Can we at least try to get Obama into the Oval Office before we rip him apart?

[Guava Jelly]

He isn't a perfect candidate.(I don't believe one exist honestly)
But he is what we have.
Our job is to take the white house and then fight to keep him honest.
I want to be angry with my own party. I want to bitch about what he is or isn't doing right or wrong.
At least we can hold his feet to the fire,at least our party will listen..At least a little.
Try talking to McCain and that crowd.
I am on vacation so I am posting and running,I just wanted to throw in my two euros ;)
Peace and victory in 08!

[FrenchieCat]

1. Don't worry, be happy.

THe shit will hit the fan one way or another.

This wasn't meant to be easy, and it certainly won't.

As soon as we can get enough folks who actually realize what a McCain Presidency will mean,
the better off we will be.

like in 2000 and 2004, some of the progressives have found a way to make things difficult, and so they will be.

Our candidate will encounter many difficulties based on many things; the fact that he is Black; the fact that he is young (a baby compared to McCain); the fact that the media will fight him every step of the way, distorting every move him takes, every decision he makes; jump on his wife as well.... and the most important fact that current events will continue to happen.

OBama never said it would be easy, and by God, he was right.

I only pray that he can pull it off, consider all that is pulling at him.

And so, we shall see.

[old mark]

2. MSN reports today -people in Ohio think Obama is

a possibly gay muslim extremist born in Africa.
We need to be a little more supportive if the guy if we don't want to lose yet another election to yet another Republican jerk.

Vote for Obama, support his campaign, do what it takes to get Democrats elected this year.

mark

[Kahuna]

3. There is a reason why Democrats rarely win the presidency. A lot of

people need to look in the mirror when they wonder why.

[truthisfreedom]

4. That would be nice, actually.

I'd personally appreciate it.

[barack the house]

5. Totally agree attacking him now is defeating ourselves. Obama is not a senate leader most likely...

never will be.

[loyalkydem]

6. But the problem

as I see it is this. I believe those who are attacking Obama are undercover Republicans trying to get us to fight each other so they can sit back and laugh. We can't let them have power over us.

[blondeatlast]

8. There's an element of that, no doubt--and from here on in, I

choose ot pass them by. I don't need an "ignore" function to ignore them (and that way, I can still alert on those that can't control theemselves).

[nc4bo]

7. I'm right there with you OP. n/t

[Barack_America]

9. No. The only thing more loathesome than GOP rule are Dems who won't do our bidding.

:sarcasm:

[blondeatlast]

11. "Would you like Obama or Bush III on your FISA?"

"I'll take Obama with a side of SCOTUS and can I get a decent Justice Department with that?"

[Barack_America]

12. That sounds good, and please hold the BombIran...

All of those UnecessaryMiddleEastConflict dishes repeat on me.

;)

[zulchzulu]

10. I'm giving Barack four years (at least)...

Let's fight hard to get him in. That's not the end of it. We need to keep fighting for what we need AFTER that too.

[madfloridian]

13. Don't worry. I have been hushed on FISA. Iran is next...will we care?

I said I won't post anything critical of Democrats....so we can all be happy campers.

[bunnies]

14. awww jeezus.

Im beginning to think I liked DU better during the primaries. I'll take aggressive over passive-aggressive any day.

[blondeatlast]

15. Gosh, it must be awful that the vast majority of DU doesn't share your obsessions.

What a pity...

[madfloridian]

16. No, it is scary that a forum has been silenced in fear of attacks.

But if that is what is wanted...hey, I can hush.

[blondeatlast]

17. Whatever you say. nt

[madfloridian]

19. Silence is golden.

.

[PurityOfEssence]

21. Binary thinking kills

Many of us have serious personal, policy and electability problems with Mr. Obama, but have bit our various tongues out of collective amity. Nonetheless, sitting by while serious blunders are made is not healthy, nor is croaking merrily along with the other blissful frogs as the water slowly warms.

Retaliatory draconian vengeance that's been wreaked on the philistines who don't share the ecstatic view of he who is infallible is just plain depressing. Many of us who've considered this place home for seven years don't feel much joy around these parts of late.

To attempt to influence the standard bearer away from certain policies isn't necessarily some kind of fifth-column apostasy; some of it's out of a desire for what's morally good, and some of it's nothing more than unemotional tactical sense. This guy's going to be slagged for being inconsistent and opportunistic, so the more he "adjusts" his stances on issues or talks around them, the more trouble he's going to be in. Those who can't see this need some sensory therapy.

To me, it goes back to the faddish, belief-based nature of this candidacy from the beginning: many of the extremists of the group seem to think that shouting loud enough and IGNORING anything contrary to their skewed and narrow worldview will make it so. What makes these people any better than neocons who think that they can "create their own reality" and sneer at those who don't buy into the collective assumption?

Pluralism is the great strength of the left, and although it often creates cacophony, it also brings important issues to the surface.

The Commissars of Groupthink who hoist their rage and strut their dudgeon so righteously on this board of late have done us a great disservice: the tenor of the place has changed, and it's neither pleasant nor healthy. Binary-thinking self-appointed party whips need to take the rest of the world off of ignore and stop the mutual-admiration transmission for a bit to hear what's actually going on outside of the glorious echo-chamber of personal virtue.

With a mere glance at the polls, this election is VERY losable, and after the idiocy of the monarchists over the last few years, that's PATHETIC. Since so much of this "movement" is wrapped up in the assumptions and projections of this one person's character, that needs to be addressed in a major way. Not all corrections or suggestions are borne out of racism, bitterness or conservative subversion, and shouting down those few who can manage to get through the layered ramparts of "ignore" and dismissal-tagging should be listened to a bit.

So many of the old voices here are stilled, and that does not bode well.

Dammit.

[PurityOfEssence]

18. We still owe it to ourselves to uphold some principles

Yes, winning is crucial, but if he sticks with the pattern he's been so dizzyingly successful with, he may promise all sorts of things to get elected, then lose a lot of goodwill by going back on those promises.

There are valid differences of opinion about just what should be thrown overboard to win the hallowed prize, and demanding blind obedience is not only anti-democratic, it's nonsensical in many instances. Much of this doesn't surprize me because I never thought of him as anything but an ultramoderate. I'm choking back my distaste and behaving myself, but I see no great triumph if he sucks up to the concept of a police state, gives Israel a blank check, invites religion more into the political sphere, enables credit card companies and does many other appeasing or downright non-liberal things to attain power. Yes, he's still much better than McCain, but if he sells us down the river and says grotesquely contradictory things in the process, he can easily do us great harm by feeding the fire of reactionary rhetoric by being inconsistent.

He's gotten away with being all things to all people for quite some time, but he's going to get caught. It's our job to make sure he minimizes the ammunition they'll have against him, and it's our duty to make sure he doesn't give away things that aren't necessary to secure a victory.

While I truly believe that he has a dicey chance of being elected, I still don't think he has to run away from pluralist ideals to curry favor.

Harry Truman said it best:

"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time."

[demokatgurrl]

20. What PurityOfEssence says.

:thumbsup:
Well said.

[greguganus]

22. Good post! n/t