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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:07 AM
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Does it annoy you that they replay McCain ads for FREE as if they were "news" ALL DAY LONG?
it drives ME batshit

They repeat McCain attack language also...

I heard Todd and others on MSNBC repeat the words "cocky" and "arrogant" over and over...

it's like they were trying to see how many different sentences they could compose using those words...

Do they give them certain words that they are required to use X amount of times in EVERY damn segment? Like sales pitches?

let it sink... that's my gripe of the moment
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:11 AM
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1. It is the script the M$M is given to work with
As long as the media leans right as it has for the last dozen or more years we will have a difficult time getting the message past them.
They all are working from the same talking points or script, changing a few insignificant words to make it seem they are independent agencies.

The American M$M makes Pravda look like armature at propaganda.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:14 AM
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2. "If we had a State Media, could you tell the difference?" Amy Goodman - No Text
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:19 AM
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3. I think it is more that the media needs a horse race and
even before they are out of the gate, Obama is pulling ahead and shaping the story. They need to create the illusion that the people of the nation would love to cling to * policies by being desparate enough to want to elect the man * alpha-maled into embracing his policies wholesale. McCain is a weak candidate and a weak man. The media wants those advertising dollars. It is their life blood. They won't get them if there is a candidate that is identified early as having a landslide victory ahead of him. They are helping McCain create a story to perpetuate divisiveness and the tension needed to drive a big contest story.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:23 AM
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5. And what horse race is the rationale for their deferential coverage of bush?
Sorry... that 'horse race' rationalization is complete BS.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:25 AM
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6. I don't think so. Corporate media organizations want as many of those
campaign donation dollars as they can get. If there is no real race, it is noticed in profits for them. The biggest battle we have on our hands is to once again relegate the media to its job as a watchdog instead of a lapdog.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:34 AM
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10. Then why the deferential coverage for bush?
All the time, no matter if it was an election year or not?

Sorry... ain't buyin it. It must be comforting though. I envy you.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:48 AM
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11. Because * handed them a narrative...
and big bucks from lots of donor cash and other R candidates with big donor. They got a chance to cover a war--try to trot out a John Wayne swaggering on the stage of the world. The only problem was they ended up with a Yosemite Sam constantly shooting himself in the foot. Do you admit you backed the wrong horse when there is none other in sight? No. You preserve the illusion that he's a winner, that down is up and war is peace while you find another way to pull in the bucks. You do what GE did...diversify by becoming war profiteers through getting defense contracts. There are many layers to this and the biggest problem is who controls the donations in political campaigns. Big dollar donors exercise control. Obama's campaign has been a slap in the face to the media because they suddenly were confronted with a whole lot of small people handing donations to a candidate. Now how can we little citizens make them accountable for their receiving of our dollars? This is the real question. How do we make them do their job? And, if they won't, do we continue to give our support to new media forms to get news and to have our issues addressed?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:05 AM
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12. at the State level we still have referendum power
public campaign finance initiatives at the state level have done an end run around the Supreme Court's decision that; campaign donations are "speech."

we do it by making it an "option," with the proviso, that if public funds are used, private, corporate contributions must be forgone.

At the Federal level, where this corrupt symbiosis is threatening the world... well

we have the Dean model and Obama campaign... the DNC's decision to follow this model is an excellent step...

Still, even with an Obama presidency and a Democratic majority... the Executive will still be faced with a corrupt and covertly hostile Legislature.

So... good on you for noticing this...

it's the core issue from which ALL our problems spring

nevertheless... short term profit is NOT the primary motive of the media...

When asked precisely "how does the state control the media?" by a student... Noam Chomsky replied, "The state does NOT control the media. The media is the corporations, and the corporations control the state."

The media isn't so much an organ of the state, as the state, is an agent of the media, e.g., corporations.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:28 AM
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8. It couldn't be that War Profiteers Energy Transnationals Nuclear Power etc OWN the media
:sarcasm:

I'm sure it's just "market forces" working their evil, mindless magic

it's inscrutable... like a Greenspan testimony
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:32 AM
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9. Yes... the free hand of the market! That's why they kiss bushie's ass!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:27 AM
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7. If you watch all the media on any given story
They all say the same thing. The core of the story is the same regardless if the outlet is FAUX, CNN or CBS.
Some are more vicious than others but the intent of the story is the same.

It is much to calculated and coordinated to be just about having a horse race.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:22 AM
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4. That is what McCain is banking on
It worked for the Swiftboaters.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:09 AM
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13. I've sent numerous complaints about that. N/T
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:25 AM
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14. That's what the MSM does election cycle after election cycle. That's
why Obama did the right thing in refusing public financing. That's why it was hypocritical for the M$M to decry that decision. That's why it is important that we give until it hurts to defeat not only the repukes but the M$M also.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:48 AM
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15. Think of it as a 10 BILLION Dollar Campaign Contribution
Advertising for Democratic candidates: $1 MILLION DOLLARS A MINUTE
Advertising for Repiglickin candidates: FREE


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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 11:10 AM
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16. perfectly stated nt
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