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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 02:44 PM Original message |
The Forgotten Man: Howard Dean Made This Happen |
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KingOfLostSouls (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Howard Dean is my hero |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. I was a hardcore Deaniac in 2004 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Aaargh. Dean was NEVER Mayor of Burlington. Big bzzzt. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I did not catch that....no, he was never mayor. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yawn. More revisionist history about Dean the Messiah. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I think it's you who are embracing revisionist history |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. There's no speculation |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. He said the party had gone so far right it made him look like a liberal |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
56. "I'm from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party" |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
71. "and everyone knew what that meant" |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. I repeatedly met people who thought he was a liberal |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
95. It is obvious to me you never saw Dean in person |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Isn't the mention of Wellstone |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I won't be as nice as Depakid |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
50. Thanks..that |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 03:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
60. And yet |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. "Dean distanced himself more from the liberal label" |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 03:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
59. I remember the Dec. '03 Time article where he said he wasn't a liberal |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
77. same specious talking point as MSM spews about Obama re fund raising- |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. You are ignoring that Obama also followed the |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
63. Kerry has a large influence on the Obama campaign. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. He never claimed to be a liberal |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Although Kerry won points introducing Kennedy as the leader of the Democratic wing of the Democratic |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I kinda got the feeling that Dean was more going after the Clintons than Kerry |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I think you are partly right - the Clintons were the obvious leaders of |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #25 |
64. That's another example of that phrase being used as a synonym for liberal. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. He IS a liberal- a MODERATE liberal. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 04:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Is that like being a hot cold? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
82. It's clearly not a contradiction because I already explained the concept. nt |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 03:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
57. "I'm from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party" was Paul Wellstone's line. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 06:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. I'm curious about why you contrast Dean against Wellstone. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Well, Dean was known as a moderate DLC Governor before he |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. What is the DIFFERERENCE between them? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Well |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-26-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Wellstone died before we invaded Iraq. There was no Iraq War. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-26-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Wellstone lived long enough to vote against the Iraq War. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
86. You keep saying "Dean/DLC". Got a link for that? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. It was four years ago. Search the archives. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. So you think moderate = DLC. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. 2002 articles calling him a DLC rising star |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Are you the same guy with the Che avatar who used to whine about Dean during the 2003-04 campaign? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 03:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
58. lol |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. I agree that Dean would have moved to the right after the primary |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Neither of them are about liberal or conservative...more about right and wrong. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 04:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
65. Obama has a liberal career record and professional background |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. , |
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Iwillnevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. One of my most prized possessions |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. Howard IS the man. I love the guy. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. I love Howard |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. I remember the day he made his first announcement of his candidacy |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. "What I want to know"...The speech from 2003 that started it all for us. Video |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
73. Makes me smile every time! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. My Dean sticker is on there for keeps |
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FraDon (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. Bullseye ! |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
18. Karl Rove vs. Howard Dean |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
19. Can you imagine where we'd be now if Terry McAuliffe was still DNC Chair? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. Although it may be Dean's rebuilding of all the state's parties that help Obama win in November, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Could you just let it be? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Though I love the Beatles song of that name, no I won't - any more than you will |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You can not let Dean get credit. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. That is not what the op said |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 04:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
66. Good comparison. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Perhaps neolibral is a better description. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. That's a very ugly label and you'll need to back it up with examples. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Also, I find it ironic that you list Dean |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. Highest kick for Howard. |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
26. Damn straight he did |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
27. Hooray for Dr. Dean! nt |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
32. Dean is probably |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. I have not forgotten Howard Dean (nt) |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. Gore and Dean For 2008 |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 05:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Funny that about that combination |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
39. Great article, babylonsister. Thanks for posting it. Howard Dean is a great chairman. |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. Some lessons I learned from the Dean campaign |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. And the one he repeated over and over: "Energize your base." |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
42. Dean is a visionary. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
43. Amen, Sister! Amen!! |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. Howard Dean democrat for Obama! |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
45. He definitively had an important role in this. As do others. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
46. Not forgotten in the least. Kos among others has been very good at keeping this fact in mind.... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
47. YAY |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
49. Chief of Staff |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. He will never be forgoten by me |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-24-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
52. Dean's a keeper on the National Stage... |
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Kire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
54. now, if only he can make this happen |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
55. I worked hard for Dean & have never forgotten. We Dems owe him a tremendous debt... |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #55 |
76. Obama has said he will continue the 50-state strategy |
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RNdaSilva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
62. Undercover, but not forgotten. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
70. LONG term Deaniac here |
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nradisic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
72. I am a Deaniac.. |
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Upfront (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
74. Dean Bumper Sticker |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
75. I (heart) Howard. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
78. It was the good Doctor who turned me into an activist! |
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RubyDuby in GA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
81. I got off the couch and involved in politics because of Howard Dean! |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
83. Lets win this before we get too excited |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
84. K&R For Dr. Dean, the man who made this possible. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
85. Dr. Dean the man with the 50 state plan, doctors ailing Democrat Party. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
87. KR...The forgotten man who should have been president |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
91. No it wasn't |
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musiclawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-25-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
93. HD will never be forgotten by me; I wrote a song for him |
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