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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 02:30 PM
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Joe Klein: McCain's New Ad
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/07/mccains_new_ad.html

McCain's New Ad
Posted by Joe Klein | Comments

This is the sort of thing you put on the air when:

1. You're desperate.
2. Your Middle East policy has been superseded by events and abandoned by your allies.
3. You apparently have nothing substantive to say about America's future role in the region and the world.

If you watched both Obama and McCain on the morning shows today, you saw one candidate who was at ease, confident but not flawless (Obama's answer on the Surge still seems too grudging), and another who was tense and almost entirely negative. There used to be another John McCain--charming, open, unpredictable. I wonder where he went; the McCain who appeared on the air today seemed too much a scold, too little a statesman.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 02:42 PM
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1. I'm liking Joe Klein. n/t
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:07 PM
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5. McCan't
win against Obiwan Obama
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 02:45 PM
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2. Uh, Joe--you chose to see McCain as "charming, open, unpredictable."
Me? Not so much! I never viewed him in this light.

By the way--do you know about the famous photo of him hugging Bush? (Just google "Bush McCain Hug" and then explain, PLEASE!)

McCain sold his soul a long time ago. I'm sorry it's taken you until 2008 to discover this fact!
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 03:37 PM
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3. The John McCain of today is NOT the John McCain of 1998, at least not the public one.
He lost his straight-talking maverick status, as well as any ethics, morals, honesty, character or legitimacy he may have had when he made the choice to abandon all principles and strapped on knee-pads for the boy-king.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 03:53 PM
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4. McCrank, not exactly someone you want to have a beer with, or run the country...
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:15 PM
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6. there is an interesting exchange between Klein and Josh Marshall of TPM on just this issue, April 08
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/205793.php

McCain's new ad, which you can see here, is really beyond disgusting. At this point I think it's clear that honor really doesn't mean much to McCain. When things get tough, as it is in this election campaign, there's no limit to what he'll do.

How's he doing, Joe?

Which links to here:

A couple weeks ago Joe Klein wrote a column in Time, which provided an overview of the coming campaign wrapped around the question of what kind of campaign John McCain will run -- whether he will he run a Bush-Drudge-style knock and sleaze campaign in which opponents are painted as crypto-terrorists and Hollywood-loving-pansies or embrace a "substantive debate."

Though not without doubts said he believes McCain will run an honorable campaign. "I suspect that he will. It's McCain's way. He sees the tawdry ceremonies of politics -- the spin and hucksterism -- as unworthy." If he doesn't "McCain will have to live with the knowledge that in the most important business of his life, he chose expediency over honor. That's probably not the way he wants to be remembered."

Well, the last two weeks haven't been kind to that confidence. As we reported yesterday, McCain is now making clear that he plans to run his campaign on the basis of portraying Barack Obama as a dangerous outsider in league with foreign terrorists. The first topic of choice is the bogus 'Obama endorsed by Hamas' story that McCain has embraced with a vengeance.

So this is basically a question to Joe, who has actually been more critical of McCain on Iraq than many realize. How do you think McCain's doing? Is this the kind of campaign you expected him to run? And when you see him pushing the line that Obama is the candidate of the Muslim terrorists and anti-American marxists, how confident do you feel that you actually know the guy?

and Joe responds here:

Josh wants to me to follow up on the column I wrote a few weeks ago, suggesting that John McCain would run an honorable presidential campaign--and I can only thank him for the reminder because I was thinking about posting yesterday about McCain's cheesy nonsense about Obama being endorsed by Hamas. If McCain wants to go that route, I can suggest another: that John McCain is probably the favorite candidate of Osama bin Laden, just as George W. Bush was Osama's presidential preference.

Why? Because both Bush and McCain have bought Osama's disinformation about Iraq being the central front in the war on terrorism. Of course, bin Laden wants the gullible neocons to take the Iraq bait because Afghanistan really is the central front of the war on terrorism--more precisely the Afghan-Pakistani border areas where the real Al Qaeda lives. The war in Iraq has been a grand strategic gift to Osama, keeping the U.S. military tied down elsewhere and off his tail.


Ron Suskind had a relevant scene in his excellent book The One Percent Doctrine: It's the Friday before election day in 2004 and Osama bin Laden has issued a videotape in which he lambastes President Bush. The top dawgs at the CIA are gathered to analyze the tape. Dep. Director John McLaughlin says, "I wonder who Osama is voting for?" Everyone cracks up because the answer is so obvious.

McCain gives you something to admire and loathe almost every day. He did some terrific things this week on his anti-poverty tour: He gave a lovely tribute to Congressman John Lewis in Selma, he called out Bush's Hurricane Katrina non-performance in New Orleans. (Of course, he also voted against the Katrina relief funds.) The very fact that a Republican would take such a tour is significant--but his willingness to go into the muck on Hamas and Obama's "friendship"--or whatever it is--with the American terrorist Bill Ayres is gutter crap.

So the jury's still out on what kind of campaign McCain runs. I hope my colleagues in the press will call him out everytime he succumbs to sludge tendencies. I certainly plan to do that.
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Paula Sims Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:23 PM
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7. I can't wait until the debats/town halls /whatever
Obama vs McCain. It won't be pretty but it will be fun. Anyone want to guess how long before McCain loses his temper??
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:26 PM
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8. It depends on the questions.
Senator McCain, what is it about puppies that you like so much?

Senator Obama, as a former Muslim extremist, why do you think that abortions should only be mandatory for white families?

If the questions are down the middle and consistent, it's going to be a LONG day for Senator McCain. If he gets softballs and Obama has to spend his time correcting the question before he can answer it, well, we'll see.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:36 PM
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11. LOL
You gotta laugh to keep from cryin, I guess.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 04:28 PM
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9. meet the new McCain, Joe. It's quite possible, and even likely, this was always him .
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 04:30 PM by ErinBerin84
get used to it.


(at least he seems to be have a grasp on how desperate the McCain campaign is now, and for that, I thank him. He's slowly moving past the Denial stage, I think)
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:47 PM
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10. K&R!
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