PREDICTION: This Tax Scandal Will Ruin McCain

[berni_mccoy]

It's going to be all over the MSM come tomorrow.

There is simply no excuse for a U.S. Senator to FAIL to pay his property taxes for FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS, into such a default that the state is prepared to reclaim it in order to cover the costs.

McCain will not make it through the GOP Convention.

Ron Paul has his opening for a coup.

Link to story: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6424074

[anonymous171]

1. I bet it gets no play. The MSM loves McCain. nt

[VADem11]

4. Sadly, I agree

The MSM needs to have a close election and they love McCain. If this were Obama, the press would be ripping into him as an "elitist".

[babylonsister]

5. You're right, unless McSame gets lots of pressure. The m$m has no

recourse, and he's an idiot. But who is left? The rethugs have no one.

[elocs]

6. I would tend to believe you are much more right than the OP's prediction.

I just don't see it happening.

[blondeatlast]

16. Yep, and he's absolutely the best the Republicans had. They had a weak field

but they will still turn out in droves to vote against the Democrats, count on that.

[musicblind]

27. Sadly, I also agree with you anonymous.

I am a very fair person, and have NOT bashed McCain if I thought he wasn't wrong. But this deserves to get some play on the main stream media. It would be blatant bias if it didn't. Sadly... we know how the media is. Very biased. :(

[briv1016]

34. Someone call Jon Stewart

Hopefully if he reports it the M$M will be pickup the story.

[City Lights]

53. They loves mccain sucking up to them. He makes them feel like they're

somebodies, and bribes them into silence with good BBQ at his (or is it Cindy's?) Sedona ranch. I wonder if his taxes are up to date there.

edited for clarity

[Occam Bandage]

2. Prediction: It won't.

[Seabiscuit]

3. Is this a Ron Paul thread? On DU?

[berni_mccoy]

8. Ron Paul stands a chance at dividing the GOP Vote.

[Seabiscuit]

13. Really? I thought that was Bob Barr's role.

[Occam Bandage]

17. I agree, in that he may peel off a GOP vote.

In the singular.

[Hawkeye-X]

Um. Linky to the scandal? I just got home from the casino

Finished 7th out of 41 on a poker tournament, 3 out of the money, damn.

Hawkeye-X

[berni_mccoy]

10. Updated.

[FrenchieCat]

7. It will, if we work at it!

but it won't just by hoping.

[whistle]

9. How much is the tax bill anyway? Four years worth of what $8k-$10k

...a dribble and a piddle in Cindy's bidet

[berni_mccoy]

11. But it's a lot of money to the white working class families who pay their taxes.

[whistle]

20. Of course, but the McCain's could cough it up and sweep the bad PR

...into a dark corner until after the election, hush hush and on the QT

The wealthy do that you know

[City Lights]

55. Which makes it worse that they haven't bothered to pay it.

They've got money for everything else, but not for what they owe the state of CA.

[Dawgs]

65. Nice try, but NOT paying any amount of taxes does not look good for ANY presidential candidate.

I can't believe that so many don't see the opportunity here.

[mucifer]

12. We had a great mayor in Chicago Harold Washington our first black mayor

he got elected with the exact same scandal.

[senseandsensibility]

14. No one will touch it

Our only hope is to forward it to Keith. He will cover it, but everyone else will ingnore it.

[senseandsensibility]

15. delete

kick

[mucifer]

19. yup they didn't cover his domestic violence joke.

If Obama made a joke about beating his wife it would be on tv 24/7

[thewiseguy]

18. I am hearing they never got those mails

[MattP]

21. He is so loved by the media it makes me sick.

If he can flip-flop on the GI bill and no-one calls him on it he can pretty much do anything short of a live murder on tv and even that they would call justified and allow him to get away with maybe.

[bluestateguy]

22. Counterprediction: It appears on Page B6 of a few small newspapers and then goes away in one day

Financial scandals are usually to boring to hold the attention of the media or the people. I know there are exceptions, but I just don't see it here.

[Gabi Hayes]

31. here's an exception: Al Franken

he had some problems with state taxes at various performance venues

another poster said a five point drop in the polls was directly related to that 'accounting error,' which was derided by the oppo. dunno the facts, but it makes sense that he relied on his accountant (who must've been very incompetent) to, gee, take care of things like keep track of all the places he earned money, and should have paid them

he's now getting it for writing nasty stuff in the past, and that appears to be more of a problem than the tax thing

meanwhile big tooth Norm has some sleazy housing arrangement in the DC area, and I don't know what sort of coverage it's getting in MN. my guess is it'll get more of a fair hearing there than if it were a national coverage issue, as the pres race is. local media usually does a better job of covering stories inimical to pugs, just because the local focus makes a story like that harder to 'disappear' than one that happens on the national landscape

[ruggerson]

23. the problem is the city was apparently sending the bills to the wrong address

they were coming back return mail.

[musicblind]

28. I hate to ask because I feel like it sometimes implies the person asks thinks you are lying and

I don't think you are lying. But do you have a link for that? That would make a big difference. If the bills went to the wrong house. True, you still have to pay your taxes, but it sheds some light on what may have gone wrong.

[highplainsdem]

29. Link:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/output/print

[musicblind]

33. Thank you for the link and the fast reply.

It was very helpful. :)

[PM7nj]

30. "Under the law, the property owner is responsible for keeping the address current...

...We're only as good as the information we are given."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/output/print

[berni_mccoy]

54. Funny, in NH, YOU are responsible for paying your tax bill regardless of receiving it.

Taxes happen whether or not you get the bill. If you don't get a bill, you call the town and ask.

[ruggerson]

57. Of course they're responsible for it

but I don't think this story will have legs because they can claim they never received the bills and when it was brought to their attention, they paid them.

[singilarpoint]

24. I looked

I just checked the cnn/cbsnews/and msnbc Web sites. Not a peep. You know the MSM and McCain are working in conjunction to figure out how to spin this. I was just wondering. Had this been Clinton or Obama would the MSM have reported it yet? Nah' couldn't be.

[high density]

25. Nah, right from the start...

Newsweek is blaming Cindy McCain for the problem.

[qazplm]

26. written off as just a mistake

a minor embarrassment. McCain will make a joke about it, the press corps will laugh, and you wont hear about it again.

[Gabi Hayes]

32. maybe he can get a HUGE laugh by saying she forgot because of all

the beatings, which have, since, ceased

they love their McCain stories, don't they?

he's a real man!

[populistdriven]

41. yep, from the newsweek story

. County records show the bills, which were mailed to a Phoenix address associated with Mrs. McCain's trust, were returned by the post office.

[pa28]

35. Prediction noted but I think you are wrong.

Reminds me of some relatives who predicted the Enron and Bush connection would lead to a huge scandal and his eventual impeachment. They were not counting on the fact the MSM will work overtime to explain away Republican scandals and then punch their time cards on the issue within three days.

McCain will will pay the taxes. Make a McLame excuse and editors will take it off rotation. Shelf life of three days.

[BadGimp]

36. your prediction will NOT come to pass

my bet is on the table

[davidpdx]

37. I also don't think this will be made into a big deal

If anything sinks McCain it will be either his lackluster polling or his health. How long can a 72 year old go out and campaign like a 50 year old? It's just a matter of time before he makes himself look worse the Bob Dole. At least he could do some Viagra commercials right?

[bridgit]

38. pft, dude, McCain tax scandal!? It is now up to Obama to cut his very own deals...

with the special interest oligarchs of this nation and world beyond get ready!!

[Political Heretic]

39. It should, but its six to one and pick em whether the media will get on it.

If its a black minister that sounds angry, then of course they are all over it. But failing to pay taxes? Bah.

[truthisfreedom]

40. NEWSWEEK, people!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/

[City Lights]

56. Excellent!

:thumbsup:

[Hope And Change]

42. K & R!

[Eurobabe]

43. Convenient way to dump the loser, who will they run next?

Many said McLame would NOT be the eventual nominee. Health or other reasons would sink him.

[DFW]

44. He'll pay his back taxes and the MSM will treat it as a non-event.

If Obama were 45¢ short on his property tax, it would rate a 5 inch banner
headline in the Wall Street Journal and be on Fox Noise 24/7, but as it
is McCain, he could stab a relative to death with a rusty Bowie knife on
live television, and not have to worry about harsh commentary except on the
editorial page of the Boston Globe and a few blogs.

Let McCain make a fool of himself talking (or trying to) on TV a few times,
and he'll do himself far more damage than getting caught for tax evasion. Don't
forget--Republicans hate taxes to begin with. In their eyes, this only makes him
a hero.

[Vinca]

45. Wonder what else they've "forgotten?" You've got to love the rich.

The little bills get lost in the junk mail.

[GeorgeGist]

46. An inquiring mind cannot ruin ...

a ruined mind.

[Crabby Appleton]

47. Prediction - won't make the slightest difference whatsoever, nt

[Arthurtheking]

48. Because it's only a $7,000 debt, I doubt it will resonate

Maybe if it had been many thousands.

[mwb970]

49. I doubt that we'll hear about it anywhere but here.

The MSM will not report anything negative about mccain, period. The righties tell us the media are "in the tank" for Obama, which I guess is why they ran Rev. Wright absolutely non-stop for a week.

This one goes down the Memory Hole with all the rest, sorry.

PS. After eight years of "This will bring bush down" threads, are we really going to say the same thing every time we learn something new about mccain?

[Danascot]

50. Pukes get a pass

on any infraction or crime up to and including war crimes. Did you forget?

[tblue37]

51. IOKIYAR. n/t

[starroute]

52. It needs to go in the out-of-touch-ness file

I don't think playing it as a financial scandal will work -- but adding it in with not pumping his own gas and not knowing how to use a computer might.

The idea that McCain is so rich and so insulated that he isn't even *aware* of the things ordinary Americans struggle with, like paying their taxes or their fuel bills, is one that could easily take hold.

What would really be sweet -- though I don't expect it -- would be if someone could get a chance to ask him, in the sweetest possible manner, whether he struggles with housing costs like so many Americans and what he's doing to keep down the expenses on his seven homes.


On edit: I can see a regular comedy routine being developed:

"McCain is so out of touch ..."

"How out of touch is he?"

"He's so out of touch that (insert joke of your choice)."

(Audience laughter)

[Phred42]

58. Does Ron Paul Beleive in taxes? A Libertarian FOR Taxes?

I didn't think he did.

Paul will probably applaud insane Mccain for this

[unblock]

59. unfortunately, rules and laws are for democrats, not republicans.

when it comes to presidential politics, democrats must be geniuses, ordinary guys, successful businessmen, fresh outsiders, highly experienced insiders, honest to a fault, not naive, committed to an ideology (but not liberalism or socialism), pragmatic, capable of reaching across the aisle, strong in their convictions, not flip-floppy, and scandal-free with an extended family that's also scandal-free in every respect. heck, even their preachers must be non-controversial.

republicans, on the other hand, need to have an "(r)" after their name.

[Phred42]

63. not for Pelosi, DLC or BlueDogs either

[malik flavors]

60. I don't know how damaging it will be. None of the major political sites are mentioning it yet.

Only the liberal blogs are talking about it. Maybe they're just waiting for the story to actually be published, but i'm curious why they aren't picking up on this if they know it's going to run tomorrow.

[otohara]

61. Was It On Meet The Press or Stephanopolis or

Bob's show on NBC?

I missed some of these shows, but I didn't hear word one on the tax-gate.

[Gabi Hayes]

66. not on the ABC roundtable...I saw that whole segment

Chuck Todd or Brokaw mentioning it?

[Born_A_Truman]

62. $1750 a year = $175K selling price

Pretty cheap for an ocean-front condo in La Jolla, unless it was purchased many, many years ago.

Our property tax bills (San Bernardino Count) have a "Forwarding Service Requested" stamped on the envelope.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

68. Aren't property taxes based on current value?

Hard to believe an oceanfront condo in SD would be going for that low.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

64. No effin' way. It will sink like a rock.

Just read the Newsweek piece. They rushed to Cindy's defense, basically saying that when you have as many responsibilities as she does, forgetting to pay your taxes can be easy. Of course, the drugs probably screw up your priorities too, but they left that part out. Imagine my surprise!

As the saying goes, this story has no legs. The MSM has already chalked it up to an "honest mistake," and they are praising John & Cindy for the fact that they are "making things right."

By the end of this week, the story will be gone without a trace.

[geek_sabre]

67. sorry, this story has no legs because there's no story

The McCains keep their finances separate. They file taxes separately. The property was paid for through a trust, that didn't follow up properly. Its not like Cindy or her aunt were throwing the notices in the garbage. I highly doubt it was intentional, and bringing this up just gives the rethugs an excuse to attack Michelle. Aren't spouses off the table?

[L0oniX]

69. Hope is a good thing ...

"I ‘Don’t See How It Matters’ That I Don’t Know The Price Of Gas" --John McCain

"I disagree with what the majority of the American people want." --John McCain

[skids]

70. "Short Change McCain" has a nice ring to it n/t

[TheDonkey]

71. one could only hope

[Coexist]

72. FOUR years! Thats a lot of late notices.

[Shine]

73. I doubt it, but it would be an interesting turn of affairs

Sadly, I don't think most Americans are really paying that much attention. :(

[Phx_Dem]

74. Especially when you

have the money! What was it that Michelle said back in January, "if you can't manage your own house, then you certainly can't manage the White House." :toast:

[NorthCarolina]

75. Taxes are for the little people

:yoiks:

[WhiteTara]

76. the tax sale is coming up. Maybe

we should all bid on his property! Make him work to keep it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

77. I disagree. It'll make him a hero to the so-called Libertarians and the Grover Norquists

of the world! Sadly, not only will the M$M ignore the story, they will pooh-pooh it as they have done with all of the McSame controversies. There is a long, long list of McSame gaffes and corruption that have been deliberately ignored by the media. We have to rely on the alternative media to push these stories and hope that they'll get some traction.

I find it odd that McSame and Grover are now "friends," when they once hated each other. But that's how the Pukes do. Unlike us Dems, they walk in lockstep and ensure that one of their own gets into office no matter how much they disagree with him on principle.