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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:00 PM
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Can We Not Take a Page from Obama’s Playbook?: “Dissent does not make one un-Patriotic"...
...Or Un-Democratic.

Until today, I’ve watched from the sidelines the post-primary debate in DU over what constitutes “constructive dissent from” versus “disloyal attacks on” our presumptive nominee.

Part of my reluctance to engage is a vestige of my own divided loyalties. I worked hard to elect Bill Clinton in the 1990s and admired HRC’s accomplishments as First Lady and later as a U.S. Senator. I decided months before the first primaries to work for John Edwards and only voted for Obama after Edwards withdrew. My initial cautious support for Obama’s candidacy has since grown into an abiding commitment to elect him President, but that commitment never tempted me to participate in the fratricidal melees that often dominated GD-Primaries.

My reluctance to weigh in post-primary stems from an even deeper ambivalence. As a lifelong Democrat, I know too well that Party disunity has too often presaged defeat. And, to be blunt, defeat in this election is not an option. And yet -- and yet -- I hope I speak for many here in stating that I am a Democrat because I believe democracy works best in a public sphere where no policy position is uncritically accepted, where a disconnect between policy and principles is never condoned for political expediency, and where no politician – however preternatural his or her potential – engenders loyalty that blinds us to their personal failings, political missteps and policy obfuscations.

And so it was only after hearing today Obama’s speech on patriotism that I feel compelled to take a page from his playbook and suggest that dissent and Democratic solidarity – like patriotism -- are not mutually exclusive. Obama lauded Mark Twain’s definition of patriotism: “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” Can we not take this to heart by recognizing that Democratic solidarity is supporting our candidate all the time and his policy positions when they deserve it? (And further acknowledge that DU exists for the very purpose of debating which positions deserve our support.)

My point is that dissent is not the issue; what matters is the intent of that dissent. We are all familiar with destructive dissent. Whether expressed as righteous outrage or disingenuous concern, its intent is to question Obama’s electability and/or credibility, either by conflating complicated issues into false dichotomies or by inflating gaffes and missteps into fatal character flaws. And while I personally would oppose censoring even this form of dissent in DU, I would hope that most of us could agree that it is best left to those opposed to a Democratic victory in November.

But the dissent I have seen more often here stems not from antipathy but from a sense of almost unprecedented expectation. It is because Obama has galvanized the progressive left, because he has promised a new form of politics that we now measure his actions against our principles and cry foul when we fear the twain may not meet. And we not only have the right as loyal Democrats but the responsibility to do so -- if only to provide a progressive counter to overly pragmatic voices who prod Obama to adopt expedient positions that appear electorally “safe,” but which may in fact undermine the platform of genuine change the vast majority of Americans are clamoring for. And I would further argue that constructive Democratic dissent – like patriotic dissent – in no way calls into question or diminishes our support for Obama. It instead exhorts him to perfect and realize his potential as the future POTUS.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:06 PM
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1. you put "Disloyal attacks on" in quotes.... link please - NT
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:28 PM
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3. Assuming your query is genuine...
The quotations marks don't indicate quotes; they merely highlight the polarized "either/or" positions on the issue of dissent that I hope we can move beyond.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:46 PM
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4. I've read the text of these noble dissenters on DU at length and repeatedly
in response, there have been no "love it or leave it" level of allegations of disloyalty

the "dissent" itself... if you read ALL of them... full text... are full of exaggerated claims... primary battle rehashing... GOP talking points... hyperbole and outright misrepresentations.

The preponderance of these posters are former supporters of a different candidate than the presumptive nominee... (or so they claim).

Their motives are questionable... their intent is not constructive...

and your post is imbalanced, despite your pretense to objectivity.

I genuinely asked that question, AND it was rhetorical.

It misrepresents the position of those that find continued infighting destructive, and damaging to our hopes in November... by continuing the primary fight by proxy on an issue by issue basis... until the Convention in August.

It is an historical fact that this will hurt us.

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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 08:24 PM
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5. Some questions for you....
1) How was my post "imbalanced"? For whom?
2) In what way am I "pretending" objectivity? Any OP IS subjective, and it reflects only my view.
3) If infighting is by definition "destructive" and "damaging to our hopes in November," how do you reconcile this view with Obama's argument today that dissent is not only a fundamental right but essential to democratic reform? Do you mean to suggest that we should instead follow some version of "democratic centralism"?
4) Which "historical facts" are you referring to?

These questions are also genuine, particularly the last. (disclosure: I am an historian and have quite a different take on the historical record.)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 12:40 AM
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10. I see there is no response, yet. I thought the questions were fair and honest . and
Edited on Tue Jul-01-08 12:40 AM by John Q. Citizen
I was looking forward to the replies.

Perhaps in the morning?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:19 PM
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2. But of course.
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 09:21 PM
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6. Short and sweet -- Thanks /nt
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 09:42 PM
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7. happy to kick this up.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:20 PM
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8. thanks K&R
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 12:25 AM
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9. K'd and R'd ... nt
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 08:54 PM
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11. Well said.
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