importantly, he knows that he's a bona fide, no-joke rock star. He doesn't need a charismatic running mate. He doesn't need a missing piece, someone who implies that Barack Obama is something other than all that and a bag of chips. Hell, I think he'd run solo, if the Constitution and practicality allowed him to do so. The Obama campaign is all about Barack Obama -- it simply doesn't need that brand altered in any way.

So as a threshold matter, I just don't see Obama going with anyone who has any real downside. He doesn't need to take risks in picking a veep, because he can't expect any individualized reward from a veep. No individual candidate can bring enough to the ticket to justify a trade-off. Consequently, it follows that Obama is going to take the Hippocratic ("first, do no harm") approach to picking a running mate. That eliminates a host of the big names that you see folks floating -- first and foremost, the Senators with Republican governors. Chris Dodd, Jack Reed, and Evan Bayh all hail from states with GOP executives. If one of them becomes VP, we lose a Senate seat. Obama's legacy will in large part depend on being able to overcome filibusters to move his agenda. He can't afford to lose any Senators. And not one of them is so special, so critical to the success of the campaign, that it's worth giving up the seat.

Similarly, I think he's unlikely to pick Tim Kaine, whose lieutenant governor is an arch-conservative Republican. It's taken the Democratic party 40 years to get to the point where it's a majority party in Virginia -- I just can't see willingly handing over the governor's mansion to a Republican, even if it is for only one year. And for what? Kaine's not necessarily that helpful in Virginia, as Silver pointed out yesterday. I mean, Tim Kaine's a great guy and everything, but does any marginal improvement that he adds to Obama's campaign offset the damage of coronating a Republican governor in Richmond? I doubt it.

more at.........
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/30/10502/7248/367/559001
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:48 PM
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1. Not crazy about it but who knows?
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:52 PM
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6. It Would Not Surprise Me
I remember reading an article about a month ago on Obama insiders. He was portrayed as an insider with more power than most are aware of.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:08 PM
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34. Dashle wrote a book awhile back - it was actually pretty good.
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 09:12 PM by dmordue
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:49 PM
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2. I truly hope that is not his choice. n/t
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:50 PM
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3. Ugh, no thanks. Daschle and Biden are both beholden to the credit card industry.
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 07:51 PM by Alexander
And Obama should keep clear of any lobbyists in the #2 spot.

Of course, it goes without saying that picking a Senate Minority Leader who lost his own race just screams "LOSER" like nothing else.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:56 PM
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9. .....
:grr: :hi:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:57 PM
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10. Did you want to add something?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:59 PM
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11. No.
Just brought back memories of the days when you were all over Biden and I wanted to wring your neck.

Never mind.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:01 PM
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13. To be fair, I'd prefer Biden over Daschle.
Although I'd rather Biden receive a Cabinet post and Daschle...well, he can just be Daschle.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:51 PM
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4. Oh Jeez
Fuck that.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:52 PM
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5. Lord Voldemort isn't as evil as Cheney is.
You need to pay more attention.

As far as Daschle..... Not a very strong pick IMHO. Obama needs a pit bull not a puppy.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:53 PM
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7. Anyone Who's Talking Doesn't Know & Those That Do Aren't Talking
:rofl:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:55 PM
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8. I would like to see someone who had more impressive
gifts to bring than "he's managed Obama's campaign from the beginning" and "won't 'outshine' or distract from his Candidacy.

If something were to happen to Obama, don't we want someone a little better equipped to lead the country? :eyes:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:00 PM
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32. I sure don't see Daschle as a strong fighter for the Constitution...but then
maybe we just don't know what he was up against when Bush stole the election. He sure didn't seem to dislike any of Bush's early corrupt appointments...even when Jeffords switching from Repug Party gave him the Majority.

I found him as wimpy as Reid. But, we don't know what he might have done behind the scenes. He couldn't even win re-election, though...so maybe his homefolks knew more about him than we could know or find out. :shrug:
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:59 PM
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12. Just Another Goofy Kos Diary
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 08:08 PM by DarthDem
And this one goofier than most. Yes, let's pick the guy who was Senate Democratic leader when he was ousted by the legendary John Thune - - sure to be remembered, when his storied career is over, as one of history's greats. I'm talking about Thune, and sarcastically. I couldn't pick him out of a police department photo array, which, with a Republican senator, isn't too farfetched a proposition.

Daschle. Sure. All because . . . we want to carry South Dakota's three EVs?
:wtf:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:04 PM
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14. the same post suggest that the author thinks Kathleen Sebelius is probably the front runner
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 08:28 PM by Douglas Carpenter
"I'd say Sebelius has a way better shot (in fact, I doubt that Nunn is really under consideration), and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Obama picks her. After all, she's an Obama loyalist, she's got a Democratic LG, and she's lacking any glaring flaws. In fact, I'd say that she's probably the frontrunner. But the calculus also points toward Daschle -- who's been with Obama since the very start, whose staff comprise the core of Obama's staff, and who is utterly solid, yet unremarkable. He can't hurt Obama, he's got no presidential ambitions of his own, and he's guaranteed to be loyal."


http://trapper-john.dailykos.com/

Given that no out and out liberal or progressive is going to be selected. That is the simple reality of the political cultural of the D.C. beltway elites and the media. Given that anyone selected is going to have some real flaws. Given that anyone selected is going to be a centrist. Given that anyone selected is going to be at least significantly beholden to corporate interest. Given that anyone selected is going to be a hawk. My only litmus test is that whoever is selected will be someone who is significantly less likely than the Republicans to launch America into new imperial wars. So, with that in mind, either Daschle or Sebelius are fine with me. Not fine in the sense that this is what I want or believe in. But fine in the sense that it could be a lot worse.

Besides Tom is a very old and loyal friend of George McGovern, almost like a son to the great old man, and that makes him all right with me. Loyalty is everything in politics.

"That which cannot be changed (for the time being) must be endured."
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:09 PM
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15. They can be as loco as DUers at times.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:15 PM
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16. Maybe...but Daschle is the kind of "quiet, mild mannered power broker" that wouldn't cause Obama
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 08:22 PM by KoKo01
trouble on the trail and might be able to call in a few "chits" on Capitol Hill and with the lobbyists.

He wasn't advising Obama from "ground up" for no reason. There's always "pay back" with politicians. And if something (god forbid) happened with Obama getting ill...who would be next in line? :shrug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:17 PM
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17. Biggest problem that springs to mind immediately is that he was an absolute failure....
2nd biggest problem that springs to mind immediately is that he doesn't bring anything to Obama's table vote-wise.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:24 PM
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21. Daschle was such a failure...I couldn't understand why he built up Obama...
and is his Co-Campaign Chair. I've never figured out any kind of chemistry that could have been between them...and why Obama with his views would even be close enough to Daschle to have him in such an important postition. I know politics makes strange bedfellows...but this one is indeed strange. Maybe we just don't know enough about Daschle to judge...but I'm betting he wants SOMETHING for all his efforts. But what? Veep might be it... but who knows.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:27 PM
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22. Who knows indeed.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:21 PM
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19. Obama choosing a lobbyist as VP would completely destroy his message.
How can he seriously say he's for change and will stand up to lobbyists if he picks one as his VP?

It won't be Daschle. This is either another red herring or someone's wild-ass guess.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:29 PM
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23. Correct, which is why this won't happen
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:31 PM
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26. It seems all the names being tossed out there are not going to be VP.
Nobody's talked about Feingold. Maybe it's him. Who knows? :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:53 PM
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30. yes...and Brian Schweitzer from Montana...but he's not getting any play at all
from those who think they know Obama's "short or long list."
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:24 PM
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35. Schweitzer's support for McCain in 2000 and saying he might support Romney rules him out...
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 09:25 PM by Alexander
That's a lot of ammunition for the McCain campaign if Obama picks Schweitzer.

On top of that, all McCain has to do is pick Romney and we're toast.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:17 PM
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18. Poster over at MistressDestiny.com says it's going to be Barry Sanders
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:23 PM
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20. Christ i hope not.
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Steerpike_Denver Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:29 PM
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24. Bob Graham!
Bob Graham Bob graham Bob Graham!

I've posted about this on a number of Veepstakes threads, but no one has yet given me a good reason Bob Graham wouldn't be the PERFECT choice!

He balances and complements Obama in every way: He's white, he's older, he's Southern, and has Washington as well as international experience Obama lacks. He was a chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations comittee (IIRC), and, as former governor as well as Senator, he is probably the most popular Democrat in Florida. He would absolutely deliver a key battleground state--make that THE key battleground state--and all but cinch Obama's election.

Even though he's about the same age as McCain't, in his case it would be a strength, rather than a weakness. Like Cheney, Graham would be unlikely to want to succeed his president, which would free him from keeping a political eye on the future. It's even quite possible that he would only seek to serve one term as veep, which would give Hillary, or better yet, another Democratic up-and-comer who would want to succeed, a chance to step in for the second term.

Now I ask you, why is Bob Graham not the perfect, obvious choice?
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WyvernBaby Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:30 PM
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25. I think Sebelius will be the one
Being a female with a great track record, who attracts the Southern vote, she seems in my view the perfect fit.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:32 PM
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27. She could help in Ohio as well. Her father was a popular governor there.
I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if he picked Sebelius.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:56 PM
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31. I dunno...that would be a slap in face of those who voted for Hillary and Obama does want unity.
I haven't been impressed with her...but she has many fans on DU. Still think it wouldn't be a good pick because of hard feelings from Clinton camp though. I wasn't a Hillary fan (liked her, but wanted to move on) and I would feel he was kind of slighting the votes she got if he picked a female that wasn't Hillary. So..just saying my opinion...
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:31 PM
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37. The bitter Hillary supporters want nothing less than the nomination or the VP slot.
The PUMA crowd won't go away even if Clinton is the VP. They want her as the nominee, nothing else. They are just a bunch of racists and we shouldn't bother trying to appease them.

Obama is already doing a lot to please Hillary. The roll call of votes will be read and she's going to be the keynote speaker during prime time.

Even that doesn't please some people, and that's a sign to me that the PUMAs demands are simply unreasonable and we shouldn't worry about them.

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:50 PM
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28. No way...Daschle is a loser of the highest order.
:puke:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 08:53 PM
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29. I'm not buying it.
What does he really bring?

And he'd really undercut that change thing, wouldn't he?

I'm just not seeing a big upside to this one.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:02 PM
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33. Daschle is rumored to want HHS cabinet post.
He doesn't want VP.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:28 PM
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36. Politics aside for just a moment on Daschle -- he was for Obama very
very early on and has been a real true-blue supporter right from the start.

I could see him on a list of considerations for veep -- or for Chief of Staff, etc.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 09:35 PM
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38. Won't happen. PUH-LEAZE.
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