Meet The Press Thread-IT'S WAR!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. This Reminds Me Of The Steeley Dan Song

"Dirty Work"

[Dudley_DUright]

2. At least the first four lines fit to a T (as does the chorus)

Times are hard
You're afraid to pay the fee
So you find yourself somebody
Who can do the job for free

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/steely-dan/dirty-work.html

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Nobody Will Mistake Tad Devine For Doom But He Could Kick Mehlman's Ass

-:)

[bushwakker]

13. Where's Bob Schrum?

Schrummy is great on the talking head shows but I guess he's too busy with other stuff to do 'em?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Shrum Comes Off As Too Dour.... Devine Has A Nice T V Presence..

nt

[blm]

18. Careful. Mehlman is gay.

I'd rather gay men not be called "girly-men" unless they requested it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I Didn't Know He Was Gay....

I said he was a pussy....


When I was a kid a pussy was a weak kid...


There were other names for gays...


I never questioned people's sexuality even as a child only how they carried themselves...


Ken Mehlman is a pussy....

[meg]

31. Do you mean pussy as a kitty cat or

do you mean to use a derogatory term for women while also implying women are weak and foolish?

Sorry for piling on, but words are powerful.

[bo44]

32. pussy as in a boy/man who fails to stand up for himself or others

When I learned that word I had no idea a pussy was an inappropriate term for a girl's/woman's anatomy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Xactly (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Pussy Is A Euphenism For A Vagina Not A Woman...

If someone calls someone a pussy they are usuallfy referring to someone who has lacks the courage of their convictions...

[buycitgo]

42. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....I posted that soon as I heard Kerry

say it

[Gman]

3. GO RUSSERT!!

[speedoo]

33. Go Juan (Williams)... Go CeCe (Connolly)

Gotta hand it to Fox.... they are airing all of the discrepancies of the Swiftliars. The host..Chris Wallace, is doing a very good job. He also aired the "Bush is at his dirty tricks again" ad.

Juan and CeCe are more than holding their own against the scumbag Hume and the lying chickenhawk Kristol.

I particularly hate Hume... he poses as a journalist but he is a right wing partisan scumbag.

[faithnotgreed]

41. hi speedoo - welcome to du

[Cha]

43. What's russert doing?

Thanks!

[Bunny]

5. Ken Mehlman on. Bush campaign chair.

Spewing crap, as per usual. Can't have a double standard re: ads - if Kerry can do it, Bush should be allowed to. Timmy saying that the Pubs are starting in on Kerry, much as they did with McCain - saying Kerry's unstable, wild-eyed, etc. Timmy asks: do you see a pattern here? Mehlman of course denies that they are doing that.

What a piece of shit.

[louis c]

7. What time in Boston?

channel 7

[ikojo]

8. The Republican makes me SICK

I am so sick and tired of them getting away with LIES LIES LIES

Kerry should have fought back sooner than three weeks after the Swifties brought out their ad. They have had three weeks of cable and talk radio messages about his "lack" of service.

WHERE WAS BUSH in the early 1970s?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Where Was Bush

Probaby slumped in a desk with his head buried in a mound of coke ala Tony Montana in Scarface...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Tad Is Ripping That Guy A New,,errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Face

nt

[Bunny]

10. And now here comes Tad Devine, senior Kerry advisor.

The ads are hurting Americans - the ads are the same tactics as they used with McCain. They use a front group to do their dirty work, advance their pack of lies. Because of Chimpys service record, and Cheney's deferral record, they are using these groups to attack Kerry's service record.

Christmas Eve in Cambodia 1968 - Kerry stands by his statement. His memory is of being at the border during that time. Three times in one day he was fired upon behind enemy lines. Devine got a jab in at Chimpy and F-U, saying it was THREE TIMES MORE THAN THEY DID!!

Move On ads - Kerry said they were inappropriate. Weeks later, Bush still refuses to denounce the Swift Boat ads.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. You're Better At This Than Me...

I get too emotional and treat these events as boxing matchs...

[henslee]

14. "There is only one commander in chief who would send our troops

to war with no body armour and that is GW. And if he was on the frontlines, he would have realized it." -- Tad

[henslee]

16. "John Kerry and Edwards are ready to debate... I hope they'll join us"

-- Tad

[Bunny]

17. Debates.

Timmy asking Mehlman if the President will debate Kerry THREE times. Mehlman says the pres is looking forward to debating. Timmy asks again: will the pres debate Kerry THREE times. Mehlman again: the pres is looking forward to debating Kerry. He would not answer the question, and Timmy let him get away with it.

[NightOwwl]

46. EXACTLY what Bush said on Larry King

Larry: Are you going to debate John Kerry?

Bush: I'm looking forward to the debates.

Larry: But have you agreed to the debates?

Bush: I'm looking forward to the debates.

Larry: The White House hasn't accepted the schedule yet. Will they?

Bush: I'm looking forward to the debates.

I've been predicting for weeks he is going to find a way to get out of all of them. Lying coward.

[speedoo]

19. Meanwhile on ABC, O'Neill vs. Podesta.

I was very disappointed in Podesta. He should have creamed O'Neill, but the liar held his own. Almost anyone else would have blown O'Neill away, even me!

[Zynx]

20. I would call O'Neill a liar and a shill right to his face and say that he

doesn't have the courage to tell the truth.

[Karmadillo]

22. Anyone think Devine was way too passive?

Mehlman lied repeatedly, bringing up the bogus $87 billion issue, the cuts in defense, the slashing of the intelligence budget, raising taxes etc. Five minutes with the Daily Howler would show these are all intentional lies by the Bush campaign and they can easily be rebutted. While one expects Russert to let Republican lies pass without a word, Devine should have been all over them because that was precisely the issue of the week: Bush supporters are smearing Kerry. Pointing out the other lies shows the pattern. It's unrealistic to expect the average voter to search the internet for the truth. The Kerry campaign has to be more aggresive in rebutting this crap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Bob Somerby Makes All These Great Points In The Comfort Of Cyberspace....

It's harder to make your points on live television...


He needs to get over himself...


Tad Devine kicked ass....

[Karmadillo]

25. Points made in the comfort of cyberspace that can be easily

reproduced on national television should be reproduced, especially when they debunk the lies on which the Republicans are basing their campaign. Maybe the Kerry campaign is holding their fire for the debates, but Al Gore demonstrated the lack of wisdom in letting a series of lies go undebunked. And, to be honest, I don't think the average voter would think Devine kicked ass. He was OK, but could have been much better.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. He Was On The Offense The Whole Show....

If you took an unbiaed person who wasn't partial to either side they would say he kicked Mehlman's ass...

[VolcanoJen]

29. In one sense, yes...

... I feel strongly that Devine should have challenged Mehlman to get the President to specifically denounce the Swift Boat ads. Devine should have pushed harder when Mehlman danced around the Swift Boat issue by employing the "blame 'em all!" strategy, which is currently working quite well for Bush.

Also, I wish Devine had jumped in when Mehlman refused to specifically agree to three debates with Kerry.

[Karmadillo]

30. Bill Clinton on how to respond to lies

This is from Dowd's piece on how the Bush campaign uses third party assassins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/opinion/22dowd.html

Bill Clinton implied two weeks ago that Mr. Kerry was acting sluggish. "Whenever they hit me, I hit 'em back," he told Jon Stewart. "And whenever they came up with a charge I didn't believe was true, I answered back."

[Claire Beth]

35. True, BUT the big difference is that....

Bill Clinton was president at the time and could have at least SOME control on the media getting his responses and rebuttals out. Unfortunately, the media is kissing Dumbya's arse and NOT giving the dem's as many sound bites and interviews to respond. It's all this (pfffft) LIBERAL MEDIA thing, ya know?

[Karmadillo]

37. While easier to do as President, Clinton also did it as a candidate.

The Republican game lan of lying and lying until it works is hardly a secret. Clinton ran in 1992 knowing he would have to effectively confront Republican lies before repetition transformed them into "truth".

http://villagenews.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$12194

Though far more technologically advanced, Mr. Bush's war room was built in the mold of Bill Clinton's pioneering effort in 1992, which combined campaign research and communications staff members to collect and disburse information to the news media, which are crucial in shaping perceptions and candidates, as quickly as possible.

That operation was rooted in defense, born of the Democrats' vows to never again allow Republican attacks to go unanswered the way they believed they did during the 1988 race between Michael S. Dukakis and George Bush.

[Claire Beth]

40. There is ONE thing for sure....

these people will stop at NOTHING to see that the dem's do not have success. And the liberal (pfffft) media plays right to in to their hands. Pisses me off BIG TIME. Makes me more determined that ever to get Kerry elected. I hope others are as determined as I am.

[ikojo]

47. I believe the Big Dog was referring to 1992 whne Georg

Bush the First went after him, not in 1996 when he ran against the sacrificial lamb, Bob Dole.

I wonder how big a part class dynamics plays in Kerry's failure to attack Bush immediately following the Swift Boat ads. Are working class people more willing and able to fight back immediately upon being attacked? Is it considered impolite and improper to fight back among the prep school crowd that Kerry comes from?

[cindyw]

39. Yes, I wanted Devine to say, "The reason you didn't hear us talk about

those things at the Democratic National Convention is that they aren't true."

It also bothered me that the repub got away with the lie that Kerry supported the invasion. My hope is that Kerry is reserving the best argument for the debates. That being that the resolution required Bush to prove certain things before he invaded. It required hoops. Bush then filed a letter to the congress when he invaded stating that those conditions existed and he was lying. Read this and tell me that these are not provable lies. Imagine Kerry whipping this out at the debate.

"Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate











March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH "

Is it me or is this alone proof that Bush was linking Iraq and September 11th. As to number one, Kerry could make an argument that # one was not true either, while maintaining his consistency on Authority being given. Basically the argument that Bush was given the authority along with a need to prove certain things and he lied to skip the process and go straight to war.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. George Allen Just Said The Pukes Would Extend Their Senate Majority

To 54...


Corzine said he'd like to bet on that for charity and Allen agreed...



Corzine should have said $1,000,000.00 and Allen would have crapped himself....

[terrya]

27. I was getting sick of the idiotic football metaphors Allen kept using.

A 54 majority for the Republicans? Dream on....

I noticed Allen washed his hands of the Keyes candidacy, BTW. He just conceded the race. :-)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Corzine Should Have Said Put Up $1,000,000.00

With the money he earned at Goldman-Sachs he could afford it and he ain't (sic) going to lose anyway

[Hamlette]

34. First good MTP in ages

Russert hammered the not-so-Swifties and Devine was great.

I'm beginning to think maybe Kerry was right to let this fester for 2-3 weeks and let them hang themselves. It makes it appear as though Kerry didn't want to get sidetracked and was trying to stay on the high road but because the media were giving the Swifties so much time he had to respond and prove them wrong and Bush "behind" it.

It was great that Tim made the connection to McCain. Someone needs to take the next step and add Max Clelland to the equation and say: "what is it about Republicans and Democratic Vietnam war heros? It appears as though the Republicans believe Democrats cannot ever be seen as war heros. I've never seen the Democrats question Republican war heros."

[kentuck]

36. Both Russert and Matthews works for NBC....

If they are both on the same page, this could spell trouble for Bush.

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