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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:52 AM
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I think the slight drop in the polls for Obama is related to the Republican push for more drilling
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 11:59 AM by Quixote1818
A huge number of people are buying into that crap, perhaps 70%. We should be countering with a national ad campaign that gives the facts on how Bush and McCain are just playing politics and it will take years to get that oil on the market when we should be moving full force toward a Jimmy Carter style energy policy.

My question is, why is Gore doing a better job talking about a Manhattan style push for alternative, renewable fuel sources and Obama has said very little so far? Right now we are losing on this issue and we need to turn it around. We also need to come up with an idea to bring down fuel prices pronto. Perhaps a national ad that points to the speculators roll in high gas prices and how we should put an end to speculation.


This election is going to be decided on the economy and gas prices and Obama needs to jump on this when he gets back.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:58 AM
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1. Shoot, T Boone Pickens is saying "we don't need more drilling".
What else do they need?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:01 PM
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2. That ad is helping but we need to do more.
It comes across to me as a guy trying to line his own pockets in the natural gas industry.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:26 PM
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13. T Boone is trying to line his own pockets AND he's right at the same time
We can't drill ourselves out of this problem. He's 100% correct, but he's going to make sure that getting out of this problem makes him a richer man. A big part of me can't blame a person for that. Even a swiftboatin' son of a bitch.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:29 PM
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14. I agree. nt
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:08 PM
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3. Yeah, That Jimmy Carter energy policy really worked out, didn't it.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:09 PM
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4. It was dismantled by Reagan
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 12:12 PM by Quixote1818
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:14 PM
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5. Jimmy Carter destroyed Democrats and progressive politics
For a generation and maybe forever.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:19 PM
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7. Though if we had followed his plan we would be in great shape right now
There would be no energy crisis and we would be a world leader in renewable energy selling our ideas to the world. Iraq never would have happened either.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:42 PM
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12. I wouldn't recommend Obama name his policy after Jimmy Carter
That would be a disaster nationally. I used Jimmy Carters name here because I know most DUers know his energy policy was the right thing to do long term.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:32 PM
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15. Apparently you have REALLY good weed.
Can I have some too? You GOTTA be higer than fuck to think that.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:35 PM
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18. Sorry I live in the reality based universe.
Something many here don't wish to face. The energy crisis has come as developing nations increase their standard of living. They will not be denied. Developed nations will not reduce theirs. That is a fact. We can't "conserve" our way out of a limited resource. It is just silly.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:17 PM
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6. I think you're absolutely right. And I think the campaign has to send a stronger message
Right after this trip abroad.

The Dems have to get their message out about this.

Of course, the oil men in the White House want more land to drill on. But the oil companies already have hundreds of millions of acres of land that they haven't drilled on. Why do they need more when they aren't drilling now?

Because they simply want to drive up the price of oil. We're being ripped off by oil men - George Bush, Dick Cheney and their friend, John McCain.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:25 PM
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8. Maybe for a way to bring down oil prices faster, the government
should put heavy pressure on them to tap the areas they haven't tapped? Put the Oil Companies on the defensive in the eyes of the public. They keep saying they need more land to drill putting congress on the defensive. We should turn the tables and ask why they won't drill what they already have? And like the Republicans, say it a million times until it's sered into the mind of the public.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:27 PM
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10. Barbara Boxer did it the other day. It's exactly the right plan of attack.
The public needs to understand that the oil companies are not drilling on hundreds of millions of acres they already have.

We're being gouged because they want to gouge us.

The President and McCain should be ashamed for helping the oil companies take even MORE from us.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:33 PM
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11. It's just like the diamond mining companies that only release a small # of diamonds
each year. It's said there are enough diamonds out there, that if they ever pushed up production the price of diamonds would drop like a rock. They would be worth almost nothing.

I don't blame the diamond companies for doing this because you have to keep a diamond as a "precious" stone for it to be profitable. Oil on the other hand is something everyone needs. They are nothing but a bunch of greedy fucking bastards.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:27 PM
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9. Feinstein wrote a really good article on drilling yesterday, but
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:34 PM
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17. Wow, surprised it's coming from
Feinstein and no I didn't see it..thanks.
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World Citizen Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:34 PM
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16. This message is starting to get around, but needs more distribution.
DID YOU KNOW?
Bush's own Department of Energy estimates that if we start the McCain/Bush offshore drilling plan today, we could lower gas prices by 6 cents - but not until the year 2025.
http://tinyurl.com/5f2u8m
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:37 PM
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19. There's a decrease. Surprising. Even Arnold is against off-shore drilling
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